| Club Accounts 12:42 - Feb 17 with 14816 views | wombat |
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| Club Accounts on 16:45 - Feb 18 with 2260 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Club Accounts on 15:48 - Feb 18 by WestbourneR |
All fair points.
Although I'm pretty sure Bennie was playing RW, so not sure he was a partnering Kone like Burrell. Think Daniel Bennie will make a good pro btw but not at this level. He's League Two or at a push League One.
As for Kolli. He should play up top as the hold up striker. It's his best position. And Kone has been overplayed and running on fumes of ages. Kolli for Kone is my call, even just every one game in three.
And yeah he's crucfying Morgan for the losses away at Cov and home to Norwich. But Morgan takes the ball and takes responsibility. That will come with mistakes. |
Agreed, Morgan has Little Tom Carroll vibes. Always ready to receive a ball and try and make a forward pass, even if it doesn't work.
This can stand out in a midfield where we've seen Field and Varane make safe 5yd passes sideways and backwards all season |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 with 2207 views | Northernr |
| Club Accounts on 16:44 - Feb 18 by JamesB1979 |
That’s pretty much where I am but I’m not quite certain I agree we need a “big sale” this summer based on these numbers. For the model and the owners, yes. But I think we need to start making profits from player trading from summer 2027 onwards. |
And you're not going to do that while every asset you've invested in is sitting up with me in SAR. Interesting that Hoos goes straight in at the top with injuries and availability handicapping the team throughout the season, whereas previously we've been assured our availability was great and it wasn't a problem. |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 with 2205 views | Hunterhoop |
| Club Accounts on 16:37 - Feb 18 by JamesB1979 |
Hunter, my main point was really that we’ve brought in 17 players and got rid of 16. If you look at the 16, it’s not that surprising that we didn’t get much for them. Some out of contract, some a “bit old”, some need a “different league to realize their potential” and the others we sold. Dykes, Willock and Armstrong are the only ones that are playing at championship(ish) level and think we got best we could for them.
On the players in, whether it’s £20m or £25m for those 17 players, we won’t know whether it’s a good deal until we’ve sold them.
Also it does show looking at those 16 who left, what an absolute rubbish squad we had in 23/24. |
Which is why I think we should be seeing more progress on the results front. Either that or Cifuentes was excelling and should have been kept on. Can’t be neither.
And it isn’t a case of £20m or £25m spent. It’s £25m. It has to be from what is in the accounts.
I agree with you that it doesn’t matter what has been spent until we have sold some. However, that isn’t the case indefinitely. There is a time bound aspect to this because of PSR. Really you should be selling every year. But you certainly need to be selling every two years. That means this summer, we need to see some of that £25m invested be realised as profit by selling some of them for much more. If you amortise the £25m, it’s a financial necessity. But also the sales fund the ongoing player trading model. You simply cannot go 2 full seasons of investing without serious selling. The Eze money has helped a lot (thanks, Les), but that’s already been reinvested, in effect. They still need to shift players for c £5m net profit (of what we reinvest) for us to be okay on PSR next season, and to demonstrate the model works.
That is why this summer is pivotal.
If we don’t sell anyone and/or continue to spend, it would be grossly irresponsible for the medium term future of the club.
A player trading model needs successful sales. That’s the hard part. Not the spending of other people’s money. [Post edited 18 Feb 17:26]
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| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 with 2202 views | daveB |
| Club Accounts on 16:44 - Feb 18 by JamesB1979 |
That’s pretty much where I am but I’m not quite certain I agree we need a “big sale” this summer based on these numbers. For the model and the owners, yes. But I think we need to start making profits from player trading from summer 2027 onwards. |
WHen i say big I don't mean Eze level, more Luke Freeman, Alex Smithies 4-6 million type numbers and we've not done that for years.
One problem is we won't be the only club who want to pay fees over 5/6 years so even if you get 5million for Varane it will likely only be half that this summer going into the account
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| Club Accounts on 16:54 - Feb 18 with 2187 views | BristolR |
| Club Accounts on 15:49 - Feb 18 by TK1 |
We could wait for Simon's reading of the accounts. But I reckon the verdict is already in.
Etc. Not a named poster among 'em. |
WTAF does “risky but stable” even mean, fcuking imbecile…
These accounts are depressing me, when can we get back to something like enjoying a game of football.
Oh, wait |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 16:56 - Feb 18 with 2151 views | JamesB1979 |
| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
And you're not going to do that while every asset you've invested in is sitting up with me in SAR. Interesting that Hoos goes straight in at the top with injuries and availability handicapping the team throughout the season, whereas previously we've been assured our availability was great and it wasn't a problem. |
Oh yes, 100%. You don’t have to convince me on the injury front. It’s been a s.hitshow for 2 seasons now. Some injuries happen, I understand that eg Dembele. But some of the others? Williams and whoever needs to front up on that. But I also think Stephan has to take a lot of the blame. Burrell and Chair were over-played. [Post edited 18 Feb 16:56]
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| Club Accounts on 16:56 - Feb 18 with 2152 views | Hunterhoop |
| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 by daveB |
WHen i say big I don't mean Eze level, more Luke Freeman, Alex Smithies 4-6 million type numbers and we've not done that for years.
One problem is we won't be the only club who want to pay fees over 5/6 years so even if you get 5million for Varane it will likely only be half that this summer going into the account
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That’s true.
But I think we’ll need to bring in a net transfer income of that sort of value this summer…net of what we spend. Could be one sale like that and no spend, or two or three and some spend.
The model only works if we sell well and sell regularly. It doesn’t need to be a £20m sale if most of your bets/signings come off and you can sell them on for 3-5m more. But if several are duds, where you’ll lose your money on them, you then will need a big sale at some point to cover those duds.
My estimate is that we don’t need an Eze sale this summer. A net £5m transfer position will probably keep us okay on FFP, but the following summer, we probably will need a big one, if we want to keep signing and trading. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 16:57 - Feb 18 with 2145 views | BristolR |
| Club Accounts on 15:57 - Feb 18 by mart_Goblin |
Yes, agree that the last thing we need to add to that list is a pay off for another head coach.
So .. we are stuck with the head coach no matter what .
Stuck with the main aim of trying to sell a player to balance books instead of trying to finish as high as we can.
Stuck with having to sell Madsen and not having any discernible replacement come through the door.
(I wonder if someone might look at Jimmy this summer? Stats aren’t bad so far this term)
Stuck with what’s in the building but for freebies and injury prone players ..minus Cook and Field.
Stuck with absolute mediocrity .
Stuck with some fans accepting that as ok…after 2 or 3 years, perhaps …but after 11 or 12?
Goodie I can’t wait . When are the new season ticket prices announced?
Fully aware that i come across as impatient and someone who wants ‘success’ now ..whatever in the f*ck that is . It can be fine margins at times but even with a fully fit squad would we be tearing this division up? I’m not so sure .
But I , along with thousands of others have been patient for a decade or more.
I fear we will slide down into the bottom
8 or so fairly soon and I’m so sick of that .
That’s the fear and it’s where my frustration comes from .
I want to us to be better than that . I see many clubs/ teams out perform there current expenditure or financial outgoings .
I just want it to be us occasionally. |
Well said Mart, pretty much my feelings also | | | |
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| Club Accounts on 17:00 - Feb 18 with 2123 views | Hunterhoop |
| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
And you're not going to do that while every asset you've invested in is sitting up with me in SAR. Interesting that Hoos goes straight in at the top with injuries and availability handicapping the team throughout the season, whereas previously we've been assured our availability was great and it wasn't a problem. |
Exactly. It’s why a number of us keep banging the drum about the Performance dept being critical to the Player Trading model. If I was Nourry, I’d be pretty angry with Williams, because his department is undermining my strategy. I’d be looking to bring someone else in. It seems an obvious thing to do.
The fact he’s trying to make out there isn’t a problem there is worrying because it means he either doesn’t understand the impact/problem on his model and the club’s finances, or he’s more interested in protecting a mate.
I agree, it’s telling that the Chairman is making a very deliberate point in his summary of the accounts that injuries impacted us last season, when he’ll be very aware they are impacting us this season… | | | |
| Club Accounts on 17:30 - Feb 18 with 2001 views | mart_Goblin |
| Club Accounts on 16:33 - Feb 18 by kensalriser |
11 or 12 years of mediocrity?
I wish. It's 30 years we've been mediocre to poor, with the exception of the two Championship promotion seasons and even for one of those we went up by the skin of our teeth with a despised manager, duly followed by a horrific relegation season. |
Trying to not be too negative as some have trouble with too much negativity on here .
So gave the Warnock / premier league mini-era the benefit of the doubt just in case.
But you are right . The 15 years before Warnock weren’t exactly wonderful times .
It proves my point more emphatically that I think as a fanbase , we have been patient long enough .
But all we really get is more people year after year swan through telling us we “need to be patient” whilst certain fans climb on board and tell us we are too negative and just argue any point raised with nonsense stats or links that can be manipulated anyway your argument intends.
Apologies again. Sounds like a whinge.
But I just want to see the club start moving forward again, because don’t be under any illusion , we are a bit of a laughing stock of West London football at the moment.
As a loyal and passionate fan base , I think we deserve more than that .
And that isn’t really to do with today’s finances or Saturdays abomination.
Prolonged periods of improvement across the board. Not just the odd victory or the odd transfer window . Sustained improvements on and off the pitch .
Starting to think we will never see it .
And only speaking for myself, it can be demoralising. |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 18:10 - Feb 18 with 1845 views | TK1 |
| Club Accounts on 16:51 - Feb 18 by daveB |
WHen i say big I don't mean Eze level, more Luke Freeman, Alex Smithies 4-6 million type numbers and we've not done that for years.
One problem is we won't be the only club who want to pay fees over 5/6 years so even if you get 5million for Varane it will likely only be half that this summer going into the account
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Of that kind level player, this summer I reckon we could sell Dunne, Field, Cooper, each for between £2m and £4m. Throw in Smyth?
(I actually think Dunne is worth more but I have already been jeered on here for saying so - though watching 34-year-old Luke Ayling for Boro has not dampened that suspicion: those kind of teams - Sheff U, Burnley, Boro, maybe Leeds - will always want a Dunne type, and he's 27, so there's three or four years there still in his prime).
So, we could sell all three or four, maybe Varane or Madsen. But will need to recruit heavily in midfield, and it becomes a roundabout. We have to start selling more regularly, however. [Post edited 18 Feb 18:12]
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| Club Accounts on 18:19 - Feb 18 with 1763 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Club Accounts on 17:30 - Feb 18 by mart_Goblin |
Trying to not be too negative as some have trouble with too much negativity on here .
So gave the Warnock / premier league mini-era the benefit of the doubt just in case.
But you are right . The 15 years before Warnock weren’t exactly wonderful times .
It proves my point more emphatically that I think as a fanbase , we have been patient long enough .
But all we really get is more people year after year swan through telling us we “need to be patient” whilst certain fans climb on board and tell us we are too negative and just argue any point raised with nonsense stats or links that can be manipulated anyway your argument intends.
Apologies again. Sounds like a whinge.
But I just want to see the club start moving forward again, because don’t be under any illusion , we are a bit of a laughing stock of West London football at the moment.
As a loyal and passionate fan base , I think we deserve more than that .
And that isn’t really to do with today’s finances or Saturdays abomination.
Prolonged periods of improvement across the board. Not just the odd victory or the odd transfer window . Sustained improvements on and off the pitch .
Starting to think we will never see it .
And only speaking for myself, it can be demoralising. |
With all due respect to the owner, while he continues to delegate the running of the club to others, we are going to continue attracting Lyle Lanley types to sell him a monorail.
I see a lack of accountability from the top down. Nourry uses doublethink by saying our injury situation and pitch are fine, when they're obviously not. Hoos keeps picking up a fat pay cheque for what exactly? Stephan says we have the second lowest budget in the division when we have actually spent a whole load of cash.
I agree with you that's it's tedious seeing the likes of Brentford at the top level while we continue to make excuses year after year. It needs someone with a firm hand on the tiller. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 18:35 - Feb 18 with 1725 views | 1JD |
| Club Accounts on 14:58 - Feb 18 by WestbourneR |
Tbh I'd forigve Julien Stephan many things but the way he has slammed our youth prospects careers into reverse is pretty unforgivable.
There are have been plenty of opportunities to give Kolli and Morgan, who have both proved they can play at this level, a significant number of starts.
Now, even deep in an injury crisis, he's failing to do it.
Cifuentes blooded Morgan and he blooded Kolli. For a club operating our model that makes him far more valuable a manager than a boss who ignores the youngsters.
Perversely, he is playing Bennie - who clearly doesn't have a single standout skill that allow him to make it at this level. |
This is spot on.
But Nourry is also accountable, as if they are not playing, they should have been loaned out to continue developing and maturing. Not getting splinters on a bench. Or worse, not even making the bench. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 19:07 - Feb 18 with 1640 views | davman |
6 pages in and there seems to be no acknowledgement of the fact that we were told that there will be new rules from next season. Maybe the club have an insight to what that will be?
Love to know just how much of a gamble Ronnie is.
As per my previous post, I worry that is unnecessary and grossly disproportionate.
Let's hope not, eh? |  |
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| Club Accounts on 19:13 - Feb 18 with 1614 views | davman |
Not so bad apparently... | |
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| Club Accounts on 19:25 - Feb 18 with 1556 views | R_from_afar |
| Club Accounts on 15:20 - Feb 18 by nick_hammersmith |
I think JS is probably well into his McClaren phase, where he is now worried about losing a few games in a row and getting fired.
This means he'd rather shut out the opposition with a "team of men" than take some chances with the youth.
Maybe I'm wrong, but from what I've seen with Morgan sometimes those forward passes don't come off, so the manager is preferring to keep possession?
Kolli? I don't know, maybe he sees something in training, or doesn't see something?
Personally I'd like to have seen him have a run of games, the trouble is he's not a replacement for Burrell, which is what the manager is looking for and hoping Bennie would be.
Bennie is still young, so I wouldn't write him off, but he was terrible in that last match, along with most of the team.
This next run of games is very difficult and six more of those performances could see the board making another move, which is not really what the club needs after looking at these accounts |
"McClaren phase". 
If that isn't already in the glossary, it should be. Good post, beautifully put  . |  |
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| Club Accounts on 19:33 - Feb 18 with 1513 views | R_from_afar |
| Club Accounts on 15:57 - Feb 18 by mart_Goblin |
Yes, agree that the last thing we need to add to that list is a pay off for another head coach.
So .. we are stuck with the head coach no matter what .
Stuck with the main aim of trying to sell a player to balance books instead of trying to finish as high as we can.
Stuck with having to sell Madsen and not having any discernible replacement come through the door.
(I wonder if someone might look at Jimmy this summer? Stats aren’t bad so far this term)
Stuck with what’s in the building but for freebies and injury prone players ..minus Cook and Field.
Stuck with absolute mediocrity .
Stuck with some fans accepting that as ok…after 2 or 3 years, perhaps …but after 11 or 12?
Goodie I can’t wait . When are the new season ticket prices announced?
Fully aware that i come across as impatient and someone who wants ‘success’ now ..whatever in the f*ck that is . It can be fine margins at times but even with a fully fit squad would we be tearing this division up? I’m not so sure .
But I , along with thousands of others have been patient for a decade or more.
I fear we will slide down into the bottom
8 or so fairly soon and I’m so sick of that .
That’s the fear and it’s where my frustration comes from .
I want to us to be better than that . I see many clubs/ teams out perform there current expenditure or financial outgoings .
I just want it to be us occasionally. |
I can empathise and feel your pain.
Loft for Words is one great big self help group for QPR fans suffering from mediocrity fatigue, sigh  .
Now clearly, things could be worse, much worse, but at the moment, you need the patience of a Saint if you're a Rangers fan. | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Club Accounts on 20:22 - Feb 18 with 1358 views | derbyhoop |
| Club Accounts on 14:09 - Feb 18 by wombat |
Havent half the dev squad who won that very cup left the club for manly non league teams ? |
No.
Murphy and Petrie have gone to believe National League.
Morgan and Bennie are with the 1st team.
McDowell on a season long loan at Bracknell.
I think the test are still on our books, although quite a few have been out on loans of various lengths and quality. |  |
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| Club Accounts on 20:31 - Feb 18 with 1301 views | derbyhoop |
| Club Accounts on 14:34 - Feb 18 by LazyFan |
Frey, Cook, and Colback were brought in on mega-deal contracts to keep us up.
It worked ... just.
Frey and Colback are gone, and Cook only remains contract-wise as he was clever with his contract.
Edwards has clearly been brought in to replace Cook. The problem is, I am not sure he's fast enough or good enough in the air for the Prem. Which means I am not sure we shall be able to sell him for big money. Champ-wise, he's decent, so it at least helps you avoid relegation.
The rest have been bought as sell-ons, which didn't happen due to injuries. So, they flogged off Field (assuming his loan turns to perm).
Nardi also leaves us with I assume Santos at the end of the season. This should save some monies as well as I assume Walsh and Cooper are on Dev squad wages.
What some people may have forgotten here is that in the summer, we shall still need a new LB. So, that's one player coming in for sure.
My guess is that they will flog Madsen or Varane for £6m or £5m in the summer. These are the only assets that someone would want to buy for the money we can get for them. No one is now paying £2m for Kohli; he's probably unlikely to be sold. The rest have been injured too much, and Kone and Burrell will wait for bigger money. Especially as Burrell's agent bragged he got him a 5-year deal when he signed, which is probably the usual 4+1 on our side. I would assume Kone is the same.
I expect Madsen and Varane to leave in the summer.
And we bring Hayden, Morgan and Vale in more, with a possible star DMC bought from the lower leagues.
Dunne to be renewed for another year, and then it's possible to get away with it in the middle as Edwards can play there, if (sorry when) we get injuries. Morrison will be brought back to replace Cook. |
I don't get this obsession with needing a LB.
Sure, RND is only on loan, but we have both Esquerdinha and Larkeche on the books. Whether 1 or both will be good enough is questionable. Both are young enough to develop.
I think Esq could well be first choice with Larkeche as a backup. | |
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| Club Accounts on 20:44 - Feb 18 with 1248 views | ozexile |
| Club Accounts on 19:07 - Feb 18 by davman |
6 pages in and there seems to be no acknowledgement of the fact that we were told that there will be new rules from next season. Maybe the club have an insight to what that will be?
Love to know just how much of a gamble Ronnie is.
As per my previous post, I worry that is unnecessary and grossly disproportionate.
Let's hope not, eh? |
Well he's a massive gamble when we're supposedly developing him and hoping to sell him on and he can't get a run in his position in a team that's won 2 out of its last 13 games. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 21:15 - Feb 18 with 1148 views | dm97 |
God help you all trawling through this (you have my admiration / concern).
I might have this wrong. But isn’t there a decent chance the rules change (away from three year rolling to the squad cost ratio stuff the premier league is doing)? |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 23:14 - Feb 18 with 904 views | daveB |
| Club Accounts on 21:15 - Feb 18 by dm97 |
God help you all trawling through this (you have my admiration / concern).
I might have this wrong. But isn’t there a decent chance the rules change (away from three year rolling to the squad cost ratio stuff the premier league is doing)? |
Yes that is true and I wonder if thats part of why the club don't seem worried | | | |
| Club Accounts on 23:27 - Feb 18 with 841 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Club Accounts on 09:36 - Feb 18 by stevec |
Good point, he contributes three times as much as our entire support through the turnstiles. Just think about that.
I hope our incredibly well paid players take note and perhaps get their heads around showing him some return. |
That's not so much comparing apples and pears as chalk and cheese - and then some.
Last time I looked, Ruben's family had a net worth of £2.1 billion. Right now I've got 1,500 euros in the bank and am worried about getting through the month!
Think about that! |  |
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| Club Accounts on 23:36 - Feb 18 with 806 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Club Accounts on 12:16 - Feb 18 by QPRSam |
Derby, Stoke and Luton spent more and were beneath us. It can go both ways depending on how you look at it. Regardless, if you have the revenue of a mid table club, the spend of a mid table club, I'm not that surprised that we're likely going to end up a mid table club |
As the data shows, it isn't merely, or even mostly, a matter of turnover or budgets - it's a question of culture and mindset. Ours isn't so much aspirational as moribund! | |
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| Club Accounts on 23:40 - Feb 18 with 792 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Club Accounts on 16:45 - Feb 18 by nick_hammersmith |
Agreed, Morgan has Little Tom Carroll vibes. Always ready to receive a ball and try and make a forward pass, even if it doesn't work.
This can stand out in a midfield where we've seen Field and Varane make safe 5yd passes sideways and backwards all season |
Ah yes, another who went onto progressively worser things since leaving us. Let's hope Caroll's career (now plying his trade with the Fakes at 33, having played barely 80 games in the last five years) isn't a blueprint for Morgan! | |
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