| Injuries 20:14 - Oct 10 with 7351 views | monners1969 |
2 questions
How many fit players do we have?
Do I need to bring my boots and deep heat on Wednesday ? |  | | |  |
| Injuries on 16:23 - Oct 12 with 1122 views | connell10 |
Well that's good news mate , thanks for posting in  |  |
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| Injuries on 16:33 - Oct 12 with 1059 views | sprocket |
| Injuries on 16:23 - Oct 12 by connell10 |
Well that's good news mate , thanks for posting in |
Yeah, it looks like Burrell, Chair and Saito will be back soon enough which is great news. |  | | |
| Injuries on 17:31 - Oct 12 with 856 views | Stainrod |
| Injuries on 03:43 - Oct 12 by numptydumpty |
Squad Balance is the key
1. Up and coming players
2. Championship level players
3. Potential stars but injury prone
But the stats guys need to look at the types of injuries these players get, with the likelihood, certain injuries reoccur.
And realistically in a squad of 25, we have to work out the likelihood, that with all potential availabilities, we have at teast 16 of this group available at any given time.
Also, in addition to this, our training routines, our matchday tactics, our schedules all need to be carefully managed.
Players being injured in training such as Saito and Lloyd recently and Vale, injured in a match warm up, that should never ever happen. That means that the way they are in these sessions for those particular players was very wrong.
And also I know Stephan said predecided timings for players coming back are his choices alone. Personally, I trust a managers instinct as opposed to a database run by a performance team that is still failing. And especially bringing on a more injury prone player who normally plays on the other side of the pitch.
i am unconvinced still that the importance of the performance teams recommendations is worth much. And am sure also training methods, warming up techniques, to me there has been some shockingly poor advice.
Ultimately we have a far better squad on paper so we can cope with injuries which are inevitable but within our squad we need to have on average at any one time, 16 decent players able to play a part and i would say 9 or 10 minimum of those that could be playing 90 minutes.
This bringing on players to prevent injuries, we are getting this wrong consistently. Personally i think its highly recommended to Stephan, so am sure that would have been the advice.
Yes some of the recruitment has been highly risky, but the balance is still not correct.
Easy to say, but i feel personally our performance team has too much clout and wrong decisions are being made by this team consistently in the advice they give about training, in game management and recruitment.
I think most aspects of our club are perforning admirably, but the guys in the treatment rooms looking at the stats around this are failing. i hope this improves but i have little confidence in them. They have too much clout for me. And its been consistently poor for three seasons.
Appreciate we always have to take some calculated risks with our squad, and yes the schedules are tough but I think we are failing badly with availability and for me those problems mean we need change, aa i have seen no signs of this team learning. [Post edited 12 Oct 3:59]
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Performance team enjoying too much clout?
Think its very hard to reach that conclusion from the outside.
Beale ruined Willock's career.
Stephan seemed to be calling the shots last year on selection and it was no surprise to me when Burrell did his hamstring because he was clearly being massively over-played (albeit Stephan had very few other options).
The danger of fans assessing things like this is we always react to the last game. Fans are disappointed because the performance-led substitutions cost us againsr the Hammers.
But overplay certain players and that's them out for 3/4 months. Loosing key players for that length of time (Chair for instance) is costing us a lot more points than two points (arguably) lost against West Ham. | | | |
| Injuries on 18:00 - Oct 12 with 796 views | numptydumpty |
| Injuries on 17:31 - Oct 12 by Stainrod |
Performance team enjoying too much clout?
Think its very hard to reach that conclusion from the outside.
Beale ruined Willock's career.
Stephan seemed to be calling the shots last year on selection and it was no surprise to me when Burrell did his hamstring because he was clearly being massively over-played (albeit Stephan had very few other options).
The danger of fans assessing things like this is we always react to the last game. Fans are disappointed because the performance-led substitutions cost us againsr the Hammers.
But overplay certain players and that's them out for 3/4 months. Loosing key players for that length of time (Chair for instance) is costing us a lot more points than two points (arguably) lost against West Ham. |
We are not overplaying players, they have only played nine games so far and had a three week break.
And whatever the perfomance teams advice, which i personally believe is taking into consideration on not playing players more than the allotted time, prior to the game sometimes, the phrase if aint broke dont fix it.
Its not as if this protecting of players has ever worked.
We consistently have at least double figures in players unavailable or only.possible to achieve a few minutes and we still seem to average around two new players out injured each match, this season.
You massively cherry picked my explanations in my post.
Was basing my theory on three seasons not one game. And my explanation looked at a variety of different depaetments input and effect on this.
But yes if as you say we are not overplaying players to prevent time out injured,as in the case of Burrell or Chair last season.
Not sure what point you are making that we are protecting players from injuries this season, to prove the importance of not causing more injuries.
Ie we have been picking up injuries every game.
Beale didnt ruin Willocks career, he was inconsistent anyhow. He is at Cardiff now, so still in the championship. [Post edited 12 Oct 18:00]
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| Injuries on 19:27 - Oct 12 with 644 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Arsenal had two players injured AFTER their weekend game during their warm down session: there definitely seems to be an increasing problem at the top levels, not just at QPR. |  | | |
| Injuries on 19:34 - Oct 12 with 632 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 19:27 - Oct 12 by Ned_Kennedys |
Arsenal had two players injured AFTER their weekend game during their warm down session: there definitely seems to be an increasing problem at the top levels, not just at QPR. |
100% agree with this BTW. |  | | |
| Injuries on 19:47 - Oct 12 with 606 views | Mick_S |
| Injuries on 19:27 - Oct 12 by Ned_Kennedys |
Arsenal had two players injured AFTER their weekend game during their warm down session: there definitely seems to be an increasing problem at the top levels, not just at QPR. |
That is just absolutely bonkers. Warm downs are to protect against this happening.
I’m very confused. I can understand something may go awry pre match on the pitch, but warm downs? Two of them?
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| Injuries on 20:10 - Oct 12 with 528 views | kensalriser |
Shouldn't it be cool down? Warm down is too oxymoronic. Not to mention highly annoying. |  |
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| Injuries on 20:48 - Oct 12 with 429 views | Mick_S |
| Injuries on 20:10 - Oct 12 by kensalriser |
Shouldn't it be cool down? Warm down is too oxymoronic. Not to mention highly annoying. |
Neither of those should hurt. Point taken, though. | |
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| Injuries on 22:41 - Oct 12 with 264 views | numptydumpty |
| Injuries on 19:27 - Oct 12 by Ned_Kennedys |
Arsenal had two players injured AFTER their weekend game during their warm down session: there definitely seems to be an increasing problem at the top levels, not just at QPR. |
The issue being everyone seems to copy everyone else, even if certain practices don't work.
ie When Pep's City players pass around at the back endlessly and possession
football was seen as the only way, everyone copied.
Just because we are doing things the way everyone else does things, it doesn't make it right. | |
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| Injuries on 05:59 - Oct 13 with 67 views | QPROslo |
| Injuries on 19:27 - Oct 12 by Ned_Kennedys |
Arsenal had two players injured AFTER their weekend game during their warm down session: there definitely seems to be an increasing problem at the top levels, not just at QPR. |
From what I read it wasn't so much a "warm down" session but a practice game for their players who hadn't played or had only played a few minutes. Apparently they are doing this regularly after matches. [Post edited 13 Oct 5:59]
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| Injuries on 06:33 - Oct 13 with 32 views | Rsole |
| Injuries on 05:59 - Oct 13 by QPROslo |
From what I read it wasn't so much a "warm down" session but a practice game for their players who hadn't played or had only played a few minutes. Apparently they are doing this regularly after matches. [Post edited 13 Oct 5:59]
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This could work out for us - ensuring everyone gets a three game week, regardless of real game time. |  |
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