| US mass shootings 22:12 - Mar 28 with 7068 views | britferry |
130 times this year where 4 or more people have been killed in an incident.
I just can't understand why they like to target schools, Ok, the kids can't fight back but what the hell have they done to deserve being shot at their age? |  |
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| US mass shootings on 20:25 - Mar 29 with 846 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 13:56 - Mar 29 by Scotia |
I'm not using any maths, I haven't got a clue what the figures are to be honest.
I'd really love to see a breakdown of those figures because there seems to be a lot of conclusions drawn from very incomplete stats there
It could be spun another way to demonstrate that 22000 people have been killed by firearms.
I'd also expect to see a direct relationship between a relaxation in gun ownership restrictions and an increase in actual lives saved. Not just criminals being shot, but an armed criminal intent on using his weapon being shot by a member of the public with a legally held weapon. |
If you aren’t using maths then how can you say there is no net benefit?
As I said, if the Government introduced an amnesty to hand in guns, the only ones that would do it are law abiding citizens.
Meaning all you are doing is preventing those 2000 (or however many) from being able to protect themselves.
There is no issue with law abiding and responsible gun ownership. The issue is those of a criminal persuasion, and those don’t tend to comply with law. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 23:35]
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| US mass shootings on 20:26 - Mar 29 with 845 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 14:09 - Mar 29 by Boundy |
O yes it is my friend by quite margin as well and I'm speaking from experience, whereas you ? |
Huh?
An assault weapon has nothing to do with length of barrel. There is no experience you can have to make this correct.
It’s largely to do with a detachable magazine. You can have a glock which is an assault weapon, you can have a rifle that isn’t.
You aren’t making sense I’m afraid, which is a regular occurrence. | |
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| US mass shootings on 20:28 - Mar 29 with 835 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 19:34 - Mar 29 by controversial_jack |
Indeed, we don't have to defend ourselves against those with guns |
Exactly.
There are 400 million in America.
They do. | |
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| US mass shootings on 20:31 - Mar 29 with 832 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 19:35 - Mar 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
I think you may be misunderstanding what he is saying, does he mean if you were a shooter in the room with either type of weapon and he had a gun he would shoot you first and ask afterwards?
"I’m shooting you first time"
I agree with you that long barrels are far more accurate, especially over distance, but rifles are a bit unwieldy indoors compared to an automatic pistol. |
I’m saying whether I have a pistol or a rifle, at close quarters I’m shooting him regardless.
In close quarters situations, length of barrel doesn’t come into it. Most murders aren’t from a sniper position, they are point blank range or from a few feet away.
So if my goal is to murder Boundy and we are in the same room, the length of barrel is irrelevant. He gets hit regardless.
He mistakenly thinks that assault weapons are dangerous because of the length of barrel.
I have informed him, factually, that barrel length has no bearing on what makes a weapon “an assault weapon”.
A shotgun is not an assault weapon, a glock with a detachable magazine can be. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 23:41]
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| US mass shootings on 20:35 - Mar 29 with 822 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 18:48 - Mar 29 by SullutaCreturned |
The AR-15 is a semi automatic "self loading rifle" which is commonly described as an assault rifle.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/
As the story says, most mass killing involve multiple weapons, hand guns and rifles. As crazy as the situation is, nothing will change in the USA nt even if they criminalise gun ownership because there's just too many guns in circulation. |
But as you correctly say, there is already too many in circulation.
All a gun ban will do now is disarm responsible gun owners and leave them in the hands of the criminals and mentally unwell.
I fully back those that don’t want that to happen. | |
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| US mass shootings on 20:39 - Mar 29 with 816 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 20:17 - Mar 29 by Gwyn737 |
Good points IMO.
I think the reason that these fast firing weapons get the press is that they invariably involve innocent bystanders.
Australia managed to get rid of a load of weapons via banning but whether we like it or not the will isn’t there in the US, partly down to the NRA who are an incredibly powerful lobbying force. |
Ridiculous comparison.
There is double the amount of people in England than Australia, in total it was about 600k guns.
This is 400 MILLION, from a population of 320 MILLION.
Different level altogether. So while you bang on about “will”, it has nothing to do with “will”. It has everything to do with reality. | |
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| US mass shootings on 21:18 - Mar 29 with 804 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| US mass shootings on 20:01 - Mar 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Some context on this shooting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne
"Controversial group behind 'Trans Day of Vengeance' raised money for firearms training - as other trans protestors pose with guns ahead of march in DC on Saturday
The protest was rebranded before the Nashville tragedy from 'visibility' to 'vengeance' by the Trans Radical Activist Network
But some social media users appear to have taken the protest to another level and have posed with powerful firearms posted along with the hashtag
Twitter has since removed more than 5,000 posts that have used the flyer for the event on April 1"
"But despite rising political tensions across the country, which saw a press secretary for Arizona Democrat Governor post a Tweet about shooting transphobes, the Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN) is pushing forward with their protest in DC." |
Apparently she has now resigned.
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| US mass shootings on 21:20 - Mar 29 with 803 views | A_Fans_Dad |
More context.
Jane Fonda | | | |
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| US mass shootings on 21:34 - Mar 29 with 788 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 21:18 - Mar 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Apparently she has now resigned.
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This mass brainwashing regarding these sort of things is only going to cause more mentally unstable people.
We live in the most embarrassing and bizarre time in history.
Never before has there been such disregard for reality. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 17:10]
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| US mass shootings on 10:12 - Mar 30 with 743 views | jojaca |
| US mass shootings on 21:34 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
This mass brainwashing regarding these sort of things is only going to cause more mentally unstable people.
We live in the most embarrassing and bizarre time in history.
Never before has there been such disregard for reality. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 17:10]
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I don't think it really effects the normal citizen, we are too worried about paying our bills to be caught up in these agendas. |  |
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| US mass shootings on 11:03 - Mar 30 with 724 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 10:12 - Mar 30 by jojaca |
I don't think it really effects the normal citizen, we are too worried about paying our bills to be caught up in these agendas. |
That’s what everyone says until the world changes from under you.
You have it now in schools, teachers getting fired for not recognising these gender changes, I saw one kid demand to be called a pixie by his teacher the other day. People losing jobs, people scared to say what they think.
People can be whatever they like, but this demand to comply or else is getting scary.
It’s mental fascism. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 20:56]
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| US mass shootings on 17:58 - Mar 30 with 666 views | SullutaCreturned |
| US mass shootings on 11:03 - Mar 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s what everyone says until the world changes from under you.
You have it now in schools, teachers getting fired for not recognising these gender changes, I saw one kid demand to be called a pixie by his teacher the other day. People losing jobs, people scared to say what they think.
People can be whatever they like, but this demand to comply or else is getting scary.
It’s mental fascism. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 20:56]
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| US mass shootings on 22:57 - Mar 30 with 608 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
It actually does. Didn't you know any "Tomboys" growing up who developed into beautiful, happy women?
Nowadays, those poor kids are being prescribed puberty blockers and getting "top" surgery before they are 18. |  |
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| US mass shootings on 23:02 - Mar 30 with 603 views | Scotia |
| US mass shootings on 20:25 - Mar 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
If you aren’t using maths then how can you say there is no net benefit?
As I said, if the Government introduced an amnesty to hand in guns, the only ones that would do it are law abiding citizens.
Meaning all you are doing is preventing those 2000 (or however many) from being able to protect themselves.
There is no issue with law abiding and responsible gun ownership. The issue is those of a criminal persuasion, and those don’t tend to comply with law. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 23:35]
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I didn't say there wasn't a net benefit, I said there should be. I haven't seen one demonstrated, it should be easy in a country as large as the US with varied gun ownership restrictions.
From my point of view the bar for someone to be considered to be a law abiding and responsible gun owner in the US is far too low and the apparent obsession with them is quite pathetic.
Why does anyone need a rifle in their house for self protection? They aren't much good for that but decent at killing unarmed people/animals.
Why does anyone need more than one legally owned gun?
Why does any individual need to legally own a military grade weapon?
The situation around mass shootings in the US could be addressed to some extent, I don't understand why it isn't. I'm not being naive or obtuse but the seemingly complete opposition to an increase in gun ownership restriction is stupid. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 23:17 - Mar 30 with 585 views | Scotia |
How on earth has this thread descended in to a Trans issue?
I'm not a leftist, woke or trans. I think I'm just a sensible, bang average human.
This shooting was committed by a nutcase who legally owned several guns. That's the problem, not what the person firing the guns identified as. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 23:48 - Mar 30 with 570 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 23:02 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
I didn't say there wasn't a net benefit, I said there should be. I haven't seen one demonstrated, it should be easy in a country as large as the US with varied gun ownership restrictions.
From my point of view the bar for someone to be considered to be a law abiding and responsible gun owner in the US is far too low and the apparent obsession with them is quite pathetic.
Why does anyone need a rifle in their house for self protection? They aren't much good for that but decent at killing unarmed people/animals.
Why does anyone need more than one legally owned gun?
Why does any individual need to legally own a military grade weapon?
The situation around mass shootings in the US could be addressed to some extent, I don't understand why it isn't. I'm not being naive or obtuse but the seemingly complete opposition to an increase in gun ownership restriction is stupid. |
But you have seen one demonstrated, I’ve shown you many examples of people protecting themselves and others.
The only people pushing this “obsession” is the likes of yourself. I don’t see an obsession, I see people taking up their right to defend themselves in a country where gun usage is rife. I don’t think the people of Ukraine are “obsessed with guns” either, but certainly see the need to own one in a country with so much violence and threat.
Why are rifles a problem where as you don’t believe hand guns are? Surely it is up to the user which they feel more comfortable with?
Agree regarding military grade weapons, not many do own them though.
How could mass shootings be addressed then? | |
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| US mass shootings on 07:14 - Mar 31 with 515 views | SullutaCreturned |
| US mass shootings on 23:48 - Mar 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
But you have seen one demonstrated, I’ve shown you many examples of people protecting themselves and others.
The only people pushing this “obsession” is the likes of yourself. I don’t see an obsession, I see people taking up their right to defend themselves in a country where gun usage is rife. I don’t think the people of Ukraine are “obsessed with guns” either, but certainly see the need to own one in a country with so much violence and threat.
Why are rifles a problem where as you don’t believe hand guns are? Surely it is up to the user which they feel more comfortable with?
Agree regarding military grade weapons, not many do own them though.
How could mass shootings be addressed then? |
Hand guns are a bigger problem to me. They are more easily concealed, you could use 2 at a time and modern handguns are powerful; from close range one bullet could travel through the first victim and hit another.
At least a rifle is visible, you can see the lunatic. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 07:28 - Mar 31 with 509 views | Gwyn737 |
| US mass shootings on 23:17 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
How on earth has this thread descended in to a Trans issue?
I'm not a leftist, woke or trans. I think I'm just a sensible, bang average human.
This shooting was committed by a nutcase who legally owned several guns. That's the problem, not what the person firing the guns identified as. |
Because some incredibly irresponsible rhetoric from a far left group has been linked to the nutter who shot children in a school. Awful all round.
I hope those calling it out do the same thing when the inevitable emotive language from Trump after his indictment leads to trouble. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 08:56 - Mar 31 with 492 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 08:45 - Mar 31 by Scotia |
I can't see a link to the Nashville shootings? Apart from the trans issue.
I don't see the relevance, perhaps a group of extremists have morbidly jumped on a band wagon but that's about it. |
I don’t understand what point you are making.
A trans former soldier just killed three children on a shooting rampage in the lead up to what is being billed as ‘trans day of vengeance’, where this is now being celebrated as some sort of marker in the sand for what’s to come.
And you don’t think the debate about radical trans activism is relevant?
I don’t really know how to respond to that. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 17:14]
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| US mass shootings on 09:15 - Mar 31 with 485 views | Scotia |
| US mass shootings on 23:48 - Mar 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
But you have seen one demonstrated, I’ve shown you many examples of people protecting themselves and others.
The only people pushing this “obsession” is the likes of yourself. I don’t see an obsession, I see people taking up their right to defend themselves in a country where gun usage is rife. I don’t think the people of Ukraine are “obsessed with guns” either, but certainly see the need to own one in a country with so much violence and threat.
Why are rifles a problem where as you don’t believe hand guns are? Surely it is up to the user which they feel more comfortable with?
Agree regarding military grade weapons, not many do own them though.
How could mass shootings be addressed then? |
It hasn't been demonstrated, you've posted links to criminals being shot in the act of committing a crime. I'd expect to see that there are demonstarbly less deaths caused by guns in US states with liberal gun laws as a result of the protection they afford the person with a gun. I have no idea if that is the case or not.
I'm not pushing an obsession it's obvious, a congressman issued a Christmas card showing off his families weapons. The sport I participate in (which is largley US based) includes a glock pistol as part of the prize money. These aren't uncommon occurences, Americans push the obsession themselves.
Just look at these images, they aren't fabricated but genuine US gun owners. It's fetish like.
https://www.leica-oskar-barnac
I don't get the comparison to Ukraine. I don't think a member of the public living relatively peacefully in Odessa or Lviv needs an arsenal of weapons.
All guns are a problem not just rifles, I just think it's probably easier for a an average person to kill a number of defenceless people with a rifle than a pistol.
How can mass shootings be addressed? That's very difficult due to the apparent mess that the US is in with the number of guns in circulation, but how many are committed with illegally held weapons? I'd suggest more restrictive gun control across the states with universal laws across the country, perhaps restricting ownership to a single gun and ensure those who own that gun are thoroughly medically and criminally vetted.
There is no way that Audrey Hale should have been allowed to own seven guns whilst being treated for an emotional disorder. Quite frankly it's insane. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 09:20 - Mar 31 with 482 views | Scotia |
| US mass shootings on 08:56 - Mar 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t understand what point you are making.
A trans former soldier just killed three children on a shooting rampage in the lead up to what is being billed as ‘trans day of vengeance’, where this is now being celebrated as some sort of marker in the sand for what’s to come.
And you don’t think the debate about radical trans activism is relevant?
I don’t really know how to respond to that. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 17:14]
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So a group of extremists have just jumped on a band wagon then?
The debate isn't about trans activism, it's about someone medically unfit to be trusted with weapons owning weapons whether they are he/she or they. | | | |
| US mass shootings on 09:22 - Mar 31 with 479 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 09:20 - Mar 31 by Scotia |
So a group of extremists have just jumped on a band wagon then?
The debate isn't about trans activism, it's about someone medically unfit to be trusted with weapons owning weapons whether they are he/she or they. |
So you don’t think the shooter is an extremist?
That’s an interesting take. | |
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| US mass shootings on 09:35 - Mar 31 with 475 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US mass shootings on 09:15 - Mar 31 by Scotia |
It hasn't been demonstrated, you've posted links to criminals being shot in the act of committing a crime. I'd expect to see that there are demonstarbly less deaths caused by guns in US states with liberal gun laws as a result of the protection they afford the person with a gun. I have no idea if that is the case or not.
I'm not pushing an obsession it's obvious, a congressman issued a Christmas card showing off his families weapons. The sport I participate in (which is largley US based) includes a glock pistol as part of the prize money. These aren't uncommon occurences, Americans push the obsession themselves.
Just look at these images, they aren't fabricated but genuine US gun owners. It's fetish like.
https://www.leica-oskar-barnac
I don't get the comparison to Ukraine. I don't think a member of the public living relatively peacefully in Odessa or Lviv needs an arsenal of weapons.
All guns are a problem not just rifles, I just think it's probably easier for a an average person to kill a number of defenceless people with a rifle than a pistol.
How can mass shootings be addressed? That's very difficult due to the apparent mess that the US is in with the number of guns in circulation, but how many are committed with illegally held weapons? I'd suggest more restrictive gun control across the states with universal laws across the country, perhaps restricting ownership to a single gun and ensure those who own that gun are thoroughly medically and criminally vetted.
There is no way that Audrey Hale should have been allowed to own seven guns whilst being treated for an emotional disorder. Quite frankly it's insane. |
It has been demonstrated.
Again, there are 400 million guns in circulation. Making guns illegal will only stop the law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves.
It’s a cute idea that criminals and murderers would comply, but it’s not realistic unfortunately. So any life saved by a member of the public is a net benefit.
The obsession is with their constitution because it’s under threat, it’s silly to narrow that down to “guns”. The Christmas card is clearly a demonstration of their support for that right. I highly doubt their daily lives are devoted to guns, which would come under “an obsession”.
It’s just a cheap way to put the issue into a neat box by labelling as such.
The comparison with Ukraine is an easy one. They have genuine threat to life, of themselves and their families - so they all own guns. It’s not an obsession, it’s an obvious step taken when under those circumstances. 20,000 murders per year in the States would suggest this is not an obsession as billed but a very real and understandable reaction to it.
Why would it be easier with a rifle? Most rifles only hold 1-2 bullets, a handgun often holds 6-8. I think you are talking about assault weapons, which don’t mean rifles. It’s a common misconception.
With regards to restricting gun ownership, it’s futile. You seem to think if Hale wasn’t able to buy a gun then he/she would have just thought “ah damn, can’t do it now”. Guns are sold privately and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
The issue is the mental health aspect, not the retail side of guns. Now playing into these narratives around gender identity is going to absolutely destroy a large portion of society’s mental health, it’s not being treated as a mental health issue, it’s being treated as a genuine biological branch of gender. Kids are believing they are now ‘furries’ because of a tick-tok trend and everyone has to pretend. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 21:00]
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