| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 206605 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 01:37 - Mar 23 with 1854 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:34 - Mar 22 by QPR_John |
Corbyn was not simply critical of the EU he was opposed to it. |
Show me one verified quote or article where he is opposed to the actual existence of the EU.
Not critical of, opposed to. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 02:44 - Mar 23 with 1828 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:15 - Mar 22 by QPR_Jim |
I've said before that I think another remain/leave vote is the only fair way to solve this issue, with a follow up question for leave of deal or no deal. I'd even agree to a 60% remain vote required to overturn the original vote.
The only issue I can find with that plan is that we haven't really addressed the points you raise in your post. The remain campaign will probably have learnt nothing and there's nothing to stop leave making terrible claims as you put it. It all hinges on the voters being more informed after over 2 years of this so they can ignore the politicians and make up their own minds. |
As much as I dislike the idea of another referendum,if we do have one and there are 3 options on the ballot paper,it would have to made that the totals for the 2 leave options were added together as a single leave total.If that option beats remain you then count which leave option got the most votes and go with that idea.
Why did 85% of MPs vote to trigger article 50 2 years ago when the majority of them wanted to remain,and are doing everything they can to stop us leaving? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:27 - Mar 23 with 1798 views | Mistication92 |
Because those MPs felt bound by the idiotic "will of the people" argument put forward by mouth breathers. The electorate couldn't handle a nuanced argument of "We respect the referendum but triggering A50 before we know how to approach the negotiations is madness".
Also May felt under pressure from her right-wingers to trigger and she didn't want to have a discussion within her Cabinet about what to ask for in the negotiations because that would've underlined the fact that her party was split several ways about how to approach Brexit. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:33 - Mar 23 with 1794 views | traininvain |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 01:37 - Mar 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Show me one verified quote or article where he is opposed to the actual existence of the EU.
Not critical of, opposed to. |
Bazza, as a staunch Corbyn supporter, I was hoping you’d enlighten us as to why Corbyn can meet with Hamas, IRA etc yet storms out of a meeting with a former colleague in attendance? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 07:24 - Mar 23 with 1772 views | derbyhoop |
So, this week, we've had May meeting opposition parties until the leader of the main opposition party walked out. The others said it was all show as she wasn't really listening.
Then she has a go at the MPs, whose votes she will need if the deal, agreed over 2 years of negotiations is to pass.
Reluctantly, she went to the EU council to beg (BEG) for an extension to June. A 90 minute speech to the EU27 offered no new ideas. They then made her leave the room while they discussed the request. Finally they offered Apr 12 or May22.
The 1922 committee have called for her resignation.
She may not even put the Agreement to a vote.
The Speaker may not allow it without substantial changes, any way.
Cross party MPs are going to try and take control of the process.
Petition to revoke A50 passes 3m signatures.
Farage's band of stragglers reaches Yorkshire. No sign of Farage after the PR stunt at the start.
I cant see how May can last beyond April.
I think we'll end up by crashing out - accidentally.
No deal is far and away the worst possible option.
And we'll be begging to get back in within 10 years.
National humiliation on a grand scale. 90% agree. What on earth are the other 10% thinking.
And next week will just add more excitement. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:03 - Mar 23 with 1745 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:58 - Mar 22 by QPR_John |
The EU deal has been negotiated by the PM, some actually call it Mays deal, and rejected by parliament. So it is parliament and all those labour politicians not to mention Jeremy Corbyn who are xenophobic as you are suggesting by wanting a British deal for British people as you quaintly you put it. I think you need to rethink your post [Post edited 22 Mar 2019 18:16]
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It was very obviously a joke aimed at Little Englanders, mate. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:11 - Mar 23 with 1729 views | Northernr |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 01:37 - Mar 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Show me one verified quote or article where he is opposed to the actual existence of the EU.
Not critical of, opposed to. |
Why do we need an article? We can just look at his voting record can't we?
- Voted against Britain's membership of European Economic Community in the 1975 referendum.
- Spoke repeatedly in parliament and voted against the creation of the European Union under the Maastricht Treaty in 1993.
- Voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008.
- Voted against the creation of EU diplomatic service in 2010.
- Voted in favour of the referendum on EU membership which caused all this mess in 2011, against the Labour whip.
- Voted against the creation of EU's stability mechanism for members in financial trouble in 2011.
- Opposed UK participation in EU banking authority in 2012.
- Voted in favour of UK leaving the EU and the process to start no later than 31 March, in December 2016.
- Voted in favour of PM starting the process to leave in February 2017.
- Voted against Britain remaining in single market and sacked Labour MPs who voted in favour of it in summer 2017.
I mean if he's not opposed to the EU, he's hiding it really well.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:15 - Mar 23 with 1724 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:33 - Mar 23 by traininvain |
Bazza, as a staunch Corbyn supporter, I was hoping you’d enlighten us as to why Corbyn can meet with Hamas, IRA etc yet storms out of a meeting with a former colleague in attendance? |
This is a piece of piss.
1) Corbyn was in the meeting for 20 minutes before he left. Hardly storming out.
2) Vince Cable also left citing it the meeting ‘a waste of time’.
3) Corbyn has never negotiated with Hamas, the IRA, or Hezbollah. He has never been in govement. The U.K. govement however has ( see Willy Whitelaw for example). When he used that infamous quote ‘our friends from Hamas’ the Israeli govement and US governments were also present under the same guise of good faith.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:31 - Mar 23 with 1689 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:11 - Mar 23 by Northernr |
Why do we need an article? We can just look at his voting record can't we?
- Voted against Britain's membership of European Economic Community in the 1975 referendum.
- Spoke repeatedly in parliament and voted against the creation of the European Union under the Maastricht Treaty in 1993.
- Voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008.
- Voted against the creation of EU diplomatic service in 2010.
- Voted in favour of the referendum on EU membership which caused all this mess in 2011, against the Labour whip.
- Voted against the creation of EU's stability mechanism for members in financial trouble in 2011.
- Opposed UK participation in EU banking authority in 2012.
- Voted in favour of UK leaving the EU and the process to start no later than 31 March, in December 2016.
- Voted in favour of PM starting the process to leave in February 2017.
- Voted against Britain remaining in single market and sacked Labour MPs who voted in favour of it in summer 2017.
I mean if he's not opposed to the EU, he's hiding it really well.
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Another easy one.
The whole country of Ireland (the most pro EU country out of the 27) also rejected the Lisbon treaty until asked a second time. Yvette Cooper, darling of the Centrists, also voted against a lot of those. Are the entire Irish nation and Yvette Cooper also anti EU?
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10131/yvette_cooper/normanton%2C_pontefract_an
Q) Is Corbyn critical of the EU?
A) YES, and so should any sane person be
Q) Is Corbyn anti EU and did he vote leave?
A) NO
His problem is he’s too fcking honest. You’d all like him more if he was one of the bland MPs that change their mind like a fcking weathervane like Chukka Umunna
‘I’d give the EU 7 out of 10’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36506163/corbyn-i-m-seve | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:34 - Mar 23 with 1682 views | GloryHunter |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:16 - Mar 22 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Deal voted down
May gone by 12th April
NO Mp's will vote for A50 repeal
Extension for 1/2 years
Tory's in meltdown.
Labour headless chickens.
UKIP back on the radar.
What's changed?
I heard Lucy Powell his morning going on about a plan, asking the EU for what Cameron asked for on restricted free movement.. you know, that thing the EU rejected and started off the referendum  |
"what Cameron asked for on restricted free movement."
This was so much hot air. The UK has always had the right to deport EU nationals if they are not in employment after three months, and Cameron knew it. Germany does it all the time - Polish worker claims benefits? - three months max, and then escorted to the border. The reason the UK has never done it is because we don't keep records at points of entry, and don't even know how many EU citizens are here.
The UK has always been very good at cocking things up and then blaming it on "EU rules". |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:45 - Mar 23 with 1670 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 02:44 - Mar 23 by stowmarketrange |
As much as I dislike the idea of another referendum,if we do have one and there are 3 options on the ballot paper,it would have to made that the totals for the 2 leave options were added together as a single leave total.If that option beats remain you then count which leave option got the most votes and go with that idea.
Why did 85% of MPs vote to trigger article 50 2 years ago when the majority of them wanted to remain,and are doing everything they can to stop us leaving? |
That's my point, you have two questions leave/remain and if we leave deal or no deal. Obviously if the remain vote gets 60% the second question is irrelevant but you ask so that if leave wins (which quite a few posters on here are confident of) then you have a learning direction to government of whether to vote for May's deal or no deal.
That's why 85% voted to trigger article 50, because it was the result of the referendum. May's deal and no deal weren't on the ballot paper so is open to interpretation. This is clear with leave supporters both supporting and opposing May's deal.
This is how I see it resolved fairly, so when people point out remain won't get 60% or whatever else the answer is that I don't care, it's what I think would bring people together. We would have a chance to check the will is still there to leave, learn from the last referendum and put a limit on a winning margin to change direction and everyone would get a say in our future arrangement, not just politicians. Quite frankly if remain don't learn from the last referendum and still can't get support then we might as well leave, we then just have to make sure we're doing it in a way that the majority of people want to. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:01 - Mar 23 with 1600 views | traininvain |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:15 - Mar 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
This is a piece of piss.
1) Corbyn was in the meeting for 20 minutes before he left. Hardly storming out.
2) Vince Cable also left citing it the meeting ‘a waste of time’.
3) Corbyn has never negotiated with Hamas, the IRA, or Hezbollah. He has never been in govement. The U.K. govement however has ( see Willy Whitelaw for example). When he used that infamous quote ‘our friends from Hamas’ the Israeli govement and US governments were also present under the same guise of good faith.
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Jeremy Corbyn in 2015 on why he met Hizbollah: “you have to talk to people with whom you may profoundly disagree”
Obviously less important when it’s only the future of the country at stake. Maybe if they’d stuck a terrorist in the meeting he would’ve stayed.
I find it absolutely mental the lengths his supporters go to to justify him. Their cultism is one of the most alarming elements of the Labour Party right now; he could do some legitimately evil shit and they’d just carry on defending him. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:24 - Mar 23 with 1578 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:01 - Mar 23 by traininvain |
Matthew Garrahan
@MattGarrahan
Jeremy Corbyn in 2015 on why he met Hizbollah: “you have to talk to people with whom you may profoundly disagree”
Obviously less important when it’s only the future of the country at stake. Maybe if they’d stuck a terrorist in the meeting he would’ve stayed.
I find it absolutely mental the lengths his supporters go to to justify him. Their cultism is one of the most alarming elements of the Labour Party right now; he could do some legitimately evil shit and they’d just carry on defending him. |
On a PoO
Hizbollah, met with leaders, rightly or wrongly.
Chuka is not a leader or have a party.
Will be out on his ear in another GE.
A nonentity.
Only loved by the BBC as he hangs around the cameras outside the HoP.
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On reflection of the above, JC did not represent anyone when he met Hizbollah.
Chuka now funded by a Tory
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/chuka-umanna-conservative-donor-jeremy-isaacs/ [Post edited 23 Mar 2019 10:56]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:28 - Mar 23 with 1551 views | Northernr |
Do they turf you out of the cult if you dare criticise the dear leader? | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:44 - Mar 23 with 1525 views | TacticalR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 02:44 - Mar 23 by stowmarketrange |
As much as I dislike the idea of another referendum,if we do have one and there are 3 options on the ballot paper,it would have to made that the totals for the 2 leave options were added together as a single leave total.If that option beats remain you then count which leave option got the most votes and go with that idea.
Why did 85% of MPs vote to trigger article 50 2 years ago when the majority of them wanted to remain,and are doing everything they can to stop us leaving? |
@stowmarketrange 'Why did 85% of MPs vote to trigger article 50 2 years ago when the majority of them wanted to remain, and are doing everything they can to stop us leaving?'
Because they do not know what they are doing. [Post edited 23 Mar 2019 10:45]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:08 - Mar 23 with 1489 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:45 - Mar 23 by QPR_Jim |
That's my point, you have two questions leave/remain and if we leave deal or no deal. Obviously if the remain vote gets 60% the second question is irrelevant but you ask so that if leave wins (which quite a few posters on here are confident of) then you have a learning direction to government of whether to vote for May's deal or no deal.
That's why 85% voted to trigger article 50, because it was the result of the referendum. May's deal and no deal weren't on the ballot paper so is open to interpretation. This is clear with leave supporters both supporting and opposing May's deal.
This is how I see it resolved fairly, so when people point out remain won't get 60% or whatever else the answer is that I don't care, it's what I think would bring people together. We would have a chance to check the will is still there to leave, learn from the last referendum and put a limit on a winning margin to change direction and everyone would get a say in our future arrangement, not just politicians. Quite frankly if remain don't learn from the last referendum and still can't get support then we might as well leave, we then just have to make sure we're doing it in a way that the majority of people want to. |
Can you imagine the trouble that would occur if remain got over 50% but didn’t get the required 60% to change the overall result?
The 48% minority make enough commotion now,let alone if they became an impotent majority with more votes than leave gets.
Rather than heal the wounds,it would split the country even more.And it would be mean more money wasted to achieve nothing,in my opinion.
Why did Labour MPs vote to trigger article 50 with no intention of ever supporting any attempt to leave?The tories voting to trigger it,I can understand more,but why labour? | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:45 - Mar 23 with 1461 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 01:37 - Mar 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Show me one verified quote or article where he is opposed to the actual existence of the EU.
Not critical of, opposed to. |
Just type in
"corbyn opposed to the eu"
into Googal | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:48 - Mar 23 with 1458 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:03 - Mar 23 by Watford_Ranger |
It was very obviously a joke aimed at Little Englanders, mate. |
But it backfired. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:54 - Mar 23 with 1446 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:48 - Mar 23 by QPR_John |
But it backfired. |
If you insist  | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:57 - Mar 23 with 1441 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:08 - Mar 23 by stowmarketrange |
Can you imagine the trouble that would occur if remain got over 50% but didn’t get the required 60% to change the overall result?
The 48% minority make enough commotion now,let alone if they became an impotent majority with more votes than leave gets.
Rather than heal the wounds,it would split the country even more.And it would be mean more money wasted to achieve nothing,in my opinion.
Why did Labour MPs vote to trigger article 50 with no intention of ever supporting any attempt to leave?The tories voting to trigger it,I can understand more,but why labour? |
Make enough commotion, how exactly? By pointing out nobody voted for a bad deal or no deal and trying to find a way to leave without significant harm to the country? Some people supported leave because they believed we'd get a good deal, they repeatedly claimed the EU need us more than we need them.
That's also the point of the second part of the vote, you could vote remain and also select a preference for leaving so they'd still have a say in the future of the country even if their initial preference is denied.
Also I've explained, as others have, why they voted to trigger article 50 and how that vote is different to supporting a bad deal and/or no deal. If you don't agree or don't see it that way fine but I'd expect any rational person to understand the difference. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:02 - Mar 23 with 1428 views | Toast_R |
So whats happening now then, we are leaving but don't want to leave with no deal but also don't want the deal offered?
Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:35 - Mar 23 with 1390 views | traininvain |
One word: priorities. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:56 - Mar 23 with 1373 views | loftboy |
So there’s a kid holding a banner saying “I’m 16 you voted my future” what’s his point? He would have only been 13 when the vote took place. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:06 - Mar 23 with 1360 views | runningman75 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:56 - Mar 23 by loftboy |
So there’s a kid holding a banner saying “I’m 16 you voted my future” what’s his point? He would have only been 13 when the vote took place. |
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