| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 18:55 - Nov 6 with 4101 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive. Not an easy one to write but you nailed it. [Post edited 6 Nov 2022 18:56]
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 20:12 - Nov 6 with 3904 views | ManinBlack |
Good to see I was not the only one fed up with us in another typical Rangers performance after a decentmidweek showing. It is true we have stopped scoring but in truth we all know we have barely scored any second half goals at the Loft end all season. Two of them only came about by penalties.
What stood out was the abysmal delivery into the box which looked so poor after watching Sheffield Utd a few hours earlier. At least three of their goals came from corners creating havoc in the Burnley defence. The delivery was excellent, United players won every challenge, were first to every knock down and constant movement in the box making their own chances by not being static. They had at least 16 shots in the second half because of their movement.
Then you watch us and it was painful. Not enough movement in their area and woeful crossing. Saturday we looked like a team with no money and Sheffield did look like a team with parachute money with the difference in quality obvious.
I dare say Albion will do a Sheffield Utd and Forest like last season and wind up challenging for a play off spot. I hope we will have the guile to open up a defensive minded Huddersfield early doors next up or it could be another blank if we reach half time without a goal. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 21:06 - Nov 6 with 3805 views | 222gers |
Good, well balance balance reporting - factual but with the fatalistic Rs humour to put it over. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 21:15 - Nov 6 with 3786 views | Harbour |
Thanks Clive summed it up to a tea…nearly three months to the next Saturday 3pm KO that’s shit… |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 21:44 - Nov 6 with 3745 views | Noelmc |
Thanks Clive. I bet you are glad it’s only two more reports then a well deserved break. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 22:43 - Nov 6 with 3631 views | Lblock |
Next Saturday 3pm is deep in January 2023?!?!?
Fcuk that.
I’ve only managed two home games so far this season and the chucking in of the season ticket decision is becoming a rapid reality |  |
| Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal |
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 08:03 - Nov 7 with 3320 views | nix |
'Money also means QPR can payroll a good starting 11, and not a lot beyond that. Get everybody fit, rested and on the field — good side that’ll take some beating. Tire them out with a hectic fixture list, remove three or four of them with knocks, scratch beneath the surface, and there’s not a lot there.'
This is unfortunately all too true. Also the slowness with which we launched our attacks. It's been a problem through different managers and I'm not sure why it keeps happening but we can be so ponderous at times coming out from the back and moving from midfield to attack. It gave the second oldest squad in the division eons of time to get back and form their defensive wall. Blaming Dykes for not scoring in those circumstances, as happens daily on SM, seems ridiculous reductive.
I do remain perplexed though by the lack of subs until it was too late for them to achieve much, when we're surely trying to protect Willock a bit and we were running out of steam and ideas. It just seems perverse to bring Armstrong on in the 89th minute. They may not have the craft of our best eleven but sometimes you do need fresh legs. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 09:15 - Nov 7 with 3187 views | Burnleyhoop |
Succumbed (as Burnley did in the game before us) to a physical onslaught for which we had little or no answer.
Teams in this league now know that we (and Burnley) have young, technical players that can hurt you if you give them time and space. Unless we find a way to cope with this approach or implement a plan b of some description we will continue to struggle against the more physical sides, of which there are many.
This is exacerbated by the lack of options from the bench, both Amos and Dozzell appear to be reverting to the timid, nondescript performances from last year, having little or no impact and looking lost in the furore of the midfield battle.
You could tell by the expressions on Beales face that he is beginning to understand the issues that Warburton faced last year beginning to surface again ( soft underbelly with very limited options).
It didn’t help that both centre backs had a bad day, with Dickie in particular, making mistakes and slow to move the ball out from the back. He will no doubt lose his place again on Tuesday now Dunne is back, who will in turn lose his place when Salter is back (although Balogun must be running on fumes by now).
The only option I can see that negates the need to weaken the side by utilising Amos ( who is injured anyway) or Dozzell, is to go 3 at the back with Field and Iroegbunam as DM’s.
Beale needs to find a way of stopping the slide as although we should beat Huddersfield at home, I really don’t fancy our chances at Coventry. I think we will go into the World Cup clinging on to a play off place at best. | | | |
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 09:18 - Nov 7 with 3182 views | traininvain |
Probably easier to say with hindsight but I think starting Willock on Saturday was a mistake. He looked reluctant to press in the first half which contributed to our slow start. We’re a much better team when we start quickly with intensity.
I’d be minded to start Armstrong tomorrow night and have Willock on the bench to avoid a recurrence of his injury and what an impact sub to have if needed. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 10:14 - Nov 7 with 3092 views | derbyhoop |
V poor performance all round.
Started with errors from CBs, particularly Dickie, who had a shocking start but got marginally better.
Delivery into key area just didn't happen, enabling Bartley to look like Maldini.
Dykes has had some stick but what service did he get?
Pieters booked on 15 but we never played on that. I'd have had Laird and Willock in tandem down that side.
Hard to think of anybody who played well but Laird was best of a bad bunch.
And, you're spot on about the officiating. Weak and indecisive all through. |  |
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 10:52 - Nov 7 with 3029 views | Northernr |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 10:14 - Nov 7 by derbyhoop |
V poor performance all round.
Started with errors from CBs, particularly Dickie, who had a shocking start but got marginally better.
Delivery into key area just didn't happen, enabling Bartley to look like Maldini.
Dykes has had some stick but what service did he get?
Pieters booked on 15 but we never played on that. I'd have had Laird and Willock in tandem down that side.
Hard to think of anybody who played well but Laird was best of a bad bunch.
And, you're spot on about the officiating. Weak and indecisive all through. |
The Pieters thing was particularly annoying. 34 years old, wasn't any good when he was 24, booked after 15 minutes, and we never went there again. Dim. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:03 - Nov 7 with 3010 views | Rangers67 |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 10:52 - Nov 7 by Northernr |
The Pieters thing was particularly annoying. 34 years old, wasn't any good when he was 24, booked after 15 minutes, and we never went there again. Dim. |
Agreed about the Pieters thing but what makes you think this referee or many others would have had the balls to do the right thing and send him of for any number of further offences. As we have seen recently referees consistently bottle the big decisions prefering to just wave play on. Not that our performance merited anything more than it got on Saturday . But like you I think I am constantly frustrated by the inept level of officiating at this level. The old cop out of these things even themselves out over a season is another easy excuse used by people to not tackle the fundamental problem of poor officiating and unless backed up by facts that I haven,t seen is meaningless. More of a worry for MB is this inconsistancy in performances, crap at Luton, Birmingham and on Sat interspersed with decent performances, quite strange. | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:07 - Nov 7 with 3007 views | Northernr |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:03 - Nov 7 by Rangers67 |
Agreed about the Pieters thing but what makes you think this referee or many others would have had the balls to do the right thing and send him of for any number of further offences. As we have seen recently referees consistently bottle the big decisions prefering to just wave play on. Not that our performance merited anything more than it got on Saturday . But like you I think I am constantly frustrated by the inept level of officiating at this level. The old cop out of these things even themselves out over a season is another easy excuse used by people to not tackle the fundamental problem of poor officiating and unless backed up by facts that I haven,t seen is meaningless. More of a worry for MB is this inconsistancy in performances, crap at Luton, Birmingham and on Sat interspersed with decent performances, quite strange. |
Oh no faith whatsoever, but I'm still frustrated we didn't try. | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:09 - Nov 7 with 2893 views | NorthantsHoop |
We are back to not knowing what Rangers will turn up again and making basic defensive mistakes. It is obvious we are a much better side when Johansen is available and fit. Thought WBA were set up better than us and this result will probably be the start of their revival, for us we may have hit the buffers, I just can't tell. |  | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:17 - Nov 7 with 2861 views | stantheman10 |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:09 - Nov 7 by NorthantsHoop |
We are back to not knowing what Rangers will turn up again and making basic defensive mistakes. It is obvious we are a much better side when Johansen is available and fit. Thought WBA were set up better than us and this result will probably be the start of their revival, for us we may have hit the buffers, I just can't tell. |
They already beat Blackpool last week so their revival had already begun | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:26 - Nov 7 with 2845 views | stantheman10 |
Obviously it was disappointing to lose like we did on Saturday but let's face it every team in this division is the same. A brilliant win one game a disastrous defeat the next. We haven't scored a goal for 3 games and are still 5th!
Nearly all the teams in this league have a good starting 11 but little on the bench to back it up so we are no different to the rest. We've just got to keep plugging away and hope that we have more of the brilliant wins and less of the disastrous losses! | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:26 - Nov 7 with 2848 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
For the first time on Saturday I started to think this is just like the games under Warburton. Lots of possession but no threat. I always judge how well QPR played on how many times I get off my seat; apart from a toilet break at half time, not once.
The injuries are killing us, and the second string are not good enough, simple as that. | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 14:14 - Nov 7 with 2622 views | R_from_afar |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:26 - Nov 7 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
For the first time on Saturday I started to think this is just like the games under Warburton. Lots of possession but no threat. I always judge how well QPR played on how many times I get off my seat; apart from a toilet break at half time, not once.
The injuries are killing us, and the second string are not good enough, simple as that. |
"The second string are not good enough, simple as that".
Spot on. I think we've faced this difficult situation for quite some time, even back to the McLaren era. If everyone is fit, in form and reasonably fresh, we are capable of giving any team in the division a damn good game, but the problem is that the season is so long and the division so competitive that it's virtually impossible to keep our first choice team in good shape for the whole campaign.
The thin nature of our squad means that we are going into games with, as an example, an attacking option on the bench (George Thomas) who has never scored a goal for us in 37 attempts.
I'm not making GT the scapegoat - and many of his appearances have been as a sub - just using him to illustrate the problem. |  |
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 14:27 - Nov 7 with 2600 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:26 - Nov 7 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
For the first time on Saturday I started to think this is just like the games under Warburton. Lots of possession but no threat. I always judge how well QPR played on how many times I get off my seat; apart from a toilet break at half time, not once.
The injuries are killing us, and the second string are not good enough, simple as that. |
Agree with all of that.
Also, I might add, I thought that we were tactically inflexible - again, like Warburton. | |
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 10:17 - Nov 8 with 1958 views | kernowhoop |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 14:14 - Nov 7 by R_from_afar |
"The second string are not good enough, simple as that".
Spot on. I think we've faced this difficult situation for quite some time, even back to the McLaren era. If everyone is fit, in form and reasonably fresh, we are capable of giving any team in the division a damn good game, but the problem is that the season is so long and the division so competitive that it's virtually impossible to keep our first choice team in good shape for the whole campaign.
The thin nature of our squad means that we are going into games with, as an example, an attacking option on the bench (George Thomas) who has never scored a goal for us in 37 attempts.
I'm not making GT the scapegoat - and many of his appearances have been as a sub - just using him to illustrate the problem. |
This is not how we were thinking when we were winning so many games. Then, we knew that the second-string players were not as good, but they were deployed well and we coped.
A club like QPR cannot expect to have second-string players who are just as good as the first-choice ones, surely? | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:23 - Nov 8 with 1905 views | PinnerPaul |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 10:17 - Nov 8 by kernowhoop |
This is not how we were thinking when we were winning so many games. Then, we knew that the second-string players were not as good, but they were deployed well and we coped.
A club like QPR cannot expect to have second-string players who are just as good as the first-choice ones, surely? |
Agree - we're straying into Warburton excuse territory here.
SJ a big miss obviously, but would anyone be playing Roberts over Tim for example?
Dunne better than Dickie at the moment, but THAT much bette?r and if we're playing 2 CBs, pointless saying Dunne and JCS injured , as you won't play both if you're playing Balougan. | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:44 - Nov 8 with 1886 views | Northernr |
You can't deny though that as soon as we get even two or three injuries, the bench looks painfully weak.
Financial realities, but realities all the same. | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:58 - Nov 8 with 1844 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:44 - Nov 8 by Northernr |
You can't deny though that as soon as we get even two or three injuries, the bench looks painfully weak.
Financial realities, but realities all the same. |
Realities, definitely.
But we never used our subs anyway. So it really doesn't matter how good the horses are if you keep them locked in the stable. | |
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| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:05 - Nov 8 with 1830 views | Northernr |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 11:58 - Nov 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
Realities, definitely.
But we never used our subs anyway. So it really doesn't matter how good the horses are if you keep them locked in the stable. |
My theory is he looked along that bench and didn't see any point. | | | |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:33 - Nov 8 with 1773 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rangers stumble and fall to poor Baggies loss - Report on 12:05 - Nov 8 by Northernr |
My theory is he looked along that bench and didn't see any point. |
I get that too. You may well be right.
But three other things (as I try to weigh it up):
1) They won't get any better sitting down for 89 minutes
2) They won't feel like part of the squad sitting there continually, and
3) The eleven on the pitch will be injured before the turkey hits the table | |
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