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WTF 08:29 - Mar 9 with 1282 viewsdailew

"Loss-making Royal Bank of Scotland has awarded bonuses in shares to its top management team worth almost £16m.

The announcement by the Edinburgh-based bank also included details of £6m in bonuses that have been paid out after being awarded in previous years.

Last month, RBS reported losses of £8bn for 2016

A year ago, the management team were awarded bonuses worth £17.4m."



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/08/royal-bank-of-scotland-rbs-awar
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WTF on 08:50 - Mar 9 with 1120 viewsNogginthenog

Have to retain the best staff see.
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WTF on 09:05 - Mar 9 with 1107 viewsLoyal

WTF on 08:50 - Mar 9 by Nogginthenog

Have to retain the best staff see.


Or they would lose more ?

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WTF on 09:15 - Mar 9 with 1092 viewslondonlisa2001

The crucial part of the sentence is 'in shares'.

They are nominally worth £16m but unless the share price rises substantially, through the bank's performance, they are worth nothing. It's a very sensible way of rewarding people albeit it allows people to mistakenly think they've been given shed loads of cash.

The limit on cash bonuses at RBS is very small. It was around £10k, and the rest has to be shares.
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WTF on 09:25 - Mar 9 with 1081 viewsjack247

Making a loss doesn't necessarily mean those individuals failed. If they made a smaller loss than anticipated, they have effectively succeeded. We don't know what their targets were or whether they hit them.
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WTF on 09:42 - Mar 9 with 1067 viewsdailew

WTF on 09:15 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

The crucial part of the sentence is 'in shares'.

They are nominally worth £16m but unless the share price rises substantially, through the bank's performance, they are worth nothing. It's a very sensible way of rewarding people albeit it allows people to mistakenly think they've been given shed loads of cash.

The limit on cash bonuses at RBS is very small. It was around £10k, and the rest has to be shares.


"They are nominally worth £16m but unless the share price rises substantially, through the bank's performance, they are worth nothing"

Surely they are still worth £16m if they stay the same value. I don't think these are share options.

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WTF on 09:15 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

The crucial part of the sentence is 'in shares'.

They are nominally worth £16m but unless the share price rises substantially, through the bank's performance, they are worth nothing. It's a very sensible way of rewarding people albeit it allows people to mistakenly think they've been given shed loads of cash.

The limit on cash bonuses at RBS is very small. It was around £10k, and the rest has to be shares.


Hmm. I'd quite happily take shares worth a nominal value of £16m from them. Especially as we're just coming off the back of a financial crisis.

Rewarded for failure, bailed out, one of the worse culprits for mis-selling. Awful bank. And whilst it's majority public owned any bonuses (however thinly disguised) stick in the craw.
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WTF on 10:55 - Mar 9 with 1039 viewspikeypaul

Why would anyone be surprised?

On another note it's nice to see Osborne pick up his £650,000 for his one day
a week job.I wonder how much tax he will pay on that?

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WTF on 11:06 - Mar 9 with 1028 viewslondonlisa2001

WTF on 09:42 - Mar 9 by dailew

"They are nominally worth £16m but unless the share price rises substantially, through the bank's performance, they are worth nothing"

Surely they are still worth £16m if they stay the same value. I don't think these are share options.


They're awards as part of the LTiP. They'll only pay out if targets are met.
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WTF on 11:16 - Mar 9 with 1012 viewsdailew

WTF on 11:06 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

They're awards as part of the LTiP. They'll only pay out if targets are met.


Targets so nebulous that they'll be easily met.

Otherwise the poor CEO will have to make do with his paltry £3m salary.

Surprised to see people defending these shameless troughers.

"Since RBS’s £45bn taxpayer bailout during the financial crisis, it has reported nine consecutive years of losses amounting to more than £58bn."

Didn't stop the last CEO leaving with a £1.6m golden handshake.

£58bn !! Thanks New Labor.
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WTF on 11:18 - Mar 9 with 1009 viewsdailew

WTF on 11:06 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

They're awards as part of the LTiP. They'll only pay out if targets are met.


From the FT.

"The bank’s senior managers were also paid £6m in shares from earlier deferred bonus awards, despite its continuing to rack up heavy losses while leaving the government with a vast hole in the public coffers.
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Really tough targets they're setting.

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WTF on 11:18 - Mar 9 with 1009 viewsrock1n

Slowly but surely that bank is being turned around, it's a seismic task - eventually it will be returned to profit.

I know it's a cliche but it's true that industry is very fluid, to get the best talent they have to reward. We can do the Jeremy Corbyn approach or we can look at this in rational way, if we want our money back we need the best talent to turn the ship around.

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WTF on 11:20 - Mar 9 with 1001 viewsJack_Meoff

WTF on 10:55 - Mar 9 by pikeypaul

Why would anyone be surprised?

On another note it's nice to see Osborne pick up his £650,000 for his one day
a week job.I wonder how much tax he will pay on that?

We're all in it together.


You do as you're told by the powers that be and you get rewarded. Simples. See Blair, T as a prime example.
F*ckers don't serve us.

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WTF on 11:22 - Mar 9 with 994 viewsrock1n

WTF on 11:20 - Mar 9 by Jack_Meoff

You do as you're told by the powers that be and you get rewarded. Simples. See Blair, T as a prime example.
F*ckers don't serve us.


What should he do then? No work? Only accept min wage jobs?

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WTF on 11:25 - Mar 9 with 993 viewsdailew


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WTF on 11:29 - Mar 9 with 986 viewsJack_Meoff

WTF on 11:22 - Mar 9 by rock1n

What should he do then? No work? Only accept min wage jobs?


My point was that people like him and Blair get spectacularly remunerated after they leave office because they've done as they're told. They've made certain people wealthy/ier.

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WTF on 11:40 - Mar 9 with 971 viewslondonlisa2001

WTF on 11:16 - Mar 9 by dailew

Targets so nebulous that they'll be easily met.

Otherwise the poor CEO will have to make do with his paltry £3m salary.

Surprised to see people defending these shameless troughers.

"Since RBS’s £45bn taxpayer bailout during the financial crisis, it has reported nine consecutive years of losses amounting to more than £58bn."

Didn't stop the last CEO leaving with a £1.6m golden handshake.

£58bn !! Thanks New Labor.
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Most of the awards have not yet paid out. Again, when they talk about the award of bonuses, they're talking shares into LTIP schemes which only ever pay (in cash terms) if targets are met re share price etc.

I know people there who have been awarded theoretically large bonuses, but they haven't received any cash as yet. Most awards from previous years end up disappearing as the LTIP doesn't pay out. The papers don't report that bit.
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WTF on 11:42 - Mar 9 with 965 viewslondonlisa2001

WTF on 11:18 - Mar 9 by dailew

From the FT.

"The bank’s senior managers were also paid £6m in shares from earlier deferred bonus awards, despite its continuing to rack up heavy losses while leaving the government with a vast hole in the public coffers.
"
Really tough targets they're setting.


And those shares again don't become theirs (to sell) unless targets are met.

They sit in the incentive plan.
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WTF on 11:51 - Mar 9 with 958 viewsdailew

WTF on 11:42 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

And those shares again don't become theirs (to sell) unless targets are met.

They sit in the incentive plan.


No. They've been paid out. The £6m come from a previous scheme.

£8bn loss yet they still met their "targets".

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WTF on 11:58 - Mar 9 with 946 viewslondonlisa2001

WTF on 11:51 - Mar 9 by dailew

No. They've been paid out. The £6m come from a previous scheme.

£8bn loss yet they still met their "targets".


Oh whatever. Believe what you want to believe.

I personalky that have on the face of it received hundreds of thousands of pounds of shares and have never actually seen a penny.

The exceptions are in parts of the Bank which make a profit.
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WTF on 12:21 - Mar 9 with 918 viewsdailew

WTF on 11:58 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

Oh whatever. Believe what you want to believe.

I personalky that have on the face of it received hundreds of thousands of pounds of shares and have never actually seen a penny.

The exceptions are in parts of the Bank which make a profit.


"The announcement by the Edinburgh-based bank also included details of £6m in bonuses that have been paid out after being awarded in previous years."

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/rbs-awards-nearly-16m-bonuses-185742880.html

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WTF on 12:25 - Mar 9 with 912 viewsrock1n

WTF on 11:29 - Mar 9 by Jack_Meoff

My point was that people like him and Blair get spectacularly remunerated after they leave office because they've done as they're told. They've made certain people wealthy/ier.


No it's because they have their fingers on the pulse and are extremely able men.

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WTF on 12:55 - Mar 9 with 885 viewslondonlisa2001

WTF on 12:21 - Mar 9 by dailew

"The announcement by the Edinburgh-based bank also included details of £6m in bonuses that have been paid out after being awarded in previous years."

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/rbs-awards-nearly-16m-bonuses-185742880.html


Yes, as I said, there are parts of the Bank that are profitable.
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WTF on 15:22 - Mar 9 with 852 viewsdailew

WTF on 12:55 - Mar 9 by londonlisa2001

Yes, as I said, there are parts of the Bank that are profitable.


I very much doubt whether only people in charge of profitable divisions had bonuses.

Besides, very easy to make a "profit" in one single year by shuffling stuffing around and ensuring those targets are reached.

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WTF on 15:36 - Mar 9 with 839 viewsblueytheblue

WTF on 15:22 - Mar 9 by dailew

I very much doubt whether only people in charge of profitable divisions had bonuses.

Besides, very easy to make a "profit" in one single year by shuffling stuffing around and ensuring those targets are reached.


Very much doubt but don't actually know

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WTF on 15:44 - Mar 9 with 836 viewsdailew

WTF on 15:36 - Mar 9 by blueytheblue

Very much doubt but don't actually know


Do you or Lisa actually know then they were all profitable?

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