| US mass shootings 22:12 - Mar 28 with 6986 views | britferry |
130 times this year where 4 or more people have been killed in an incident.
I just can't understand why they like to target schools, Ok, the kids can't fight back but what the hell have they done to deserve being shot at their age? |  |
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| US mass shootings on 22:28 - Mar 28 with 3793 views | felixstowe_jack |
Of course if assualt weapons were banned in the USA a lot less people would die. Perhaps only single shot rifles should be sold that at least will make hunting wildlife less like butchery. | |
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| US mass shootings on 22:31 - Mar 28 with 3789 views | britferry |
| US mass shootings on 22:28 - Mar 28 by felixstowe_jack |
Of course if assualt weapons were banned in the USA a lot less people would die. Perhaps only single shot rifles should be sold that at least will make hunting wildlife less like butchery. |
I agree but there are so many out there already plus Canada would have to ban them too | |
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| US mass shootings on 22:52 - Mar 28 with 3776 views | Dr_Parnassus |
People don’t generally understand what an assault weapon is.
Pistols can be assault weapons.
AR-15’s which are fairly commonly used in mass shootings, are not assault weapons despite commonly being labelled as such.
Most mass shootings are carried out with hand guns. Also as touched upon, the problem is too late to solve. 90% of gun related prison inmates say they got their gun outside of a retail setting.
The data is always skewed by those with a vested interest too. Over half the gun death statistics are suicides.
Do I like guns? No.
Would I arm myself in America. Certainly, and would despise anyone trying to take that right away from me considering the amount of criminals that will be armed. |  |
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| US mass shootings on 23:01 - Mar 28 with 3774 views | Scotia |
Nashville Congressman Ogles is devastated by the shootings. In case you haven't seen his 2022 family Xmas card here it is in the link.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/27/nashville-shooting-congre
The entire relationship with guns in the states is absurd.
The murderer in this case had seven legally owned weapons, apparently her family didn't think she was fit to own them as she was being treated for an emotional disorder, but as she had no criminal record her owning assault rifles was fine in the eyes of the law.
Surely something has to change? | | | |
| US mass shootings on 00:06 - Mar 29 with 3749 views | britferry |
| US mass shootings on 23:01 - Mar 28 by Scotia |
Nashville Congressman Ogles is devastated by the shootings. In case you haven't seen his 2022 family Xmas card here it is in the link.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/27/nashville-shooting-congre
The entire relationship with guns in the states is absurd.
The murderer in this case had seven legally owned weapons, apparently her family didn't think she was fit to own them as she was being treated for an emotional disorder, but as she had no criminal record her owning assault rifles was fine in the eyes of the law.
Surely something has to change? |
Merry Xmas to you from me & the family
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| US mass shootings on 01:17 - Mar 29 with 3737 views | Dr_Parnassus |
They aren’t assault rifles.
They want you to think they are, which is why they say “assault-style”.
Whenever media is trying to mislead, then you should be asking yourself why.
By muddying the waters, they can lay blame on Government by making people believe they are assault weapons. Their argument is to ban assault weapons (which I agree with), so attributing as many deaths as they can to assault weapons seems to be their goal - despite the fact it’s completely inaccurate.
People need to accept that guns are simply a way of life in America, there are far too many in circulation to simply tell people to not have one. Moaning about it and suggesting it not be the case is futile.
It’s the mental health epidemic I would be trying to tackle. This murderer was clearly not the full mental shilling.
If you were in the Apocalypse or walking dead scenario, you would be immediately reaching or wishing you had a gun. Well this is what it’s like for many people in America; not zombies of course but criminals armed to the teeth.
I’d suggest that in the current climate, it’s irresponsible to your family to NOT own one. But that’s just me. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 20:50]
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| US mass shootings on 06:46 - Mar 29 with 3702 views | Scotia |
| US mass shootings on 01:17 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
They aren’t assault rifles.
They want you to think they are, which is why they say “assault-style”.
Whenever media is trying to mislead, then you should be asking yourself why.
By muddying the waters, they can lay blame on Government by making people believe they are assault weapons. Their argument is to ban assault weapons (which I agree with), so attributing as many deaths as they can to assault weapons seems to be their goal - despite the fact it’s completely inaccurate.
People need to accept that guns are simply a way of life in America, there are far too many in circulation to simply tell people to not have one. Moaning about it and suggesting it not be the case is futile.
It’s the mental health epidemic I would be trying to tackle. This murderer was clearly not the full mental shilling.
If you were in the Apocalypse or walking dead scenario, you would be immediately reaching or wishing you had a gun. Well this is what it’s like for many people in America; not zombies of course but criminals armed to the teeth.
I’d suggest that in the current climate, it’s irresponsible to your family to NOT own one. But that’s just me. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 20:50]
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I don't think it really matters what type of guns they are, they're posing with them.
It's a politician with his wife and children showing off the fact they've got very large guns whether they are assault rifles or not. I just find it a bit sick, this mass shooting isn't the first or the worst this photo is glorifying the ownership of weapons of violence and death.
The relationship between guns and people in the states is very odd as is the apparent lack of will to do anything about it. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 07:54 - Mar 29 with 3678 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| US mass shootings on 00:06 - Mar 29 by britferry |
Merry Xmas to you from me & the family
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That’s completely normal behaviour. |  |
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| US mass shootings on 08:08 - Mar 29 with 3673 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 06:46 - Mar 29 by Scotia |
I don't think it really matters what type of guns they are, they're posing with them.
It's a politician with his wife and children showing off the fact they've got very large guns whether they are assault rifles or not. I just find it a bit sick, this mass shooting isn't the first or the worst this photo is glorifying the ownership of weapons of violence and death.
The relationship between guns and people in the states is very odd as is the apparent lack of will to do anything about it. |
The “size” of gun doesn’t really matter does it.
If I shoot you in the head with a pistol the size of king size Mars bar or an AR-15, the result is much the same.
I would imagine the “pose” is one of a supporting of the constitution and the right to defend yourself rather than “violence and death”.
There is no will to do anything about it because there is nothing that can be done. 400m guns in circulation in America.
If you demand people hand them in as some sort of weapons amnesty, who do you think hands them in? The law abiding citizens or the criminals?
In which case nothing has been solved and all you have done is disarmed the people who could protect themselves and save not only themselves but others.
Like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62217263.amp
It’s far more complex than saying “do something”. | |
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| US mass shootings on 08:37 - Mar 29 with 3665 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| US mass shootings on 08:08 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
The “size” of gun doesn’t really matter does it.
If I shoot you in the head with a pistol the size of king size Mars bar or an AR-15, the result is much the same.
I would imagine the “pose” is one of a supporting of the constitution and the right to defend yourself rather than “violence and death”.
There is no will to do anything about it because there is nothing that can be done. 400m guns in circulation in America.
If you demand people hand them in as some sort of weapons amnesty, who do you think hands them in? The law abiding citizens or the criminals?
In which case nothing has been solved and all you have done is disarmed the people who could protect themselves and save not only themselves but others.
Like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62217263.amp
It’s far more complex than saying “do something”. |
They haven’t armed the small kid on the left. He/she/they are completely defenceless against a theoretical tyrannical government. | |
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| US mass shootings on 08:41 - Mar 29 with 3662 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 08:37 - Mar 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They haven’t armed the small kid on the left. He/she/they are completely defenceless against a theoretical tyrannical government. |
Doesn’t have to be a tyrannical Government, it can be other armed people like the one who shot 9 year olds in a school.
Knowing these people will never hand their guns in, would you rather have one on you when some mental case is shooting up a school with your children in it… or would you rather have handed it in like a good boy?
I don’t have children but I can only imagine most people with them would much prefer the option of being able to defend them. | |
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| US mass shootings on 08:54 - Mar 29 with 3653 views | Boundy |
| US mass shootings on 08:41 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Doesn’t have to be a tyrannical Government, it can be other armed people like the one who shot 9 year olds in a school.
Knowing these people will never hand their guns in, would you rather have one on you when some mental case is shooting up a school with your children in it… or would you rather have handed it in like a good boy?
I don’t have children but I can only imagine most people with them would much prefer the option of being able to defend them. |
How many parents of those now thousands killed in school were there to protect them ? | |
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| US mass shootings on 08:55 - Mar 29 with 3653 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| US mass shootings on 08:41 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Doesn’t have to be a tyrannical Government, it can be other armed people like the one who shot 9 year olds in a school.
Knowing these people will never hand their guns in, would you rather have one on you when some mental case is shooting up a school with your children in it… or would you rather have handed it in like a good boy?
I don’t have children but I can only imagine most people with them would much prefer the option of being able to defend them. |
Are you suggesting kids should be taking guns to school cocked and loaded ready to defend themselves on the off chance someone might attack them?
If someone pulls a gun on you unexpectedly you’re unlikely to be standing there with your gun ready to defend yourself.
Your argument is beyond mental. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:04 - Mar 29 with 3651 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 08:54 - Mar 29 by Boundy |
How many parents of those now thousands killed in school were there to protect them ? |
None, but why would you take away their chance to?
I just showed you an example of someone protecting others against a similar instance. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:06 - Mar 29 with 3650 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 08:55 - Mar 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Are you suggesting kids should be taking guns to school cocked and loaded ready to defend themselves on the off chance someone might attack them?
If someone pulls a gun on you unexpectedly you’re unlikely to be standing there with your gun ready to defend yourself.
Your argument is beyond mental. |
Where did you read that?
Arguments are always going to be mental if you make them up.
I quite clearly framed it as “your children” meaning the armed party would be the adults taking their children to school.
So I ask again.
If you just dropped your kid off at school and you see someone approaching with a rifle in a similar instance to the OP…
Would you prefer to have a gun on you and protect your kid, or just cross your fingers and hope for the best?
The answer is easy and far from mental. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:07 - Mar 29 with 3649 views | Scotia |
| US mass shootings on 08:08 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
The “size” of gun doesn’t really matter does it.
If I shoot you in the head with a pistol the size of king size Mars bar or an AR-15, the result is much the same.
I would imagine the “pose” is one of a supporting of the constitution and the right to defend yourself rather than “violence and death”.
There is no will to do anything about it because there is nothing that can be done. 400m guns in circulation in America.
If you demand people hand them in as some sort of weapons amnesty, who do you think hands them in? The law abiding citizens or the criminals?
In which case nothing has been solved and all you have done is disarmed the people who could protect themselves and save not only themselves but others.
Like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62217263.amp
It’s far more complex than saying “do something”. |
I'm no expert but I think the size of the gun does matter, surely the longer the barrel the more accurate the weapon?
I assume you'd be more likely to hit me in the head with a rifle than a pistol from any decent range, for arguments sake the length of a classroom for example?
He may be trying to demonstrate supporting the right to defend yourself but the image it portrays demonstrates a sick fascination with guns. I don't get it.
I understand that the gun problem is out of control in the states, but it strikes me as a symptom of a completely broken society, a society I'm glad I don't live in. Why do American citizens accept this?
How many times has a mass shooting actually been stopped by a good guy with a gun? There's been a stupid amount of mass shootings so far this year, if the perpetrator is being shot before the shootings can take place on other occasions too then the problem is even more out of hand than I realised. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 09:09 - Mar 29 with 3647 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I’ll take that response in two parts:
The second was…
“If someone pulls a gun on you unexpectedly you’re unlikely to be standing there with your gun ready to defend yourself.”
Correct, however the next armed person could take that person out without them shooting anyone else.
Let’s say me and you go and watch the football with your kids, someone pulls a gun out and shoots me and is about to turn the gun on your kids.
Would you rather have a gun or would you prefer to have handed them in because “if someone pulls a gun on me then I’m unlikely to be ready with mine”.
If you answer honestly, again - it’s the easiest answer in the world. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:15 - Mar 29 with 3642 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| US mass shootings on 09:09 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
I’ll take that response in two parts:
The second was…
“If someone pulls a gun on you unexpectedly you’re unlikely to be standing there with your gun ready to defend yourself.”
Correct, however the next armed person could take that person out without them shooting anyone else.
Let’s say me and you go and watch the football with your kids, someone pulls a gun out and shoots me and is about to turn the gun on your kids.
Would you rather have a gun or would you prefer to have handed them in because “if someone pulls a gun on me then I’m unlikely to be ready with mine”.
If you answer honestly, again - it’s the easiest answer in the world. |
In that scenario I would have to take my gun to the football and/or everywhere I go. Your argument depends on everyone having their gun on them at all times just in case. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:18 - Mar 29 with 3642 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 09:07 - Mar 29 by Scotia |
I'm no expert but I think the size of the gun does matter, surely the longer the barrel the more accurate the weapon?
I assume you'd be more likely to hit me in the head with a rifle than a pistol from any decent range, for arguments sake the length of a classroom for example?
He may be trying to demonstrate supporting the right to defend yourself but the image it portrays demonstrates a sick fascination with guns. I don't get it.
I understand that the gun problem is out of control in the states, but it strikes me as a symptom of a completely broken society, a society I'm glad I don't live in. Why do American citizens accept this?
How many times has a mass shooting actually been stopped by a good guy with a gun? There's been a stupid amount of mass shootings so far this year, if the perpetrator is being shot before the shootings can take place on other occasions too then the problem is even more out of hand than I realised. |
So it’s not power you are concerned about, but accuracy?
I’m pretty sure most murders, be that mass murders or singular aren’t done from a snipers position. They are done at close range and in close quarters. I highly doubt they are using scopes, it’s a point and shoot scenario.
It’s not a fascination, it’s a supporting of a highly political right to bear arms. There is a very real lobby to try and disarm people, knowing that the only people being disarmed are those using them responsibly.
It’s not just about mass shooting, it’s about shootings and life threatening situations in general. I can post hundreds of examples of shootings being stopped by armed civilians.
https://www.wbko.com/2023/02/16/67-year-old-woman-shoots-kills-armed-intruder-he
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/louisiana-mother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-ro
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/armed-intruder-shot-killed-in-el-mirage-home-p
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/93-year-man-shoots-home-intruder-fends-off/story?i
https://www.wcjb.com/2023/02/15/elderly-woman-interlachen-shoots-kills-an-armed-
https://www.kktv.com/2023/01/03/armed-79-year-old-shoots-kills-intruder-who-stab
I could probably post thousands of these if needed (armed intruders being shot by vulnerable people). [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 9:27]
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| US mass shootings on 09:20 - Mar 29 with 3641 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 09:15 - Mar 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
In that scenario I would have to take my gun to the football and/or everywhere I go. Your argument depends on everyone having their gun on them at all times just in case. |
Why does my argument depend on that?
My argument is based on you and you alone.
Should you see an armed guy going into your children’s school, would you rather have a gun or not have a gun?
It’s a simple question with a very simple answer.
That answer is why Americans have guns. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:30 - Mar 29 with 3629 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| US mass shootings on 09:20 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why does my argument depend on that?
My argument is based on you and you alone.
Should you see an armed guy going into your children’s school, would you rather have a gun or not have a gun?
It’s a simple question with a very simple answer.
That answer is why Americans have guns. |
The example you gave was you being shot at the football and me having a gun available to stop the gunman turning his gun on my kids. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:33 - Mar 29 with 3625 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 09:30 - Mar 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The example you gave was you being shot at the football and me having a gun available to stop the gunman turning his gun on my kids. |
The first example was the school, you didn’t answer I notice 
But no, my other point obviously also doesn’t mean anything of the sort. It would require one person in that immediate vicinity to be armed.
So if you won’t answer the first scenario, answer this second one.
Gunman enters the football stand and starts shooting people with your kids close to the firing line, would you rather someone in the vicinity be armed (you for example) or just the guy shooting people? | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:37 - Mar 29 with 3620 views | Boundy |
| US mass shootings on 09:07 - Mar 29 by Scotia |
I'm no expert but I think the size of the gun does matter, surely the longer the barrel the more accurate the weapon?
I assume you'd be more likely to hit me in the head with a rifle than a pistol from any decent range, for arguments sake the length of a classroom for example?
He may be trying to demonstrate supporting the right to defend yourself but the image it portrays demonstrates a sick fascination with guns. I don't get it.
I understand that the gun problem is out of control in the states, but it strikes me as a symptom of a completely broken society, a society I'm glad I don't live in. Why do American citizens accept this?
How many times has a mass shooting actually been stopped by a good guy with a gun? There's been a stupid amount of mass shootings so far this year, if the perpetrator is being shot before the shootings can take place on other occasions too then the problem is even more out of hand than I realised. |
Unless your down in the prone position then every time a longer barrel is more accurate than a short barrel and obviously distance is a major factor along with many others .That's why assault weapons are classed as more dangerous because of the risk of collateral damage . | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:43 - Mar 29 with 3615 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| US mass shootings on 09:33 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
The first example was the school, you didn’t answer I notice
But no, my other point obviously also doesn’t mean anything of the sort. It would require one person in that immediate vicinity to be armed.
So if you won’t answer the first scenario, answer this second one.
Gunman enters the football stand and starts shooting people with your kids close to the firing line, would you rather someone in the vicinity be armed (you for example) or just the guy shooting people? |
The first scenario is equally ridiculous. I have to take a gun to drop my kids off at school now just in case. Or at least hope one of the other parents or children has a gun and is ready to use it without a seconds hesitation. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:51 - Mar 29 with 3610 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 09:43 - Mar 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The first scenario is equally ridiculous. I have to take a gun to drop my kids off at school now just in case. Or at least hope one of the other parents or children has a gun and is ready to use it without a seconds hesitation. |
I didn’t say you had to.
I’m saying if you saw a gunman entering a school with your children inside, would you rather have a gun on you or not.
If you find that one too tough to answer, you can take yourself out of the scenario and it become “one of the other parents”, if you like.
The answer is incredibly easy, your clear difficultly in answering any of these scenarios shows that. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 9:55]
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