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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House 20:44 - Feb 17 with 14087 viewsRAFCBLUE

A question tonight from the floor was about a company called Village Energy Solutions Limited and their financial links to Morton House.

I was a bit of a way away so I didn't hear the exact question but a quick Google gives this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-pounds-of-unexplained-payments-le

The Official Receiver was appointed liquidator and as part of their duties, initiated an investigation into Donna Nada’s conduct and the reasons why Village Energy Solutions failed.

Enquiries uncovered that the company was originally incorporated as providing real estate and management consultant services and in its first 9 months had three different names — Rasdale Solutions Ltd, Caffe Concerto Payroll Services Ltd and Concerto Payroll Services Ltd — before settling on Village Energy Solutions.

In interviews, Donna Nada, from Ilford, Essex informed the Official Receiver that the company traded from premises in North West London and provided payroll and HR services.

But due to Donna Nada’s failure to ensure Village Energy Solutions Limited maintained and/or preserved adequate accounting records or provide any form of records to the liquidator, it was not possible to verify the true nature of £2.3 million of income and whether this accounted for all the company’s sales and income.

Donna Nada’s misconduct also meant it was not possible to determine the legitimacy of at least £1.8 million worth of payments out of the company’s bank accounts.


ESSEX PAYROLL COMPANY? Where have we heard that before?

It's made the Ilford Recorder here:
https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/director-ban-for-village-energy-solu

A QUICK CHECK AT COMPANIES HOUSE GIVES THIS:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11215024

In April 2019, a company called Morton House Business and Corporate Services Ltd bought an 80% stake in the Village Energy Solutions Limited

The person who did the buying of the 80% for MORTON HOUSE was:

DENISE VALARIE COURTNELL

In January 2020, the High Court ordered the winding up of Village Energy Solutions Limited at the request of HM Revenue and Customs

HMRC HAVE AN ESSEX PAYROLL COMPANY WOUND UP

In March 2020, Morton House Business and Corporate Services Limited then change its name to Morton House MGT and First Form Construction Limited.

The Government Article states:
"Donna Nada’s misconduct also meant it was not possible to determine the legitimacy of at least £1.8 million worth of payments out of the company’s bank accounts."

I'm no expert but how does Morton House manage to own 80% of a payroll company, which is wound up by the Official Receiver and fails to know where it put £1.8m!

Fast forward to July 2021 and over £1.0m according to Alexander Jarvis turned up from nowhere to be paid for shares for a hostile takeover that no one knew about or wanted.

That's got to be the best Fans Forum question since the one from about Barry-Murphy's contract which outed Bottomley when Graham Rawlinson gave a factually correct answer!

It's also got to raise MASSIVE questions for HMRC about the current Morton House Mgt and their payroll operations under Faical Safouane and Denise Courtnell.

George Bernard Shaw had it right: "He who can does; he who cannot, teaches." https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:00 - Feb 17 with 7939 viewsHullDale

Donna Nada as mentioned here?

A LOVE OF WEEZER / Why MORTON HOUSE must fail the EFL tests (Part 5) by RAFCBLUE 9 Aug 2021 19:59
I've concluded that the folks of Morton House must be massive fans of the band Weezer.

For those at Morton House it's currently a very interesting state of affairs. If I briefly recap:

1. Company formed on 28th May 1999 by Ana Sacco and Darren Sacco.

2. It bumbles around for nearly 20 years before it renames itself MORTON HOUSE BUSINESS AND CORPORATE SERVICES LTD in on 18th March 2019

3. It's year end prior (31st July 2018) it has the grand total worth of £14,287.

4. On 22nd March 2019 DENISE VALERIE COURTNELL is appointed as a Director.

5. Darren Sacco left as a Director on 30th April 2019 and Ana Sacco had left before Denise is appointed on 15th February 2019.

6. 31st July 2019 comes and the net worth - £12,375. A loss for the year to July 2019 of £1,912. All before Denise has come in to work her magic.

7. On 10th March 2020 it changes its name again to MORTON HOUSE MGT AND FIRST FORM CONSTRUCTION LIMITED. Bit of a mouthful from the previous company name if you ask me (ooh err missus!)

8. On 30th June 2020 the Company files for a change of activity to do payroll services.

9. 31st July 2020 comes and the net worth - now £121,759. A PROFIT for the year of £109,024 and all thanks to Denise! It must have been on the old activity mind because the new activities of payroll at this point have only been going for one month.

10. On 1st May 2021, Denise brings in two new directors. Young blood. The well known one is DARRELL ROSE - a Worksop property company and used car garage owner. The lesser well known Faical Safouane who otherwise resides in a bedsit in Slough. Safouane however originates from Morocco.

11. We now know that Rose had bought 51% of this company on 1st May 2021 from Denise Courtnell except....

12. On 30th June 2021 Morton House FORGETS to tell Companies House that Darrell Rose has bought 51% and says nothing has changed. You can almost hear the teacups clattering on the Boardroom table because....

13. On 28th July 2021, Morton House files that things HAVE changed and Darrell is the owner not Denise.

Conveniently, this filing was done ONE DAY after the EFL meeting given we know the timeline from the disclosures in the Daily Telegraph.

So it go me thinking; something isn't right is it about Denise. 78 years young and starting a payroll company. Turns it around and then transfers exactly 51% to someone who happens to want control of a little League 2 football club.

Here Denise is, coming in to Morton House in 2020 and turning it around, taking over from two directors who have run it for 20 years without any really financial success and in under a year, a year with a global pandemic in it, turns a six figure profit and has £4m of current assets in the bank!

It made me go and look again at the Bar Lush raid in Chingford in July 2009 where Denise lost her home and her livelihood. The Enfield Independent gives a lot of coverage of the people involved.

https://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/news/4490007.two-enfield-men-charged-in-huge-drugs-and-guns-crackdown/

It turns out it wasn't just our Denise involved. Reading all of the information closely the following dawned on me:

* 3 pubs closed - Bar Lush, The Station House and The Bull and Crown
* Drugs with a street value of £100,000 seized
* £10,000 of cash and stolen good seized
* 4 guns seized

Turns out what Denise was caught up in at Bar Lush was a lot more then a little bit of "personal use". Turns out that 17 different people were charged with 143 different drugs, firearms and money laundering offenses.

I shan't list the names - but see if any of the name in the Enfield Independent jump out at you.

Now, where was our friend Andrew Curran during this time?

He was running his father-in-law, Colin Green's company from 2008 - Supreme-O-Construction Limited and having in 2006 bought a home in Inglethorpe, Essex as Messageboard user fermin noted on another thread.

The Essex home - according to the Land Registry - cost Curran £1.1m in 2006.

Supreme-O-Construction Limited's profit / (Loss) for each year under Curran:

Year to February 2009: LOSS of £36,164
Year to February 2010: LOSS of £14,874
Year to February 2011: LOSS of £2,825
Year to February 2012: LOSS of £2,376
Year to February 2013: LOSS of £12,286
Year to February 2014: LOSS of £74,811
Year to February 2015: LOSS of £52,179
Year to February 2016: LOSS of £29,203
Year to February 2017: PROFIT of £109,229
Year to February 2018: PROFIT of £107,293

Ten years of business and an OVERALL LOSS OF £8,210 was achieved, whilst paying the mortgage on a £1.1m Essex house. He could have done calling Denise Courtnell in to turn his business around!

In June 2018, Colin Green sadly passed away. Andrew Curran got out and passed the Company over to Mark Farrugia.

Supreme-O hasn't bothered with filing accounts since 2018. It didn't file 2019's or 2020's and in June 2021 (WHILST THE EFL APPLICATION WAS WELL UNDERWAY) Farrugia has quietly filed for liquidation.

Supreme-O is helpful though in other ways. It shows in the public domain the link between the Green family and the Curran family.

The family ties between Andrew Curran, Colin Green (founder), Jean Green (Curran's mother-in-law and one time secretary of Supreme-O), Kelly Curran, Darrell Rose and Deborah Rose are unquestionable.

The apple they say never falls far from the (family) tree.

Denise Courtnell will be asked to go before the EFL I am certain of it.

The £4m of current assets that Morton House shows at July 2020 are HER current assets - Rose was not involved at this point even though he is now and Rose hasn't put any accounts out for Morton House - but he can and will.

Now, for three points music officiandos - what is the Weezer classic that ties all of these things and people together?




and here?

Alexander Jarvis & Hull City by UpTheDaleNotForSale 19 Aug 2021 9:58
As we know, A. Jarvis of Blackbridge was involved in the failed attempt to buy Hull City relatively recently.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/who-alexander-jarvis-man-mystery-2087362.amp

This deal fell through, and there are striking similarities between the Hull situation and the attempted hostile takeover of Dale by #AndyCurran #DarrellRose #MortonHouse #FaicalSafouane and #DeniseCourtnell - namely the massive overvalution of the club by the potential investors (detail on the link below)

https://thenextweb.com/news/hull-city-cryptocurrency-buyout-fallen-through

The question we keep returning to... #AndyCurran went from 'having nothing to do with Rochdale' to wanting to invest, use it as a place for beers with mates, and ultimately (according to Jarvis) make a profit on their investment.

If the shares bought are overvalued (rumoured to be offering 5x the share value of £2), plus legal fees, plus fees to #GatleyPLC, plus throwing around £10K 'finders fees' like confetti - where exactly is the profit going to come from?

- Where is the money for the purchase coming from?

- Why is the club being so overvalued?

- How do they intend to make a profit?

- Why Rochdale for a beer / play thing? When its so far away?

- Most importantly, is it Jingles or Puggles that Andy is planning to bring to Dale? & why is the other one not allowed?

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:52 - Feb 17 with 7697 viewswozzrafc

And the other name on village Energy solutions…….. why it’s our friend Mark Farrugia who has already shown to have links to the Curran’s


https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11215024/offi


If you want find more about him a quick look at Taylor Curran’s Facebook page is a good start,,
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:54 - Feb 17 with 7681 viewsRAFCBLUE

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:52 - Feb 17 by wozzrafc

And the other name on village Energy solutions…….. why it’s our friend Mark Farrugia who has already shown to have links to the Curran’s


https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11215024/offi


If you want find more about him a quick look at Taylor Curran’s Facebook page is a good start,,


https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/disqualified-officers

Mark Farrugia - disqualified director you mean?

George Bernard Shaw had it right: "He who can does; he who cannot, teaches." https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 22:08 - Feb 17 with 7570 viewsjudd

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:54 - Feb 17 by RAFCBLUE

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/disqualified-officers

Mark Farrugia - disqualified director you mean?


The beauty of Companies House is how easy it is to trace and link these individuals to a common trait of nil net worth and ease of dissolution.

The constant change in persons of signifant control.

Finally, a link to unexplained income v unexplained outgoings whilst linking Morton House share ownership
at pathetic companies with no legitimate entity.

The investment asset on MHs last balance sheet seemingly coinciding with this company's inexplicable cash outgoing?

Poll: What is it to be then?

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 22:08 - Feb 17 with 7564 viewswozzrafc

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:54 - Feb 17 by RAFCBLUE

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/disqualified-officers

Mark Farrugia - disqualified director you mean?


Yes quite right!!

This from the insolvency service press office just six days ago!!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-pounds-of-unexplained-payments-le

The net is closing
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 22:10 - Feb 17 with 7537 viewsRAFCBLUE

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 22:08 - Feb 17 by judd

The beauty of Companies House is how easy it is to trace and link these individuals to a common trait of nil net worth and ease of dissolution.

The constant change in persons of signifant control.

Finally, a link to unexplained income v unexplained outgoings whilst linking Morton House share ownership
at pathetic companies with no legitimate entity.

The investment asset on MHs last balance sheet seemingly coinciding with this company's inexplicable cash outgoing?


The winding up petition for Village Energy Solutions Limited was from HMRC!

HMRC winding up one payroll company that is 80% owned by a second payroll company!

The link that follows is for any citizen who would like to report a concern about tax evasion:
https://www.gov.uk/report-an-unregistered-trader-or-business

George Bernard Shaw had it right: "He who can does; he who cannot, teaches." https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 23:56 - Feb 17 with 7203 viewsSandyman

Faical, Denise Valarie, Matthew, Andrew, Darrell, maybe even Alexander and Roger...

[Post edited 17 Feb 2022 23:57]
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 07:16 - Feb 18 with 6879 viewsRAFCBLUE

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 23:56 - Feb 17 by Sandyman

Faical, Denise Valarie, Matthew, Andrew, Darrell, maybe even Alexander and Roger...

[Post edited 17 Feb 2022 23:57]


That's a very unusual way to wish people in business GOOD MORNING

The thing that strikes me with Village Energy is that the authorities now appear to be all over this web of companies that includes Morton House, Mark Farrugia, Denise Courtnell, Andy Curran and others.

How it all fits together, goodness only knows but if the last week we have had:

HMRC seizing NFTs for the first time
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/14/hmrc-seizes-nfts-for-first-ti

Morton House subsidiary can't explain £1.8m of payments
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-pounds-of-unexplained-payments-le

It is almost like since Morton House filed their action against a supporters trust and unpaid volunteers at the end of January 2022, that the relevant authorities have woken up a bit and started to properly scrutinise goings on.

WIthin those government organisations you will have some football fans and we know that the whole football community has united behind our plight as the test case for fan owned club. The online only element of the crowdfund is now at £24k.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/keep-rochdale-afc-fan-owned/

It will be interesting to see developments over the next few months; High Court cases typically take ages (Rachel Vardy and Coleen Rooney kicked off in 2019 and is only reaching court now in 2022)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10099487/rebekah-vardy-coleen-rooney-twitt

It's a good job that they all secured their IT and didn't leave it in the hands of Captain Sabotage otherwise who might know what will get out.

George Bernard Shaw had it right: "He who can does; he who cannot, teaches." https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 10:04 - Feb 18 with 6656 viewswozzrafc

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 07:16 - Feb 18 by RAFCBLUE

That's a very unusual way to wish people in business GOOD MORNING

The thing that strikes me with Village Energy is that the authorities now appear to be all over this web of companies that includes Morton House, Mark Farrugia, Denise Courtnell, Andy Curran and others.

How it all fits together, goodness only knows but if the last week we have had:

HMRC seizing NFTs for the first time
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/14/hmrc-seizes-nfts-for-first-ti

Morton House subsidiary can't explain £1.8m of payments
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-pounds-of-unexplained-payments-le

It is almost like since Morton House filed their action against a supporters trust and unpaid volunteers at the end of January 2022, that the relevant authorities have woken up a bit and started to properly scrutinise goings on.

WIthin those government organisations you will have some football fans and we know that the whole football community has united behind our plight as the test case for fan owned club. The online only element of the crowdfund is now at £24k.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/keep-rochdale-afc-fan-owned/

It will be interesting to see developments over the next few months; High Court cases typically take ages (Rachel Vardy and Coleen Rooney kicked off in 2019 and is only reaching court now in 2022)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10099487/rebekah-vardy-coleen-rooney-twitt

It's a good job that they all secured their IT and didn't leave it in the hands of Captain Sabotage otherwise who might know what will get out.


You would hope that this would be being followed up with the HMRC speaking to football club / EFL to assess what information/dealings they have had with Morton House given the links they have with village energy solutions as RAFCBLUE has highlighted.

Hopefully they have pushed through the open door and looked a bit deeper to see if there is a possible link. As this article from the insolvency service points out there are still millions of pounds unaccounted for….

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-pounds-of-unexplained-payments-le
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 11:45 - Feb 18 with 6487 viewsHullDale

The other director of Village Energy Solutions Ltd was (as mentioned) Mark Anthony Farrugia.

Mark Anthony Farrugia is behind a lot of liquidated companies :

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/1QJhu1T-E9Qy

One of those companies is Supreme-O-Construction Ltd:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03936252

& who was another director there? Andrew Kirk Curran:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03936252/offi

Its an absolute pandora's box of links between Morton House, Village Energy Solutions, Andrew Curran and more.

I wonder if these are the companies referenced as 'new information' in the EFL replies to multiple Dale fans over the last few weeks.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 12:02 - Feb 18 with 6436 viewsjudd

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 11:45 - Feb 18 by HullDale

The other director of Village Energy Solutions Ltd was (as mentioned) Mark Anthony Farrugia.

Mark Anthony Farrugia is behind a lot of liquidated companies :

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/1QJhu1T-E9Qy

One of those companies is Supreme-O-Construction Ltd:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03936252

& who was another director there? Andrew Kirk Curran:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03936252/offi

Its an absolute pandora's box of links between Morton House, Village Energy Solutions, Andrew Curran and more.

I wonder if these are the companies referenced as 'new information' in the EFL replies to multiple Dale fans over the last few weeks.


Mr Farrugia and Morton House were shareholders in RTU HR Ltd, now ceased trading.

Morton House held shares in this company between 15th April and 10th July 2019.

Morton House held shares in Village Energy Solutions (a payroll company that does not sound like a payroll company established February 2018 and had 4 different names before incurring the wrath of HMRC in December 2019) between 15th April and 10th July 2019.

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 12:08 - Feb 18 with 6409 views49thseason

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 12:02 - Feb 18 by judd

Mr Farrugia and Morton House were shareholders in RTU HR Ltd, now ceased trading.

Morton House held shares in this company between 15th April and 10th July 2019.

Morton House held shares in Village Energy Solutions (a payroll company that does not sound like a payroll company established February 2018 and had 4 different names before incurring the wrath of HMRC in December 2019) between 15th April and 10th July 2019.


In out in out shake it all about.....You do the hokey cokey....
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 15:45 - Feb 18 with 6107 viewsNorthernDale

Am I being cynical in suspecting some form of doggy dealings with these companies and directors. If I was being very suspicious in the HMRC sense, I would suspect potential questionable activities, in that Nada could not provide data in respect to the source of the income or the outgoings, which raises a red flag for me.

This company, Morton House with apparently no employees, but sudden influx of money at the time of the attempted takeover, with debts virtually equal to the sudden influx, which is hopefully made the HMRC ask questions. The Sahara business as mentioned at the forum, which may or may not exist, which may be legal or not, to be honest I am not 100% sure.

One thing is sure the same names appear, time and time again in all the businesses, people Denise, Nada, Farrugia and many others are associated with, is this just a coincidence of unlucky business people in the number of dissolve companies they are associated with?
[Post edited 18 Feb 2022 17:57]
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 17:39 - Feb 18 with 5944 viewsJames1980

Are the Sacco's a Red Herring should I stop thinking about the Sacco's?

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 18:44 - Feb 18 with 5821 viewsJumeirahDale

Looks like Andy Curran is finally going to get his wish of going somewhere where disputes are resolved with fists.

Such a shame innit.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:43 - Feb 18 with 5691 viewsjonahwhereru

I know some have been critical of the EFL speed of reaction to what’s going on with this crew. But to be fair there is a minefield of stuff to plough through. Can imagine at EFL HQ there is a cork board about 8ft square with dozens of pins with bit of string passing between a host of companies, football clubs and dodgy individuals with either real or possibly made up names. Certainly some of them seem to struggle to spell their own name correctly. Have to admit these tw-ts must have something about them to be able to keep up with all their own dealings.
It’s like the three cups and a ball trick, trying to workout which cup the money is under (if there is any real money at all of course). Then there must be of course because some of it is sat under Altman and co’s cups.
This is forensic financial investigator stuff.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:56 - Feb 18 with 5634 viewsD_Alien

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:43 - Feb 18 by jonahwhereru

I know some have been critical of the EFL speed of reaction to what’s going on with this crew. But to be fair there is a minefield of stuff to plough through. Can imagine at EFL HQ there is a cork board about 8ft square with dozens of pins with bit of string passing between a host of companies, football clubs and dodgy individuals with either real or possibly made up names. Certainly some of them seem to struggle to spell their own name correctly. Have to admit these tw-ts must have something about them to be able to keep up with all their own dealings.
It’s like the three cups and a ball trick, trying to workout which cup the money is under (if there is any real money at all of course). Then there must be of course because some of it is sat under Altman and co’s cups.
This is forensic financial investigator stuff.


Let's get this straight

What you've described isn't the role of the EFL, i.e. investigating all the financial dealings of the various parties involved. It's much more simple than that

The EFL have a set of rules which, if breached, prevents those involved from ownership (or directorship) of clubs within their remit

It's been demonstrated ad nauseam that those involved in the hostile attempted takeover of Dale are in breach of those rules; already and without equivocation

The EFL is hiding behind the very smokescreen created by the shysters. The EFL is not fit for purpose

[Post edited 18 Feb 2022 20:00]

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:03 - Feb 18 with 5594 viewsDorkingDale

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 18:44 - Feb 18 by JumeirahDale

Looks like Andy Curran is finally going to get his wish of going somewhere where disputes are resolved with fists.

Such a shame innit.


I wish. The retribution doled out to Dona Nada wouldn't suggest so.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:07 - Feb 18 with 5567 viewsDorkingDale

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:56 - Feb 18 by D_Alien

Let's get this straight

What you've described isn't the role of the EFL, i.e. investigating all the financial dealings of the various parties involved. It's much more simple than that

The EFL have a set of rules which, if breached, prevents those involved from ownership (or directorship) of clubs within their remit

It's been demonstrated ad nauseam that those involved in the hostile attempted takeover of Dale are in breach of those rules; already and without equivocation

The EFL is hiding behind the very smokescreen created by the shysters. The EFL is not fit for purpose

[Post edited 18 Feb 2022 20:00]


Absolutely - the EFL have no jurisdiction over these financial dealings. They have a clear mandate - to decide who is a fit & proper person to own more than 30% of an EFL club.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:08 - Feb 18 with 5557 viewsjonahwhereru

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:56 - Feb 18 by D_Alien

Let's get this straight

What you've described isn't the role of the EFL, i.e. investigating all the financial dealings of the various parties involved. It's much more simple than that

The EFL have a set of rules which, if breached, prevents those involved from ownership (or directorship) of clubs within their remit

It's been demonstrated ad nauseam that those involved in the hostile attempted takeover of Dale are in breach of those rules; already and without equivocation

The EFL is hiding behind the very smokescreen created by the shysters. The EFL is not fit for purpose

[Post edited 18 Feb 2022 20:00]


Have marked this up as I agree with every word.

To future proof and new dodgy deals it would still be appropriate for them to try and get a decent handle on all the dodgy characters involved in these murky dealings. At the same time they could make their fit and proper persons test actually fit and proper, for a start, but have reservations about how much stomach the have to make sweeping changes.

I reckon Parry expected to swim in calmer waters in the EFL, but it’s cutting up a bit rough.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:13 - Feb 18 with 5525 viewsRAFCBLUE

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:56 - Feb 18 by D_Alien

Let's get this straight

What you've described isn't the role of the EFL, i.e. investigating all the financial dealings of the various parties involved. It's much more simple than that

The EFL have a set of rules which, if breached, prevents those involved from ownership (or directorship) of clubs within their remit

It's been demonstrated ad nauseam that those involved in the hostile attempted takeover of Dale are in breach of those rules; already and without equivocation

The EFL is hiding behind the very smokescreen created by the shysters. The EFL is not fit for purpose

[Post edited 18 Feb 2022 20:00]


The thing is DA, we as supporters are just going to have to keep posting all of this information so that it is given the light of day.

With facts, links, figures, dates, times, sightings, phone numbers, emails and anything else we get our hands on.

What sort of people sue the fans of an EFL club in the High Court?

Arrogant and unprepared t*ssers who have no respect for football or the football family.

Why can't the EFL see what is clearly visible?

George Bernard Shaw had it right: "He who can does; he who cannot, teaches." https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:22 - Feb 18 with 5492 viewsDorkingDale

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:13 - Feb 18 by RAFCBLUE

The thing is DA, we as supporters are just going to have to keep posting all of this information so that it is given the light of day.

With facts, links, figures, dates, times, sightings, phone numbers, emails and anything else we get our hands on.

What sort of people sue the fans of an EFL club in the High Court?

Arrogant and unprepared t*ssers who have no respect for football or the football family.

Why can't the EFL see what is clearly visible?


I think they know very well - but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Hopefully there are several Government agencies involved & they may well have consulted with the EFL. There is a very plausible scenario that the EFl have their hands tied until those investigations are completed.
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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:42 - Feb 18 with 5448 viewsD_Alien

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:22 - Feb 18 by DorkingDale

I think they know very well - but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Hopefully there are several Government agencies involved & they may well have consulted with the EFL. There is a very plausible scenario that the EFl have their hands tied until those investigations are completed.


It is plausible, but simply confirms that the EFL aren't fit for purpose

The legislative outcome of the Tracy Crouch review (see the Fair Game website for more details) is the key to putting this and future attempts at hostile takeover to bed

There's a petition to sign and it's planned that the first week in April will see a big publicity campaign to ensure the review gets the proper attention it deserves in parliament

We play Swindon at home on Saturday, 2 April. Both clubs have had their ability to function hamstrung by those seeking to gain ownership for their own financial ends, so it'd be a great opportunity to push this and attract as much media attention as possible

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:54 - Feb 18 with 5408 viewsjudd

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 20:08 - Feb 18 by jonahwhereru

Have marked this up as I agree with every word.

To future proof and new dodgy deals it would still be appropriate for them to try and get a decent handle on all the dodgy characters involved in these murky dealings. At the same time they could make their fit and proper persons test actually fit and proper, for a start, but have reservations about how much stomach the have to make sweeping changes.

I reckon Parry expected to swim in calmer waters in the EFL, but it’s cutting up a bit rough.


The OADT has been evolving since 2004 in response to events after the fact.

Until they come out on our side I would caution against any vitriolic comments toward them.

I think they will.

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The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 21:07 - Feb 18 with 5378 viewsSuddenLad

The Fans Forum question about Village Energy Solutions and Morton House on 19:43 - Feb 18 by jonahwhereru

I know some have been critical of the EFL speed of reaction to what’s going on with this crew. But to be fair there is a minefield of stuff to plough through. Can imagine at EFL HQ there is a cork board about 8ft square with dozens of pins with bit of string passing between a host of companies, football clubs and dodgy individuals with either real or possibly made up names. Certainly some of them seem to struggle to spell their own name correctly. Have to admit these tw-ts must have something about them to be able to keep up with all their own dealings.
It’s like the three cups and a ball trick, trying to workout which cup the money is under (if there is any real money at all of course). Then there must be of course because some of it is sat under Altman and co’s cups.
This is forensic financial investigator stuff.


I would like to think that the pinboard/whiteboard scenario is being replicated in the offices of the Serious Fraud Office and the HMRC investigations teams.

There is enough material and evidence being produced on these boards for a competent barrister to have an absolute field day with these clowns.

Quite how they imagine they can evade the inevitable end game is a mystery and their arrogance - or stupidity - is breathtaking.

Whilst I share much of the frustration concerning the apparent impotence of the EFL, I have come round to the idea that they are perhaps waiting for the outcome of other investigations so that they can use those verdicts/decisions to effectively do their job for them in that they will be able to prove, legally, that these people are entirely unfit be be involved with football at any level.

That day can't come soon enough.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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