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T2C and LD we go further.... 12:02 - Dec 24 with 12145 views

I was going to pm this one instead of posting it public. Some of you I'm finding hard to stomach and I genuinely can't see why people feel it ok to not challenge the goings on at our club.

If we challenge things and everything is rosy then great, that's what we all want, if it's not, we should be discussing this with a belief we can do something about it.

So once again, for the real thicko's out there.... I didn't want this meeting and didn't want to go. I went because I was asked and also because I wasn't afraid to.

If you read anything new, great, if it's old hat then I can't help that can I? But I've been asked to report back and I will try again this time.

Bearing in mind we were together 2 and a half hours, even with yesterday's and the below, it's still hardly any of the time we were actually talking accounted for...

So just some notes, some anecdotally, some more to the point, but notes nonetheless...

You did put money in League one though - not that I know of if it was 2006 he said.

So anyway, I asked him like I said did the a trust know and Leigh kept saying everyone knew. I asked did the Trust know and he said yes, of course but what did I mean? And I gave the scenario I have been fearing by stating on here regularly - what if Huw C became a shareholder in his own right while being our Trust Director. He said it was different then - I asked why - and he said because everyone was doing what they could to keep the football club afloat.

I explained going back to why the meeting was even taking place in the first place and that I'm not some fan that's jumped on the bandwagon of late or doesn't watch us from one year to the next, I've been through winding up orders before and have followed this club religiously for over 30 years. He agreed. So I explained why I feel it is important that issues are discussed openly and as much transparency as possible is achieved. I said we have a right to do that.

I explained to him that his company has been showing up on the last four accounts. Payments for goods and services had gone up from around £20,000 in May 10 to £91,000 or thereabouts in the last set published

I asked him if he was charging the club consultancy fees and he said that was part of his wages. He said some people take their wages as wages and he takes some of his salary as wages and some in dividends

He said a lot if the increase that BVS has seen over the last 4 accountancy years is, and he paused, "water" - I asked why he wasn't supplying water before 2010. He explained that he wasn't just Commercial Director, I'm everything.... I'm Stadium Director, I'm Premier Club Director, I'm Chairman of the Community Trust, Swan Aid. I asked him why he was all these posts and he said because we didn't have the money at the time for them to be individually deployed.

I said he hasn't been Commercial Director for that long. He stated he has been Commercial Director for 12 years? Huw Jenkins took over the football side of things and he did the commercial bit. He also stated much later in the conversation that Tenko did most of the stuff they didn't want to do with the more admin side of things, filling out forms etc.... I quizzed this and asked if he meant he was CD in all but name and he said yes.

So that prompted me into reminding him about the old adage we read on here so many times, which is Premier League on the pitch - League 2 off it. He said yeah, I'd love to know why?! Well I said it was true because you're still in the same posts as when we were in League 2. I asked him outright after hearing this - "do you have the necessary experience to be a Commercial Director in the Premier League" to which he replied factually, "I've got 12 years"

I asked him does he have any season objectives in terms of revenue targets. He said he is targeted by the board every year.

I said what fans will come back with is if we are looking for outside investment, why can't it be done organically from increased commercial gain? He said fans have got this idea we should be competing in the sponsorship stakes with the likes of Man United. I stated I don't think anyone thinks that. He went onto say We compete within our level. Our shirt sponsor is 8th best in the EPL, so take the top 6 out then that's good. I said that's just a stat and they can be massaged and manipulated and he reminded me this was in the papers, the Guardian. I then said is that figure down to the fact it was only a short term contract thinking it was only one season with GWFX he said, no it's 3. I said it was only one at the time and he said that was his boards decision as they only wanted one year deals to not tie them down for longer than they might have wanted. GWFX will be sponsor again next season.

I then reminded him of a statement that came out of the club whereby it said that they were looking at Stadium expansion through revenue from naming rights and advertising. I said as soon as that statement was released, it was almost like it never existed afterwards. I even thought it was him who released it but he stated it wasn't and that he didn't really know about this?!

He also said the stadium doesn't belong to us and we didn't get anything from the Liberty deal. I pointed out that if the Swans could find a super deal with naming rights I'm sure the necessary negotiations could take place with Stadco so that the Swans benefitted greatly from that, or even the stadium through expansion itself. He said "potentially" if he was to find a business partner he would then negotiate with the stadium owners that we want x amount from this but at the moment we can't.

There's literally loads more.... But over to you dicks to start the next bout of criticising in the meeting I never wanted or asked for.

[Post edited 24 Dec 2014 12:10]

	You're all out of time....the past was yours but the future's mine.
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T2C and LD we go further.... on 22:32 - Dec 24 with 2041 views

BobJack

" So once again, for the real thicko's out there.... I didn't want this meeting and didn't want to go. I went because I was asked and also because I wasn't afraid to".

There's a movie in there somewhere.

How many more parts will there be before anything of great note or is it all along same lines ? Genuine question as struggling to see the point in the meeting up to now, based on questions and answers posted, between the 2 of you.

Seems a big fuss being made over nothing. If the Trust / Phil have learnt alot from T2C notes and puts them / us in a stronger position going forward, then great. Just can't see that in whats been reported so far.

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T2C and LD we go further.... on 22:36 - Dec 24 with 2028 views

VetchitBack

Paxman's getting on.

The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 22:37 - Dec 24 with 2014 views

Rancid

T2C and LD we go further.... on 13:00 - Dec 24 by _
I believe Darran instigated this meeting. That's all I will say on that part of it. That's what Darran does, that's who he is, that's what he's been doing on this message board for ten years plus. Beware of what Darran is capable of doing, and all underhand and through secret innuendo.

Well done Chris for having the balls to turn up and confront your concerns.See you boxing day around the Smiths and town if you're about!!

T2C and LD we go further.... on 22:43 - Dec 24 with 1981 views

Millie

Jim, no one is answerable to that kunt, the nutty town that is monkey is me, when?

-1

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:03 - Dec 24 with 1919 views

budegan

T2C and LD we go further.... on 22:09 - Dec 24 by swansinfo

Happy to go for a pint Chris and I will talk through what we are doing as a trust

I TOTALLY agree we need to do more to shout and make people aware of what we do but believe me its not because we don' want to. Its a matter of time sometimes and also because maybe we don't blow our own trumpet as much as we should.

we are aware we need to do this more and we will.

That doesn't mean we are some form of closet organisation that doesnt reach out to fans because we are and we want to. I am happy to meet for a pint and show/outline the passion that I, Huw, Phil and others have for taking this club forward.

Fans can say and think what they like. They can moan and shout, put banners and write anything on message boards. They can comment on boards, write to the post, march in the city and phone radio shows about what they DON'T like and want but the reality is that WE as a group of fans own 21% of this great club. We are the drivers of its destiny and the trust is the group that is driven and managed by fans.

We want to secure the long term future of the club. We want Swansea City to succeed and be the club we all want it to be but we don't want it to be at the potential expense so that when you and I have kids there is no club to support (see Hereford)

We have the same destination. The trust is the vehicle to try and get us there. Trust me on that

Let me know when you want the pint.

Jim

Why oh why is this behaviour still being indulged?

Kick this user off this forum & stop giving him the attention.

The damage he's doing to this board, and our club is absolutely stunning.

He's an abusive bully. The fact that a board member's CHILDREN felt pressurised enough to make their dad go and meet the bully is hideous. Is that what this board is all about? It's bloody disgusting.

Please let it stop now.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:05 - Dec 24 with 1914 views

Dr_Winston

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:03 - Dec 24 by budegan

What damage is he doing to the club exactly?

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:07 - Dec 24 with 1912 views

skippyjack

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:05 - Dec 24 by Dr_Winston
What damage is he doing to the club exactly?

I don't know Dr.. it's getting weird on here lately.

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T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:11 - Dec 24 with 1898 views

Dr_Winston

Man makes comments on website. Subject of comments wants meeting. Both are rational adults. Both attend meeting. Both part on a handshake.

Cue wailing and protests.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:12 - Dec 24 with 1894 views

Millie

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:05 - Dec 24 by Dr_Winston
What damage is he doing to the club exactly?

Today I done the station, alma, GLOBE, Wernn, railway, coopers, commercial and then Morrison, next?

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:22 - Dec 24 with 1861 views

budegan

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:11 - Dec 24 by Dr_Winston
Man makes comments on website. Subject of comments wants meeting. Both are rational adults. Both attend meeting. Both part on a handshake. Cue wailing and protests.

Man bullies, besmirches and libels other man. Other man's children read this and are so upset they persuade father to meet bully. Bully's ego inflates even further; bully encouraged to continue toxic behaviour.

That is aside from the vileness bully spreads around this site.

Phil deserves a bloody medal.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:25 - Dec 24 with 1854 views

Dr_Winston

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:22 - Dec 24 by budegan
Man bullies, besmirches and libels other man. Other man's children read this and are so upset they persuade father to meet bully. Bully's ego inflates even further; bully encouraged to continue toxic behaviour. That is aside from the vileness bully spreads around this site. Phil deserves a bloody medal.

The best kind of outrage is outrage on behalf of someone else.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:32 - Dec 24 with 1835 views

budegan

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:25 - Dec 24 by Dr_Winston
The best kind of outrage is outrage on behalf of someone else.

You should use that one more - it might just take off.

I sincerely hope you're not in the position where you're discouraging your own children to read a football website because you're worried that antisocial behaviour is treated as somewhere between acceptable & admirable.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:39 - Dec 24 with 1820 views

perchrockjack

This thread is certainly addictive, and it shows the downside of Internet forums where human nature at its worst can vent it's spleen.

We are clearly in factions, chums drinking with chums when the chums will congratulate each other as men do..

Taking an objective view at this fetid carnage makes us and the club look filthy.

We simply cannot help ourselves.

One love, one heart, let's get together and be alright

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T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:58 - Dec 24 with 1773 views

Leigh has been in touch with me today...

""Chris. I read your 2 posts and think you have been pretty candid and kept it in the mood it was meant so i thank u for that""

	You're all out of time....the past was yours but the future's mine.
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T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:59 - Dec 24 with 1768 views

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:32 - Dec 24 by budegan
You should use that one more - it might just take off. I sincerely hope you're not in the position where you're discouraging your own children to read a football website because you're worried that antisocial behaviour is treated as somewhere between acceptable & admirable.

His kids are 17 and 20

	You're all out of time....the past was yours but the future's mine.
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T2C and LD we go further.... on 00:33 - Dec 25 with 1712 views

budegan

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:59 - Dec 24 by _
His kids are 17 and 20

I was actually referring to my kids.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 08:19 - Dec 25 with 1625 views

Dr_Winston

T2C and LD we go further.... on 23:32 - Dec 24 by budegan
You should use that one more - it might just take off. I sincerely hope you're not in the position where you're discouraging your own children to read a football website because you're worried that antisocial behaviour is treated as somewhere between acceptable & admirable.

I don't have children, so I don't have that problem.

Even if I did setting them an example would be my responsibility, not some random people on a website.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 09:21 - Dec 25 with 1581 views

Brynmill_Jack

T2C and LD we go further.... on 00:33 - Dec 25 by budegan
I was actually referring to my kids.

Do your kids enjoy reading the cr@p Darran dishes out to people or is that ok because you like him? Serious question

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T2C and LD we go further.... on 09:27 - Dec 25 with 1575 views

T2C and LD we go further.... on 09:21 - Dec 25 by Brynmill_Jack
Do your kids enjoy reading the cr@p Darran dishes out to people or is that ok because you like him? Serious question

Excellent question too. As I've said just now on the other thread. It's amazing how these "perfect" posters turn a blind eye to the abuse and sly, snidey, bullying nature if it's their friends doing it.

	You're all out of time....the past was yours but the future's mine.
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T2C and LD we go further.... on 09:29 - Dec 25 with 1568 views

Brynmill_Jack

T2C and LD we go further.... on 15:54 - Dec 24 by waynekerr55
I meant from his own success at BVS. I'd however question the skill set of the team as a whole

Don't forget L.D. Master Builders

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T2C and LD we go further.... on 09:45 - Dec 25 with 1550 views

Clinton

It's positive that members of the board are placed under scrutiny, it lets them know they are under the microscope.
It's positive that the self same member comes out and defends himself, in the interests of openness and not letting issues simmer on.
It seems to me, as a fan but not an insider, that T2C s activism is healthy and maybe best expressed outside the formal structure of the trust. It prods and pokes any complacency that might be setting in, although no doubt it's a pain in the arse for the incumbents. Board and Trust.
We, the fans, all now know a few things we didn't previously.
When it all dies down, there might be a few bridges to mend, but it will be seen as a positive interlude, I'm sure.
If the likes of Swansea Council and WAG were held up to such knowledgeable scrutiny we'd all be living in a better place.

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T2C and LD we go further.... on 10:23 - Dec 25 with 1509 views

tomdickharry

What did Mr Dineen say about the horrific LED's lights facing fans in the East?

T2C and LD we go further.... on 11:27 - Dec 25 with 1447 views

T2C and LD we go further.... on 10:23 - Dec 25 by tomdickharry
What did Mr Dineen say about the horrific LED's lights facing fans in the East?

Yes he did and I will try to get around to it. But just quickly he said that they had reduced the light exposure by 80% and even went back to the advertisers to tell them that they would be increasing the time each advertisement would stay on the screen for, which he hoped would reduce the blink, blink affect. He also couldn't get his head around why they put the floodlights so low and they're aware very much on how this is all affecting fans. Like I say though, I'll go into this in a bit more detail soon.

	You're all out of time....the past was yours but the future's mine.
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T2C and LD we go further.... on 16:12 - Dec 25 with 1339 views

tomdickharry

T2C and LD we go further.... on 11:27 - Dec 25 by _

Thanks for that, looking forward to the more detailed report,the word horrific still applies.

T2C and LD we go further.... on 19:58 - Dec 25 with 1231 views

Flashberryjack

T2C and LD we go further.... on 11:27 - Dec 25 by _

Thanks

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