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Guilty or Not Guilty? 18:04 - Oct 10 with 1587 viewsDarran

You decide.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/10/man-accused-of-murdering-daughte

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:03 - Oct 11 with 353 viewsexiledclaseboy

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:02 - Oct 11 by Darran

They wouldn't be married.


Or in any kind of relationship which would make them eligible to adopt. Daft parallel to draw.

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:07 - Oct 11 with 349 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:02 - Oct 11 by Darran

They wouldn't be married.


But unmarried couples male/female can adopt?
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:10 - Oct 11 with 338 viewsDarran

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:07 - Oct 11 by Garyjack

But unmarried couples male/female can adopt?


Can they?

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:12 - Oct 11 with 336 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:10 - Oct 11 by Darran

Can they?


Yes but only in the last 15 years mind!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4568234.stm
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:14 - Oct 11 with 324 viewsexiledclaseboy

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:12 - Oct 11 by Garyjack

Yes but only in the last 15 years mind!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4568234.stm
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The two straight men in your example clearly wouldn’t be a couple.

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:15 - Oct 11 with 312 viewsDarran

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:14 - Oct 11 by exiledclaseboy

The two straight men in your example clearly wouldn’t be a couple.


They might be a bit close though.

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:15 - Oct 11 with 313 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:14 - Oct 11 by exiledclaseboy

The two straight men in your example clearly wouldn’t be a couple.


Ye ok, i wanted you to go down the 'discriminating against gays' path but you didn't bite!
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:23 - Oct 11 with 294 viewslondonlisa2001

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 13:43 - Oct 11 by Darran

I don’t think it’s funny at all. Personally I think,if he’s guilty he should get the death penalty but I didn’t want to say that for fear of upsetting the little petals on here.

And if I’m brutally honest I feel slightly uneasy that men are adopting little girls like this.

Off you go.


So either you think men can't be trusted around children and it's only the presence of a woman that stops them abusing, or you think gay men are more likely to abuse than straight men, or you think all children have to be brought up by a woman and a man can't do a good job.

Which is it?
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:35 - Oct 11 with 279 viewsDarran

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:23 - Oct 11 by londonlisa2001

So either you think men can't be trusted around children and it's only the presence of a woman that stops them abusing, or you think gay men are more likely to abuse than straight men, or you think all children have to be brought up by a woman and a man can't do a good job.

Which is it?


Or perhaps I think little girls can benefit from having a woman around.

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:38 - Oct 11 with 274 viewsexiledclaseboy

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:35 - Oct 11 by Darran

Or perhaps I think little girls can benefit from having a woman around.


So you’re fine with gay men adopting boys then?

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:39 - Oct 11 with 274 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:35 - Oct 11 by Darran

Or perhaps I think little girls can benefit from having a woman around.


Most definitely.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:45 - Oct 11 with 266 viewslondonlisa2001

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:35 - Oct 11 by Darran

Or perhaps I think little girls can benefit from having a woman around.


That's what one of my options was.

What about little boys being brought up by a single mum? What if a mother dies and a man brings up his kids? Can't a man be a good single parent if parents split up? The grandmother helped with the care of the children in this case - there are plenty of female role models for children - it doesn't have to be a mother.

Your explanation rings hollow - it's because they're gay.

Same as for Gary jack, who seemingly can't even grasp that one of the men wanted a daughter and the other didn't mind what gender the kid was and thinks it's somehow the case that one of the men was going to bring up a boy as a princess if necessary.

This case is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. That poor little girl and what she suffered makes me feel literally sick. But if it turns out that one of the men is a monster, he's a monster. Not because he's gay, but because he's a monster.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:46 - Oct 11 with 263 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:38 - Oct 11 by exiledclaseboy

So you’re fine with gay men adopting boys then?


Not when one of them states in court that he didn't mind whether they had a boy or a girl, just a daddy's little Princess!
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:51 - Oct 11 with 248 viewsDarran

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:45 - Oct 11 by londonlisa2001

That's what one of my options was.

What about little boys being brought up by a single mum? What if a mother dies and a man brings up his kids? Can't a man be a good single parent if parents split up? The grandmother helped with the care of the children in this case - there are plenty of female role models for children - it doesn't have to be a mother.

Your explanation rings hollow - it's because they're gay.

Same as for Gary jack, who seemingly can't even grasp that one of the men wanted a daughter and the other didn't mind what gender the kid was and thinks it's somehow the case that one of the men was going to bring up a boy as a princess if necessary.

This case is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. That poor little girl and what she suffered makes me feel literally sick. But if it turns out that one of the men is a monster, he's a monster. Not because he's gay, but because he's a monster.


“The grandmother helped with the care of the children in this case”


She did a great job.

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:58 - Oct 11 with 233 viewslondonlisa2001

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:46 - Oct 11 by Garyjack

Not when one of them states in court that he didn't mind whether they had a boy or a girl, just a daddy's little Princess!


He said his husband didn't mind but he wanted a little princess. You even quoted it yourself mun.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:10 - Oct 11 with 220 viewslondonlisa2001

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:51 - Oct 11 by Darran

“The grandmother helped with the care of the children in this case”


She did a great job.


As in every one of these cases, I imagine she'll never forgive herself if he turns out to have done this.

Nothing to do with anyone's gender or sexuality though.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:30 - Oct 11 with 194 viewswhoflungdung

Kids brought up by two gays who love the child,are solvent and can give child a better start than one brought up by a pair of straight scrotes ....every time

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:34 - Oct 11 with 188 viewsDarran

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:30 - Oct 11 by whoflungdung

Kids brought up by two gays who love the child,are solvent and can give child a better start than one brought up by a pair of straight scrotes ....every time


Except this time perhaps?

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:42 - Oct 11 with 183 viewsFlashberryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:30 - Oct 11 by whoflungdung

Kids brought up by two gays who love the child,are solvent and can give child a better start than one brought up by a pair of straight scrotes ....every time


Fair comment.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:43 - Oct 11 with 176 viewsMrSwerve

Some straight people are c*nts.

Some gay people are c*nts.

End of thread.

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:58 - Oct 11 with 155 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:30 - Oct 11 by whoflungdung

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I'm sorry, but for me in the main, the gay bit is not the important point especially when it comes to adoption. To give an adopted child the best chance of a better life i think it's vitally important it has a woman as a role model, whether it be a girl or a boy. We are biologically different, whatever your personal views on adoption are, that is a fundamental and undeniable fact i'm afraid.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 19:20 - Oct 11 with 138 viewsNeath_Jack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 17:35 - Oct 11 by Darran

Or perhaps I think little girls can benefit from having a woman around.


Nice.

I've brought my two daughters up on my own without their mother being about.

What does that make me or my kids?

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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 19:25 - Oct 11 with 128 viewslondonlisa2001

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 18:58 - Oct 11 by Garyjack

I'm sorry, but for me in the main, the gay bit is not the important point especially when it comes to adoption. To give an adopted child the best chance of a better life i think it's vitally important it has a woman as a role model, whether it be a girl or a boy. We are biologically different, whatever your personal views on adoption are, that is a fundamental and undeniable fact i'm afraid.


I agree. I just believe that both male and female role models (which are equally important) can be found within the extended family or close friends and godparents. It doesn't need to be a 'Mother and Father' and to suggest otherwise does a great disservice to legions of wonderful single parent families and gay parent families.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 19:27 - Oct 11 with 123 viewsGaryjack

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 19:20 - Oct 11 by Neath_Jack

Nice.

I've brought my two daughters up on my own without their mother being about.

What does that make me or my kids?


Hat's off to you Neathie, you should be very proud of you and your kids. However, i'm talking more about the adoption process and giving an adopted child the best chance. And my view is that any child that is given up for adoption should have a 'mother' as a role model. I'm pretty sure that's what Darran means as well.
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Guilty or Not Guilty? on 19:29 - Oct 11 with 116 viewsDarran

Guilty or Not Guilty? on 19:20 - Oct 11 by Neath_Jack

Nice.

I've brought my two daughters up on my own without their mother being about.

What does that make me or my kids?


Don't be dull FFS one man in that situation is different to two men. We are talking about two gay men here stop twisting things.

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