| Sack Will Still Poll 09:26 - Oct 27 with 5667 views | SaintNick |
The polls always puzzle me, nearly 1,000 people have viewed the Sack Will Still put up yesterday but only 53 people actually bothered to vote.
It currently stands at 70% of those want Still sacked |  |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 09:38 - Oct 27 with 5624 views | jopreston |
I noticed yesterday that to vote you have to be logged in. So I wonder if a lot of the people viewing are not members? |  | | |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 09:40 - Oct 27 with 5616 views | dirk_doone |
A lot of fans are unsure about this because they don't trust Sport Republic to appoint a better manager. The next one will be the 8th under Sport Republic and there haven't been signs of them improving.
It's also difficult for ANY manager to win games without a proper goalkeeper or centre forward. I don't class McCarthy and Archer as anywhere near adequate at this level, as they wouldn't get into the starting lineup of any other team in the Championship. [Post edited 27 Oct 9:47]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 09:55 - Oct 27 with 5558 views | SonicBoom |
Yes they would.
But anyway my frustration is that I still think we have a team that should be in the top 3. We have more quality than pretty much anyone else.
The issue is Still cant get a performance out of them.
We were dogshit last year but we are massively underacheiving this season. |  | | |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 10:02 - Oct 27 with 5533 views | dirk_doone |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 09:55 - Oct 27 by SonicBoom |
Yes they would.
But anyway my frustration is that I still think we have a team that should be in the top 3. We have more quality than pretty much anyone else.
The issue is Still cant get a performance out of them.
We were dogshit last year but we are massively underacheiving this season. |
No, they wouldn't. Which Championship goalkeeper and centre forward do you think McCarthy and Archer are better than?
The stats show that our goalkeepers have THE WORST save percentage in the entire Championship this season. 55.6%. Even Pompey's have 72.3%:
xG stats also indicate that our strikers miss the highest percentage of chances in the league.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-Stats
With even an average Championship goalkeeper and centre forward, we'd currently be in the top 6. The Blackburn game was the latest in a long line of games we've lost points in because we have the worst goalkeeper and centre forward in the league. [Post edited 27 Oct 10:15]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 10:33 - Oct 27 with 5431 views | DorsetIan |
Do we have options to bring in people despite the window being closed? |  |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 10:54 - Oct 27 with 5382 views | dirk_doone |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 10:33 - Oct 27 by DorsetIan |
Do we have options to bring in people despite the window being closed? |
Only players who are currently unemployed, I believe, and for them to not be wanted by anyone, even League 2 clubs, after so many months, means they have serious issues, like long-term injuries or end of career permanent loss of form.
It was frustrating that Still left Oyekunle unused, on the bench, at Blackburn. We might have found out that he is currently the best available centre forward we have in the squad. My biggest criticism of Still is his poor use of substitutes i.e. taking off our best players, when they are the main reason we are controlling the game, and replacing them with the wrong subs. [Post edited 27 Oct 11:06]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:12 - Oct 27 with 5337 views | Wints76 |
I just don't know. We cant keep sacking managers and expecting improvement. However, he should never have been appointed, the players don't seem enamoured by him and I worry who we would appoint. Another experiment as we show how clever we are?
I am not convinced the players we have are as good as we are told they are either. |  | | |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:18 - Oct 27 with 5319 views | MytchettSaint |
Didn’t spot a poll but as much as I didn’t think WS was the right appointment in the first place I have absolutely no confidence in the clowns in charge to change tact and go for anything other than another left field replacement. In which case we might as well stick with what we’ve ended up with (until SR are no longer making the decisions) |  |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:32 - Oct 27 with 5270 views | SonicBoom |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:12 - Oct 27 by Wints76 |
I just don't know. We cant keep sacking managers and expecting improvement. However, he should never have been appointed, the players don't seem enamoured by him and I worry who we would appoint. Another experiment as we show how clever we are?
I am not convinced the players we have are as good as we are told they are either. |
Agree with this.
How on earth can any club have 5 managers in a year.
What that says very clearly is that our current method of identifying managers doesn't work. I assume its stats driven because everything is these days.
So if we use the same method again why will be get a different result.
I can only hope that if u go through enough managers we'll eventually get lucky.
As for the earlier post I think most championship teams would take Archer. We paid nearly 15 million for him. How many other teams spent that.
We know McCarthy is a good enough championship keeper. What we have is a team of good players, playing terribly.
Exactly why, I don't know. But a really good manager doesn't have this team in 20th place. | | | |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:51 - Oct 27 with 5242 views | GRIM |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:12 - Oct 27 by Wints76 |
I just don't know. We cant keep sacking managers and expecting improvement. However, he should never have been appointed, the players don't seem enamoured by him and I worry who we would appoint. Another experiment as we show how clever we are?
I am not convinced the players we have are as good as we are told they are either. |
Nail on the head !.
We are not good enough as a club.
The Owners should not be involved in Football club ownership, there are parts of winning football matches that can't be managed by Businessmen.
The list of very poor Coaches / managers we've had have mainly been way out of their depth.
And as you quite rightly say the current squad of players just ain't good enough,
( with a couple of exceptions) because they being paid Premiership salaries they think that they are too good for the Championship.
The whole club needs a reset, it's no good just making the coaches scapegoats to cover up the real problem. | | | |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 13:08 - Oct 27 with 5135 views | Southamptonfan |
So 70 per cent on here want Still gone immediately. A few saying they don't trust SR to get the next appointment right, so arn't sure, but he's lost the fansbase now. He has to go. [Post edited 27 Oct 13:12]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 14:03 - Oct 27 with 5066 views | TimSaint |
Nick - Perhaps it is down to multiple viewings. Maybe the 50 or so people have each looked at the poll 20 times, to see how their original votes are in the overall standings ?
Or people take a look and think what is the point in voting ? It is hardly going to influence the owners in any way.
After Bristol City it was bad enough, but then the result at Blackburn made up a lot of people's minds, so are you surprised at the 70% ? |  |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 14:58 - Oct 27 with 4987 views | blubberboy |
Whatever my opinion of Still I don't think the timing is quite right. This is such a competitive league that two consecutive wins (or two defeats) can change things a lot. SR won't want to create more instability but they've also shown that they're not afraid to make big calls. Will Still will be given until the next international break but if things haven't improved by then I would be surprised if the Board failed to act. | | | |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 10:42 - Oct 28 with 4577 views | Flamingbankers |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 11:51 - Oct 27 by GRIM |
Nail on the head !.
We are not good enough as a club.
The Owners should not be involved in Football club ownership, there are parts of winning football matches that can't be managed by Businessmen.
The list of very poor Coaches / managers we've had have mainly been way out of their depth.
And as you quite rightly say the current squad of players just ain't good enough,
( with a couple of exceptions) because they being paid Premiership salaries they think that they are too good for the Championship.
The whole club needs a reset, it's no good just making the coaches scapegoats to cover up the real problem. |
Spot on.
The fans have been duped by SR. It was a coup d'etat in the first place. They're a business concern not a football one ( many of us said this at the beginning).
Their three club model, reckless waste of academy talent, transfer funds and signings and poor managerial signings, are proof enough.
I bet they're paying themselves off nicely ( I'd like to know how much. Presumably several million a year each).
Southampton FC is first and foremost a community football club and not an extractor of wealth of punters, for it's owners. SR must know this, couldn't care and simply ignore it. They're not interested in finding and applying the correct balance as seen with Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Crystal Palace, Sunderland etc. | |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 07:46 - Oct 29 with 4262 views | mushinexile |
Much as I agree with your sentiments, SFC is no longer a community sports club. It is a slave trading company. Anybody remember the old banger sales place in Bevois Valley where they would flog anything that could move? | |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 08:44 - Oct 29 with 4219 views | 1teeminants |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 13:08 - Oct 27 by Southamptonfan |
So 70 per cent on here want Still gone immediately. A few saying they don't trust SR to get the next appointment right, so arn't sure, but he's lost the fansbase now. He has to go. [Post edited 27 Oct 13:12]
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Will Still will be given a few more games yet. If you remember Russell Martin was on a very bad run or results yet the owners failed to act for a while and I can’t see them changing their style with Will Still. When you compare Stills situation to Martin it isn’t as bad. With RM we were getting stuffed every week whereas with Still at least we’ve won a couple and drawn a few. I reckon they’ll give him another 3/4 games at least. [Post edited 29 Oct 8:46]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 14:37 - Oct 29 with 4056 views | Southamptonfan |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 08:44 - Oct 29 by 1teeminants |
Will Still will be given a few more games yet. If you remember Russell Martin was on a very bad run or results yet the owners failed to act for a while and I can’t see them changing their style with Will Still. When you compare Stills situation to Martin it isn’t as bad. With RM we were getting stuffed every week whereas with Still at least we’ve won a couple and drawn a few. I reckon they’ll give him another 3/4 games at least. [Post edited 29 Oct 8:46]
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Except RM had achieved promotion (so deserved more time as he had proven he could win games) and RM was in a higher league with players who were nowhere near good enough for the Premier League.
I am not sure I can say that Fellows, Azaz, Stephens, Harwood-Bellis, Woods, Edwards, Flynn Downes, Charles, Sciensa, Armstrong are nowhere near good enough for the Championship. We have spent nearly 60 million on players, the highest in the league. So in this case, it's crazy that we can't beat sides like Blackburn who haven't won at home for 6 months and have very poor players amd haven't spent a penny on their team. You have to look at the manager here and ask why he isn't getting the best out of proven championship players. He's learning,.learning, learning but that's not what we need. By the time he has learnt, we will be in league one. [Post edited 29 Oct 14:42]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 06:59 - Oct 30 with 3864 views | 1teeminants |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 14:37 - Oct 29 by Southamptonfan |
Except RM had achieved promotion (so deserved more time as he had proven he could win games) and RM was in a higher league with players who were nowhere near good enough for the Premier League.
I am not sure I can say that Fellows, Azaz, Stephens, Harwood-Bellis, Woods, Edwards, Flynn Downes, Charles, Sciensa, Armstrong are nowhere near good enough for the Championship. We have spent nearly 60 million on players, the highest in the league. So in this case, it's crazy that we can't beat sides like Blackburn who haven't won at home for 6 months and have very poor players amd haven't spent a penny on their team. You have to look at the manager here and ask why he isn't getting the best out of proven championship players. He's learning,.learning, learning but that's not what we need. By the time he has learnt, we will be in league one. [Post edited 29 Oct 14:42]
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I understand what you’re saying about RM . Will Still came here highly rated by many though and he did ok at previous clubs without being outstanding. I’m not saying Will Still is the answer but I’m pretty certain Solak will give him a few more games yet. WS does make some weird decisions but I think we’ve all moaned about decisions of our past few managers, that’s what fans do. I liked the fact WS wasn’t scared to drop Stephens or THB when Edwards and Wood were performing well, to me that shows he’s got something about him. I just think he’ll get another 3/4 games from now then they’ll probably act if results still bad. | |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 08:58 - Oct 30 with 3780 views | grumpy |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 06:59 - Oct 30 by 1teeminants |
I understand what you’re saying about RM . Will Still came here highly rated by many though and he did ok at previous clubs without being outstanding. I’m not saying Will Still is the answer but I’m pretty certain Solak will give him a few more games yet. WS does make some weird decisions but I think we’ve all moaned about decisions of our past few managers, that’s what fans do. I liked the fact WS wasn’t scared to drop Stephens or THB when Edwards and Wood were performing well, to me that shows he’s got something about him. I just think he’ll get another 3/4 games from now then they’ll probably act if results still bad. |
'another 3/4 games'
Then it will drag on till Christmas.
WS will win the odd game and so it drags on.
Its like death from a thousand cuts.
Mind you being a Saints fan is like that these days.
I saw the crowds reaction to the equalizer at the u21 game last night,it was amazing.
All Saints fans want is optimism that we are moving in the right direction and a victories thrown in on the way. [Post edited 30 Oct 11:26]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 14:28 - Oct 30 with 3634 views | 1teeminants |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 08:58 - Oct 30 by grumpy |
'another 3/4 games'
Then it will drag on till Christmas.
WS will win the odd game and so it drags on.
Its like death from a thousand cuts.
Mind you being a Saints fan is like that these days.
I saw the crowds reaction to the equalizer at the u21 game last night,it was amazing.
All Saints fans want is optimism that we are moving in the right direction and a victories thrown in on the way. [Post edited 30 Oct 11:26]
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I’m just saying what I think they’ll do Grumpy not saying I agree with it . | |
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 15:22 - Oct 30 with 3591 views | Southamptonfan |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 06:59 - Oct 30 by 1teeminants |
I understand what you’re saying about RM . Will Still came here highly rated by many though and he did ok at previous clubs without being outstanding. I’m not saying Will Still is the answer but I’m pretty certain Solak will give him a few more games yet. WS does make some weird decisions but I think we’ve all moaned about decisions of our past few managers, that’s what fans do. I liked the fact WS wasn’t scared to drop Stephens or THB when Edwards and Wood were performing well, to me that shows he’s got something about him. I just think he’ll get another 3/4 games from now then they’ll probably act if results still bad. |
I think that's probably their plan. Saturday will be a key factor in their decision. Lose badly Saturday with the fans kicking off, I think they will get rid afer this game. If we get a result, yes they will then give him the next 2 or 3 games before the international break. We might get a result somewhere, or put in a performance because of the extreme pressure put on them by the home crowd, but I don't think he's the right guy long term. He's not fierce enough, confident enough, and has too much to learn about winning games. The players don't jump for their lives in front of shots, they arn't motivated, they don't give enough. It's not aggressive enough to win games. I want another manager but we shall see. [Post edited 30 Oct 15:23]
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| Sack Will Still Poll on 17:21 - Oct 30 with 3545 views | grumpy |
| Sack Will Still Poll on 14:28 - Oct 30 by 1teeminants |
I’m just saying what I think they’ll do Grumpy not saying I agree with it . |
I didn't think you were,1teem.
Just frustrated you are probably right in that they will take maybe 3/4 weeks or more before making a decision.
I can see WS winning the odd game and dragging the inevitable out.
I say inevitable because those last two defeats convinced me he is not the man for the job. | | | |
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