| I see Jezza is back then 10:15 - Nov 18 with 747 views | onehunglow |
Hollow apology and no retraction .Just what a gutless show by Starmer.
Jewish Labour members seething at this pitiful decision.
He could and should however have the Whip taken away. We ll see today.
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| I see Jezza is back then on 10:19 - Nov 18 with 477 views | YrAlarch |
You cannot blame Starmer for a decision that was not his to make.
Before you go slagging him off, why don't you wait and see what action he takes in regard to Corbin's re-entry to the Parliamentary group.
Then you can take measure of him. | | | |
| I see Jezza is back then on 10:29 - Nov 18 with 464 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 10:19 - Nov 18 by YrAlarch |
You cannot blame Starmer for a decision that was not his to make.
Before you go slagging him off, why don't you wait and see what action he takes in regard to Corbin's re-entry to the Parliamentary group.
Then you can take measure of him. |
Ok then friend ,sorry to upset your morning over Sir Keir.
Let us see indeed.
However, before you go slagging me off ,wait and see if Jezza actually apologises for the treatment given to Jewish MPs like Berger and Ellman. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 10:49 - Nov 18 with 459 views | exhmrc1 |
| I see Jezza is back then on 10:29 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
Ok then friend ,sorry to upset your morning over Sir Keir.
Let us see indeed.
However, before you go slagging me off ,wait and see if Jezza actually apologises for the treatment given to Jewish MPs like Berger and Ellman. |
You are wrong to blame Starmer. The reality is that he has been undermined by his National Executive and in particular momentum and I believe his position has now been made untenable. Whilst momentum control his party he has major problems. The likes of Mcdonell, Corbyn and Co are untouchable despite Starmer's attempts to improve the situation. | | | |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:04 - Nov 18 with 452 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 10:29 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
Ok then friend ,sorry to upset your morning over Sir Keir.
Let us see indeed.
However, before you go slagging me off ,wait and see if Jezza actually apologises for the treatment given to Jewish MPs like Berger and Ellman. |
Both those two were seen as traitors to the Labour party, they were accused of encouraging people not to vote Labour and working against the Labour party and the then Labour leader.
And I'm not a Labour voter but that is what a lot of Labour grassroots people were saying about them (and a few others as well it has to be said).
It's amazing how these Jewish people get to the top of the Labour party yet there are all these accusations that Labour is anti-Semitic, it's amazing, there again I might have been born at night but it wasn't last night. |  |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:07 - Nov 18 with 451 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 10:49 - Nov 18 by exhmrc1 |
You are wrong to blame Starmer. The reality is that he has been undermined by his National Executive and in particular momentum and I believe his position has now been made untenable. Whilst momentum control his party he has major problems. The likes of Mcdonell, Corbyn and Co are untouchable despite Starmer's attempts to improve the situation. |
Not sure it's "blame".
Starmer is the party leader and the bucks stops there. If it doesn't then he should resign. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:10 - Nov 18 with 445 views | trampie |
Why isn't Bojo pressured to resign ?, watermelon smiles and letterboxes.
Right wing media with their right wing agenda of keeping the right wing in power might well have a lot to do with it. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:13 - Nov 18 with 442 views | Catullus |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:07 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
Not sure it's "blame".
Starmer is the party leader and the bucks stops there. If it doesn't then he should resign. |
Starmer didn't kick Jezza out, the NEC did. Starmer needs to do soemthing though or Labour will be in thw wilderness for years. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:14 - Nov 18 with 439 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:10 - Nov 18 by trampie |
Why isn't Bojo pressured to resign ?, watermelon smiles and letterboxes.
Right wing media with their right wing agenda of keeping the right wing in power might well have a lot to do with it. |
That s a great phrase that ,tramps.
Bojo is taking the Tories into an electoral Armageddon.He wont be standing for the next election unless they are truly bereft of any idea-which is possible. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:17 - Nov 18 with 436 views | Catullus |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:04 - Nov 18 by trampie |
Both those two were seen as traitors to the Labour party, they were accused of encouraging people not to vote Labour and working against the Labour party and the then Labour leader.
And I'm not a Labour voter but that is what a lot of Labour grassroots people were saying about them (and a few others as well it has to be said).
It's amazing how these Jewish people get to the top of the Labour party yet there are all these accusations that Labour is anti-Semitic, it's amazing, there again I might have been born at night but it wasn't last night. |
For a non Labour voter you don't half spend a lot of time defending Corbyn.
Labours big problem is Momentum and the remaining Corbynites.
People have called Bojo racist and sexist but there are non whites and women in Government. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:20 - Nov 18 with 434 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:13 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
Starmer didn't kick Jezza out, the NEC did. Starmer needs to do soemthing though or Labour will be in thw wilderness for years. |
Don't encourage Starmer too much, perpetual Tory rule will hasten the end of the UK union much quicker, leave them carry on with you know:- Labour are anti-Semitic, Labour are Communists, Labour are terrorist sympathisers, Labour will bankrupt the economy, etc etc
And Wales might be free, with a socialist Government, no German queen, no unelected political chamber etc etc. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:24 - Nov 18 with 428 views | Catullus |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:20 - Nov 18 by trampie |
Don't encourage Starmer too much, perpetual Tory rule will hasten the end of the UK union much quicker, leave them carry on with you know:- Labour are anti-Semitic, Labour are Communists, Labour are terrorist sympathisers, Labour will bankrupt the economy, etc etc
And Wales might be free, with a socialist Government, no German queen, no unelected political chamber etc etc. |
True but then the Senedd would have no excuses for it's failures.
Socialism....be very careful what you wish for. Can you name a socialist state that's doing well? | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:26 - Nov 18 with 426 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:17 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
For a non Labour voter you don't half spend a lot of time defending Corbyn.
Labours big problem is Momentum and the remaining Corbynites.
People have called Bojo racist and sexist but there are non whites and women in Government. |
That is because I pride myself on fairplay and a number is being done on Corbyn, yes Corbyn is a Tory, why was he in Labour under Toby Blair if he is not a Tory ?, yes Corbyn has never done a proper days work and is a posh boy and has no place in Labour, but the way Corbyn has been dissed by the media is disgraceful. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:26 - Nov 18 with 426 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:24 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
True but then the Senedd would have no excuses for it's failures.
Socialism....be very careful what you wish for. Can you name a socialist state that's doing well? |
Socialism is a laudable concept but no more than that as it goes against human nature which is to look after and provide for self and family first. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:34 - Nov 18 with 417 views | Professor |
Does not have the whip returned. Essentially is a member of the party, but is not a Labour MP. | | | |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:34 - Nov 18 with 414 views | felixstowe_jack |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:20 - Nov 18 by trampie |
Don't encourage Starmer too much, perpetual Tory rule will hasten the end of the UK union much quicker, leave them carry on with you know:- Labour are anti-Semitic, Labour are Communists, Labour are terrorist sympathisers, Labour will bankrupt the economy, etc etc
And Wales might be free, with a socialist Government, no German queen, no unelected political chamber etc etc. |
If you really think a permanent labour government in Wales will improve the life of the Welsh people you really were born last night.
20 years of misrule under the Assembly. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:34 - Nov 18 with 416 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:24 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
True but then the Senedd would have no excuses for it's failures.
Socialism....be very careful what you wish for. Can you name a socialist state that's doing well? |
There we are then if you want an independent Wales carry on with Labour are anti-Semitic, Labour are terrorist sympathisers, Labour are Communists and Labour will bankrupt the economy, if you don't want an independent Wales challenge the false accusations against Labour, I'm a Plaid voter and have been for decades and decades but those four accusations I've listed against Labour are all false. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:51 - Nov 18 with 400 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:34 - Nov 18 by felixstowe_jack |
If you really think a permanent labour government in Wales will improve the life of the Welsh people you really were born last night.
20 years of misrule under the Assembly. |
Oh no, I'm a Plaid voter, the Labour party abandoned me after Foot lost in 83 and Labour went on to became a Tory lite party, I voted Plaid from that point onwards.
The overall trend of Labour in Wales is one of decline, a tipping point is not that far away. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:57 - Nov 18 with 391 views | felixstowe_jack |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:51 - Nov 18 by trampie |
Oh no, I'm a Plaid voter, the Labour party abandoned me after Foot lost in 83 and Labour went on to became a Tory lite party, I voted Plaid from that point onwards.
The overall trend of Labour in Wales is one of decline, a tipping point is not that far away. |
Possibly another generation away until the mining areas even think another party other than labour exist. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 11:59 - Nov 18 with 389 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:57 - Nov 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Possibly another generation away until the mining areas even think another party other than labour exist. |
I recall Michael Foot getting whole lot of tick over Ebbw Valesteel closing.Pits were closed under Labour and the Aberfan disaster occured under the appalling National Coal Board | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 12:00 - Nov 18 with 388 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:57 - Nov 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Possibly another generation away until the mining areas even think another party other than labour exist. |
That has always been my take that once the mining generation die off then Labours grip on Wales will loosen or they will even loose their grip on Wales entirely. | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 12:08 - Nov 18 with 384 views | exhmrc1 |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:07 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
Not sure it's "blame".
Starmer is the party leader and the bucks stops there. If it doesn't then he should resign. |
He doesnt have any say who is expelled from the party. That is a National Executive decision unfortunately but it undermines him totally. | | | |
| I see Jezza is back then on 12:16 - Nov 18 with 379 views | trampie |
| I see Jezza is back then on 11:59 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
I recall Michael Foot getting whole lot of tick over Ebbw Valesteel closing.Pits were closed under Labour and the Aberfan disaster occured under the appalling National Coal Board |
The FWA had to step in to make sure the bereaved in Aberfan got compo by threat of bombing the UK state. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 15:41]
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| I see Jezza is back then on 12:21 - Nov 18 with 376 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 10:19 - Nov 18 by YrAlarch |
You cannot blame Starmer for a decision that was not his to make.
Before you go slagging him off, why don't you wait and see what action he takes in regard to Corbin's re-entry to the Parliamentary group.
Then you can take measure of him. |
Apparently,Starmer won't have him back as an MP so well done.
Jezza should resign and stand as an independent for the poor/workers/deprived/ethnic monorities/LGBT++
See.! | |
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| I see Jezza is back then on 15:37 - Nov 18 with 345 views | YrAlarch |
| I see Jezza is back then on 12:21 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
Apparently,Starmer won't have him back as an MP so well done.
Jezza should resign and stand as an independent for the poor/workers/deprived/ethnic monorities/LGBT++
See.! |
Yes it's good to see a Labour Party Leader with backbone.
If he had not taken that action I would have been the first to criticise him.
And btw, I would not slag you off, you are entitled to your opinion but please don't pre-judge. You may well be right about 'Jezza'. | | | |
| I see Jezza is back then on 15:54 - Nov 18 with 320 views | onehunglow |
| I see Jezza is back then on 15:37 - Nov 18 by YrAlarch |
Yes it's good to see a Labour Party Leader with backbone.
If he had not taken that action I would have been the first to criticise him.
And btw, I would not slag you off, you are entitled to your opinion but please don't pre-judge. You may well be right about 'Jezza'. |
Thanks and fair comment .
I respect that,really. | |
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