| Offside Flagging. 20:29 - Mar 10 with 1481 views | STID2017 |
I understand the rule that the officials are waiting to see if the attacking side have gained an advantage before signalling, but it is frustrating for players and fans alike.
If it is adjudged to be offside I would prefer it was just given.
The time saved from not giving it when no advantage gained by the attacking side seems to be balanced out by the time wasted when play has to be called back surely ? |  |
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| Offside Flagging. on 20:58 - Mar 10 with 1237 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Time saved has nothing to do with it, it’s not a time saving exercise.
It’s to allow the attacking team a chance to continue their move without the offside player taking part in the attack. |  |
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| Offside Flagging. on 21:06 - Mar 10 with 1236 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 20:58 - Mar 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
Time saved has nothing to do with it, it’s not a time saving exercise.
It’s to allow the attacking team a chance to continue their move without the offside player taking part in the attack. |
Never seems to work out that way.
I don't just mean in our case, but for opposition and other games I watch.
Si frustrating and personally I think it is a change which has benefited nobody | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 21:33 - Mar 10 with 1217 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 21:06 - Mar 10 by STID2017 |
Never seems to work out that way.
I don't just mean in our case, but for opposition and other games I watch.
Si frustrating and personally I think it is a change which has benefited nobody |
It’s benefited the teams that are attacking with a player in an offside position that is not interfering with play.
It was intolerable before. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 21:40 - Mar 10 with 1204 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 21:33 - Mar 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s benefited the teams that are attacking with a player in an offside position that is not interfering with play.
It was intolerable before. |
I don't think officials at our level are savvy enough to apply it properly.
The number of times you see a player ( on either side ) in what clearly looks offside carry on playing, receive the ball then a late flag goes up.
Frustrating and stupid change detracts more than it adds in my opinion | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 21:45 - Mar 10 with 1197 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 21:40 - Mar 10 by STID2017 |
I don't think officials at our level are savvy enough to apply it properly.
The number of times you see a player ( on either side ) in what clearly looks offside carry on playing, receive the ball then a late flag goes up.
Frustrating and stupid change detracts more than it adds in my opinion |
It’s more to do with the smartness of the player rather than the official. The officials job is easy, not much thinking required.
If he’s offside and gets involved with play then the flag goes up. Before touching the ball the player has the opportunity to be smart enough to withdraw and leave the ball where it is.
If they do then their team could benefit, if he doesn’t then he’s offside. The onus is on the player and the teams themselves, which is something I always prefer as opposed to putting it in the hands of the officials. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 21:53 - Mar 10 with 1194 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 21:45 - Mar 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s more to do with the smartness of the player rather than the official. The officials job is easy, not much thinking required.
If he’s offside and gets involved with play then the flag goes up. Before touching the ball the player has the opportunity to be smart enough to withdraw and leave the ball where it is.
If they do then their team could benefit, if he doesn’t then he’s offside. The onus is on the player and the teams themselves, which is something I always prefer as opposed to putting it in the hands of the officials. |
The scenario you suggest leaving the onus on the player would just lead to balls being allowed to drift out of play into touch or behind, once again slowing the game down.
Perhaps it's a no win situation but very frustrating for fans | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 22:02 - Mar 10 with 1190 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 21:53 - Mar 10 by STID2017 |
The scenario you suggest leaving the onus on the player would just lead to balls being allowed to drift out of play into touch or behind, once again slowing the game down.
Perhaps it's a no win situation but very frustrating for fans |
Why would they drift into touch or behind?
There are eleven players on the pitch for one side. If one player can’t touch the ball the other 10 can. It’s happened countless times where a player in an offside position stops, allowing his teammate to pick up the ball and take it on.
Prior to the change that would have been flagged dead immediately. Mind numbing. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 22:50 - Mar 10 with 1154 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 22:02 - Mar 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why would they drift into touch or behind?
There are eleven players on the pitch for one side. If one player can’t touch the ball the other 10 can. It’s happened countless times where a player in an offside position stops, allowing his teammate to pick up the ball and take it on.
Prior to the change that would have been flagged dead immediately. Mind numbing. |
How many times during a game do players run onto the ball only to be pulled back ?
Countless.
How many times do fans, coaches, etc say, "Play to the whistle" ?
No player is going to think " Hang on I'll stop in case I am offside "
Their coach would hang them out to dry if they did that.
Better to keep going ( unless a colleague is right by them in an offside position to take the ball on, but how often does that happen ?) in the hope it is onside or the officials make an error ( which they do all the time )
If it is offside just flag it and stop the frustration.
No logical reason for anyone to want it to be otherwise | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 23:07 - Mar 10 with 1147 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 22:50 - Mar 10 by STID2017 |
How many times during a game do players run onto the ball only to be pulled back ?
Countless.
How many times do fans, coaches, etc say, "Play to the whistle" ?
No player is going to think " Hang on I'll stop in case I am offside "
Their coach would hang them out to dry if they did that.
Better to keep going ( unless a colleague is right by them in an offside position to take the ball on, but how often does that happen ?) in the hope it is onside or the officials make an error ( which they do all the time )
If it is offside just flag it and stop the frustration.
No logical reason for anyone to want it to be otherwise |
But that won’t stop by reversing the change. Those situations will still be whistled dead regardless, the change gives the opportunity for the play to continue, the onus is on the player to be intelligent enough to stay out of the attack until the second phase.
It’s not designed for players who are borderline on/off to stop, it’s designed for those obviously in an offside position to remain out of the play to allow it to continue. I’m sure anyone borderline on/off will be encouraged to continue to chase the ball until flagged.
This change has been in effect for years now and you are the first person who I have heard suggest it was better before. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 23:25 - Mar 10 with 1141 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Prime example.
Joe Allen goal vs Cardiff.
Jason Scotland in an offside position, ball hit into his direction. He didn’t touch it so flag did not go up, if he touched it then it would have.
Under the previous laws that goal would have been disallowed. The beauty of the newer interpretation is that many people don’t notice when it is successful and the flag stays down, most only notice when the flag does go up.
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| Offside Flagging. on 23:52 - Mar 10 with 1128 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 23:25 - Mar 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
Prime example.
Joe Allen goal vs Cardiff.
Jason Scotland in an offside position, ball hit into his direction. He didn’t touch it so flag did not go up, if he touched it then it would have.
Under the previous laws that goal would have been disallowed. The beauty of the newer interpretation is that many people don’t notice when it is successful and the flag stays down, most only notice when the flag does go up.
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So when do you believe it came in ? | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 23:57 - Mar 10 with 1124 views | A_Fans_Dad |
There is one flaw with the current wait and see situation.
Defenders, goalkeepers and the offside player can all suffer injuries in a situation that should not have occurred where play should have been stopped.
It is taking unnecessary risks of injury. |  | | |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:02 - Mar 11 with 1120 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 23:52 - Mar 10 by STID2017 |
So when do you believe it came in ? |
Wouldn’t be able to tell you an exact date, law 11 defining you are only offside when you touch the ball was 2008 or 2009 maybe at a guess.
Around then anyway. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 00:10 - Mar 11 with 1115 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 23:57 - Mar 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
There is one flaw with the current wait and see situation.
Defenders, goalkeepers and the offside player can all suffer injuries in a situation that should not have occurred where play should have been stopped.
It is taking unnecessary risks of injury. |
But why “should” play be stopped would be the question:
The law states that the player is only offside when he touches the ball. You are at risk of injury at any time playing the game.
You could make the same argument for the advantage interpretation. Another excellent addition to the game. You can’t reverse these things incase someone gets injured, there is no direct risk to injury by applying it. Just as much chance of being injured at any other point of a game.
Someone may get injured in the resulting free kick situation too. That’s football. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 00:10 - Mar 11 with 1116 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:02 - Mar 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
Wouldn’t be able to tell you an exact date, law 11 defining you are only offside when you touch the ball was 2008 or 2009 maybe at a guess.
Around then anyway. |
So when was Trundle's lift over the ball so as not to touch it when going in ?
It was in front of the South Stand.
Cant remember if it was McLeod's 3rd goal against Bristol City ?
Definitely pre 2009 ? | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 00:13 - Mar 11 with 1114 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:10 - Mar 11 by STID2017 |
So when was Trundle's lift over the ball so as not to touch it when going in ?
It was in front of the South Stand.
Cant remember if it was McLeod's 3rd goal against Bristol City ?
Definitely pre 2009 ? |
Don’t know.
But this is from 2009.
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| Offside Flagging. on 00:39 - Mar 11 with 1108 views | theloneranger |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:10 - Mar 11 by STID2017 |
So when was Trundle's lift over the ball so as not to touch it when going in ?
It was in front of the South Stand.
Cant remember if it was McLeod's 3rd goal against Bristol City ?
Definitely pre 2009 ? |
That was the winning goal in a 3-2 win against Blackpool. October 2005. |  |
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| Offside Flagging. on 00:46 - Mar 11 with 1106 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:39 - Mar 11 by theloneranger |
That was the winning goal in a 3-2 win against Blackpool. October 2005. |
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| Offside Flagging. on 06:35 - Mar 11 with 1074 views | Kilkennyjack |
Lino get ewe fecking flag up mun …. |  |
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| Offside Flagging. on 09:23 - Mar 11 with 1032 views | KeithHaynes |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:39 - Mar 11 by theloneranger |
That was the winning goal in a 3-2 win against Blackpool. October 2005. |
As referenced in today’s little memo. The last time the swans beat Blackpool, in eleven other attempts a no go.
Great minds.
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| Offside Flagging. on 19:02 - Mar 11 with 971 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 00:39 - Mar 11 by theloneranger |
That was the winning goal in a 3-2 win against Blackpool. October 2005. |
Cant have been as the font of all knowledge said the rule about interfering with play came in later ?
So would have been disallowed surely ?  | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 14:49 - Mar 13 with 882 views | theloneranger |
"Delaying the flag for offside "
"This is new for the 2020/21 Premier League. When an immediate goalscoring opportunity is likely to occur, the assistant referee will keep their flag down if they think there is an offside until the passage of play is completed."
"Once a goal is scored or the chance is gone, the assistant will raise the flag to indicate the initial offence." | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 14:56 - Mar 13 with 879 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Offside Flagging. on 14:49 - Mar 13 by theloneranger |
"Delaying the flag for offside "
"This is new for the 2020/21 Premier League. When an immediate goalscoring opportunity is likely to occur, the assistant referee will keep their flag down if they think there is an offside until the passage of play is completed."
"Once a goal is scored or the chance is gone, the assistant will raise the flag to indicate the initial offence." |
Exactly.
Which is why it can lead to injuries for those involved.
How many times have we seen the offside player recieve the ball and continue the attack.
It is also a time waster in very tight games. | | | |
| Offside Flagging. on 17:08 - Mar 13 with 861 views | STID2017 |
| Offside Flagging. on 14:56 - Mar 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
Exactly.
Which is why it can lead to injuries for those involved.
How many times have we seen the offside player recieve the ball and continue the attack.
It is also a time waster in very tight games. |
Which was my original point.
Wastes more time and is frustrating. | |
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| Offside Flagging. on 06:45 - Mar 14 with 831 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Offside Flagging. on 19:02 - Mar 11 by STID2017 |
Cant have been as the font of all knowledge said the rule about interfering with play came in later ?
So would have been disallowed surely ? |
Where did I say I came later?
I said I didn’t know, I gave you a rough guess.
Not sure why you were asking me really. It had nothing to do with any point I made.
No clue what you are talking about I’m afraid. | |
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