| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders 12:58 - Oct 3 with 3404 views | Thrasher6 |
I know I'm raking over old ground but I watched the 4 episodes this week and it was pretty enlightening for someone who hasn't really delved that deeply into the case. In fact I'm still undecided as to who did it. Is it still a major source of intrigue, or has it all died down a bit since the 'perpetrator's' death in prison. |  |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 16:07 - Oct 3 with 3320 views | 1983 |
I think it will be one of those things we'll never know.
Loads of evidence leaning towards the SWP and lot of covering up by them on that night and ever since. |  |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 15:50 - Oct 7 with 3057 views | controversial_jack |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 16:07 - Oct 3 by 1983 |
I think it will be one of those things we'll never know.
Loads of evidence leaning towards the SWP and lot of covering up by them on that night and ever since. |
Very possible. SWP, are allegedly not the most principled force in the UK |  | | |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 16:49 - Jan 12 with 2141 views | trampie |
I seen Dai Morris sister been interviewed a few months back by that Kardiff fan that has done some Swansea vlogs and the solicitors/barristers representing Morris were hopeless she was saying, the mistakes and open goals they were missing was terrible, the story about the policeman and the matches and the electric cooker, shocking and Morris brief did not know the cooker was electric he could have pinned the policeman in open court but did not know that the cooker was electric, shocking. |  |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 17:55 - Jan 12 with 2071 views | paulmatthews |
I have read the book and watched the series.What was that about the stove? | | | |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 18:15 - Jan 12 with 2029 views | trampie |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 17:55 - Jan 12 by paulmatthews |
I have read the book and watched the series.What was that about the stove? |
Your are testing my memory now, I think when the policeman was in the box the barrister asked him did you ever touch a box of matches in the house, he must have thought they have my dna on the matches so said yes, why - to light the stove and it was left at that, when the barrister should have been all over it as the cooker was electric, so what was the policeman doing handling matches in the property, never been upstairs then oh yes I've been upstairs, then the video the neighbour returned on the night of the murder found at the police peoples house if i recall, how did it end up there ?, I can't remember exactly without watching it all again, but those 3 things were things I had not seen in newspaper reports or seen in documentaries.
I also didn't know that Michael Mansfield was unable to represent him due to a prior engagement so they had somebody else and he was terrible according to the sister. | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 21:32 - Jan 12 with 1960 views | KeithHaynes |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 18:15 - Jan 12 by trampie |
Your are testing my memory now, I think when the policeman was in the box the barrister asked him did you ever touch a box of matches in the house, he must have thought they have my dna on the matches so said yes, why - to light the stove and it was left at that, when the barrister should have been all over it as the cooker was electric, so what was the policeman doing handling matches in the property, never been upstairs then oh yes I've been upstairs, then the video the neighbour returned on the night of the murder found at the police peoples house if i recall, how did it end up there ?, I can't remember exactly without watching it all again, but those 3 things were things I had not seen in newspaper reports or seen in documentaries.
I also didn't know that Michael Mansfield was unable to represent him due to a prior engagement so they had somebody else and he was terrible according to the sister. |
I’m also assuming too many cooks spoil a good conspiracy. I’m not sure the copper thought that, he was probably telling the truth and it was a log burner, mobile welder or a bbq. The barristers I’ve met wouldn’t be as stupid to miss that. But then I’ve read so much about this and seen a variety of documentaries I reckon he had gloves on and was in the wrong house. |  |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 22:19 - Jan 12 with 1920 views | trampie |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 21:32 - Jan 12 by KeithHaynes |
I’m also assuming too many cooks spoil a good conspiracy. I’m not sure the copper thought that, he was probably telling the truth and it was a log burner, mobile welder or a bbq. The barristers I’ve met wouldn’t be as stupid to miss that. But then I’ve read so much about this and seen a variety of documentaries I reckon he had gloves on and was in the wrong house. |
This one was, watch the video, the sister went nuts on him in the night after the days proceedings, he argued she was wrong about the cooker and then when he checked the records/file he realised he was wrong and apologised to her but it was too late the guy was off the stand.
Perhaps he was a last minute stand in as the star barrister that was going to represent Morris had to pull out. | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 23:24 - Jan 12 with 1870 views | jack_lord |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 21:32 - Jan 12 by KeithHaynes |
I’m also assuming too many cooks spoil a good conspiracy. I’m not sure the copper thought that, he was probably telling the truth and it was a log burner, mobile welder or a bbq. The barristers I’ve met wouldn’t be as stupid to miss that. But then I’ve read so much about this and seen a variety of documentaries I reckon he had gloves on and was in the wrong house. |
That's right about barristers. They get paid a lot of money for a reason.
There are a few of us who may be from Clydach and will be quite sensitive to this subject because of family and friends. |  |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 23:29 - Jan 12 with 1869 views | Wingstandwood |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 22:19 - Jan 12 by trampie |
This one was, watch the video, the sister went nuts on him in the night after the days proceedings, he argued she was wrong about the cooker and then when he checked the records/file he realised he was wrong and apologised to her but it was too late the guy was off the stand.
Perhaps he was a last minute stand in as the star barrister that was going to represent Morris had to pull out. |
The Clydach Murders story ended one hundred miles away from Swansea (hearing/case number 135033 not reported) with Morris's cause of death noted as "natural causes".
Oh, so it’s now all about the electric cooker, despite the fact that two of the falsely accused would have required a certain Time Lord’s Tardis to be together on the night of the murders. I guess that is why the defense never mentioned the importance of the electric cooker during the trial? And why the CCRC never took it onboard? LOL!!!!
The latest installment (and I am NOT kidding) of "make believe" is that the Clydach Murders was a IRA/South Wales Police/Labour government conspiracy centered around Neath police station, with the participation of the very female involved in the notorious ‘honey-trap’ murders that happened during the early 1970’s.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne
Apparently according to some idiots, she was the E-Fit female taxi passenger seen near Clydach murder scene, whom despite being described by numerous as being around thirty in 1999, would have been vastly closer to SIXTY years of age on the actual night the murders took place.
And to think the IRA/South Wales Police/Labour government decided to murder an entire family on the busiest night of the week after a Welsh rugby game, in a built up area, with houses on all sides and when neighbours were most likely to be awake with no work in the morning. How very IRA Active Service Unit-ish is that hey?
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 06:39 - Jan 13 with 1762 views | Dr_Winston |
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The Clydach Murders story ended one hundred miles away from Swansea (hearing/case number 135033 not reported) with Morris's cause of death noted as "natural causes".
Oh, so it’s now all about the electric cooker, despite the fact that two of the falsely accused would have required a certain Time Lord’s Tardis to be together on the night of the murders. I guess that is why the defense never mentioned the importance of the electric cooker during the trial? And why the CCRC never took it onboard? LOL!!!!
The latest installment (and I am NOT kidding) of "make believe" is that the Clydach Murders was a IRA/South Wales Police/Labour government conspiracy centered around Neath police station, with the participation of the very female involved in the notorious ‘honey-trap’ murders that happened during the early 1970’s.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne
Apparently according to some idiots, she was the E-Fit female taxi passenger seen near Clydach murder scene, whom despite being described by numerous as being around thirty in 1999, would have been vastly closer to SIXTY years of age on the actual night the murders took place.
And to think the IRA/South Wales Police/Labour government decided to murder an entire family on the busiest night of the week after a Welsh rugby game, in a built up area, with houses on all sides and when neighbours were most likely to be awake with no work in the morning. How very IRA Active Service Unit-ish is that hey?
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Innit.
Or, the violent psychopath with a long history of hitting people over the head with stuff, who lied repeatedly about his activities that evening, left his personal property at the scene (then lied about that too), whose male line DNA was identified once the science caught up, and had multiple trials and appeals actually did it. |  |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 09:38 - Jan 13 with 1694 views | Wingstandwood |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 06:39 - Jan 13 by Dr_Winston |
Innit.
Or, the violent psychopath with a long history of hitting people over the head with stuff, who lied repeatedly about his activities that evening, left his personal property at the scene (then lied about that too), whose male line DNA was identified once the science caught up, and had multiple trials and appeals actually did it. |
It got so bad for Morris during the guildhall-annex trial that it was remarked that there was a serious danger of him trying to throw himself (is it still there?) off the fire escape to the rear of the court where the prison service sweatbox was entering and exiting. | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 10:02 - Jan 13 with 1671 views | onehunglow |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 23:24 - Jan 12 by jack_lord |
That's right about barristers. They get paid a lot of money for a reason.
There are a few of us who may be from Clydach and will be quite sensitive to this subject because of family and friends. |
Barristers don’t ya just love em
Truth seekers concerned only about justice | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 10:05 - Jan 13 with 1668 views | onehunglow |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 09:38 - Jan 13 by Wingstandwood |
It got so bad for Morris during the guildhall-annex trial that it was remarked that there was a serious danger of him trying to throw himself (is it still there?) off the fire escape to the rear of the court where the prison service sweatbox was entering and exiting. |
Cracking analysis
I’d like to add my own observations but it’s like uber gossip in a small valley town , the stuff that always terrified me
My father and his lot were small village denizens and they left their mark on me
I’m
Still recovering from what Trampie spouted regarding Terry Yorath and the fact some agreed with him
We’re a strange bunch aren’t we ?
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 10:51 - Jan 13 with 1643 views | Wingstandwood |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 10:05 - Jan 13 by onehunglow |
Cracking analysis
I’d like to add my own observations but it’s like uber gossip in a small valley town , the stuff that always terrified me
My father and his lot were small village denizens and they left their mark on me
I’m
Still recovering from what Trampie spouted regarding Terry Yorath and the fact some agreed with him
We’re a strange bunch aren’t we ?
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Respect (and congratulations!) to South Wales Police who had to navigate through a fog of urban myths, hairdresser salon/bingo hall standard gossip, lies and make believe.
This was an utterly unique case, where apparently according to some, there was a conspiracy involving an utterly disconnected chain of participants and collaborators. Well over a hundred were involved and everyone has remained silent to this day.
It included the murderers, South Wales Police, FSS, CPS, the IRA, the Labour Government, (got a mention) Jack Straw, a telecom company, witnesses and judge.
It was akin to the movie Rosemary's Baby where everyone was involved in the plot. Rosemary was living in an apartment block and everyone in it was a member if a satanic cult, including her own husband!
Why hasn’t anyone come up and suggested the involvement of The Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain? Surely they must also have been involved along with Billy Smarts Circus and Lord Lucan? | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 11:21 - Jan 13 with 1624 views | onehunglow |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 10:51 - Jan 13 by Wingstandwood |
Respect (and congratulations!) to South Wales Police who had to navigate through a fog of urban myths, hairdresser salon/bingo hall standard gossip, lies and make believe.
This was an utterly unique case, where apparently according to some, there was a conspiracy involving an utterly disconnected chain of participants and collaborators. Well over a hundred were involved and everyone has remained silent to this day.
It included the murderers, South Wales Police, FSS, CPS, the IRA, the Labour Government, (got a mention) Jack Straw, a telecom company, witnesses and judge.
It was akin to the movie Rosemary's Baby where everyone was involved in the plot. Rosemary was living in an apartment block and everyone in it was a member if a satanic cult, including her own husband!
Why hasn’t anyone come up and suggested the involvement of The Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain? Surely they must also have been involved along with Billy Smarts Circus and Lord Lucan? |
Polanski eh
Anyway, point of order … nowt wrong with Uke
I have one myself
And no George Formby mainly played a Banjoline | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 14:49 - Jan 13 with 1539 views | trampie |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 21:32 - Jan 12 by KeithHaynes |
I’m also assuming too many cooks spoil a good conspiracy. I’m not sure the copper thought that, he was probably telling the truth and it was a log burner, mobile welder or a bbq. The barristers I’ve met wouldn’t be as stupid to miss that. But then I’ve read so much about this and seen a variety of documentaries I reckon he had gloves on and was in the wrong house. |
Watch the programme its only 48mins long, ive just revisited it it was done in Nov 22, the policeman was asked why did you touch the matches and he said to light the stove, well the stove was electric !, the solicitor did not know, the woman says the solicitor knew nothing about the case at all, p*ss poor was the phrase.
The solicitors/qc's/barristers were hopeless if they were legit ?, were they legit ? listen to what the woman says, it makes you wonder.
As regards the chain it had been forensically analysed by police experts and they found nothing, at a later date it ended up with a jewellers and the jeweller said oh look there is paint on this chain that the forensic people had not seen, amazing, I might have been born at night but it was not last night.
How come the film that the neighbour had posted through the letter box (blockbust thing that had to go back), ended up in the policeman's house.
The guy doing the interview said if Morris was still alive he would be out now, the sister seemed to be sure that if Mansfield had handled the case he would not have been guilty, which underlines my point of its not about being guilty or not guilty but who can win the game in court, the sisters take was that it was not so much that the prosecution guy was good just that Morris guys were terrible and Mansfield would have eaten Harrington alive if they had gone head to head.
Was Morris guilty beyond reasonable doubt ?, he was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt but should he have been ?, who did the murders was it Morris or AN Other(s) is another question that only God knows or if the murderer is still alive knows, since its impossible to know on what we know who did it in reality, the question is was it beyond reasonable doubt that Morris did it. | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 01:41 - Jan 14 with 1376 views | Robbie |
Was living in Clydach at that time , not far from the awful results of these murders .
Even close to 30 years later , the locals I come across from my past still have doubts .
Clydach murders will forever be a thorn in the side that tidy community . | | | |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 13:15 - Jan 14 with 1256 views | Wingstandwood |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 01:41 - Jan 14 by Robbie |
Was living in Clydach at that time , not far from the awful results of these murders .
Even close to 30 years later , the locals I come across from my past still have doubts .
Clydach murders will forever be a thorn in the side that tidy community . |
Well they would have their doubts, because from where they are standing? They more than obviously have never had any access to crown court transcripts, never attended the trials(s) and never read any CCRC judgment.
Types who have repeatedly fallen for ever changing false narratives, lies and (victim’s family words) 'make-believe' that shamelessly changes from one day to the next, just like the weather.
And onto “the cooker and matches” i.e. one moment a Morris appeal solicitor was saying that the murderer(s) were "exceptionally careful and competent in the way they covered up after themselves".
THE NEXT others close to ‘campaign’ change like the weather to come out and say that a (falsely accused) cop refused to "cover up for himself" by refusing to wear gloves, and not only that then refused to dispose of used matches, despite the extreme risk of leaving DNA evidence behind at the crime scene.
How "exceptionally careful and competent" is that hey? What experienced cop would act like that hey? Seriously?
Add that to the 'make believe' that the plumbing system was removed by the murderer, despite the fact that bloodied water had never been drained through the plumbing system anyhow. The plug and bath contents remained in-situ. So why remove the plumbing system in the first place? And add even more debunked 'make believe' etc's to that also.
And onto the ‘video’ witness described by many as a “pathological liar” and “fantasist”, because evidence and stark reality had (beyond ALL reasonable doubt) PROVED that. | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 13:54 - Jan 14 with 1231 views | trampie |
The police behaviour was unbelievable, why did the policemen in the frame behave like they did ?, why ?, unbelievable incompetence or did they have something to hide?
Stories of a certain policeman could not remember what he did for hours during the night, lost his notebook, did not secure the scene, failed to report 4 murders to his bosses at the end of the shift, etc etc.
Photo fits and descriptions looking like one of the policeman, witness sees and hears a threat by that person towards the dead woman, policeman's wife (an ex policewoman) jumps out of a window and ends up in a mental institution where she can't be interviewed.
The reason why people are dubious is the lack of evidence against the convicted, as there seemed to be as many doubts if not more doubts about other people in the case, not to mention who had the motive to do such a thing.
South Wales police have a terrible record of botched cases and as many of the public see it of fitting up people, Cardiff 5, Darvell's, high profile cases where the police turned out to be totally untrustworthy.
The conduct of the police in the Clydach murders was terrible, so suspicion falls on some of them and why they failed to do their job properly.
I've no idea who did it, don't think the case was proved without reasonable doubt, if somebody connected to the police didn't do it then is the only possible explanation for some of the police behaviour involved in the case was that they thought their brother or wife or sister in law had done it hence why the way they didn't seem to carry out their jobs properly. | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 14:23 - Jan 14 with 1203 views | Wingstandwood |
| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 13:54 - Jan 14 by trampie |
The police behaviour was unbelievable, why did the policemen in the frame behave like they did ?, why ?, unbelievable incompetence or did they have something to hide?
Stories of a certain policeman could not remember what he did for hours during the night, lost his notebook, did not secure the scene, failed to report 4 murders to his bosses at the end of the shift, etc etc.
Photo fits and descriptions looking like one of the policeman, witness sees and hears a threat by that person towards the dead woman, policeman's wife (an ex policewoman) jumps out of a window and ends up in a mental institution where she can't be interviewed.
The reason why people are dubious is the lack of evidence against the convicted, as there seemed to be as many doubts if not more doubts about other people in the case, not to mention who had the motive to do such a thing.
South Wales police have a terrible record of botched cases and as many of the public see it of fitting up people, Cardiff 5, Darvell's, high profile cases where the police turned out to be totally untrustworthy.
The conduct of the police in the Clydach murders was terrible, so suspicion falls on some of them and why they failed to do their job properly.
I've no idea who did it, don't think the case was proved without reasonable doubt, if somebody connected to the police didn't do it then is the only possible explanation for some of the police behaviour involved in the case was that they thought their brother or wife or sister in law had done it hence why the way they didn't seem to carry out their jobs properly. |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 14:32 - Jan 14 with 1196 views | trampie |
No answer to the police behaviour in the case Wingstanwood ?
How can you not report the murders, secure the scene, not remember where you where for hours, lose your note book etc, the fire service was said to have been astounded by the behaviour.
Doesn't mean that person had anything to do with the murders, perhaps they were just totally incompetent who knows hey ? | |
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| Murder in the Valleys - Clydach murders on 15:56 - Jan 14 with 1149 views | paulmatthews |
Can’t argue with that it’s all true | | | |
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