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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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Brexit is teaching Britain its true place in the world
By Robert Shrimsley

FT, 5 November 2018

In one sense, Boris Johnson is right. The Brexit process has indeed felt like a national humiliation. How many Brits have felt our innards shrivel at key moments of the negotiations? And I am not talking about the incidents of diplomatic bumbling, of unwarranted second world war references and Dad’s Army condescension. I am talking about the parts of this process that have gone as predicted.

Perhaps we should step back from the bloviated rhetoric. Humiliation is too strong; a national humbling is more accurate. The philosophy of Brexit was that, freed of EU constraints, the UK would take its rightful place in the world. This is indeed what is happening, but alas that place is not as the great power of their imagination. The UK’s place in the world is hardly terrible but, as Mr Johnson learnt during his brief but undistinguished term as foreign secretary, our emissaries no longer bestride summits like Castlereagh.

For far too long British politicians, journalists and voters have enjoyed a patently distorted vision of the nation as indispensable world player. Now the nation is facing the painful truth that the UK is not as pre-eminent as it has liked to believe.

For proof, look at the negotiations over the Irish border. One need not get into the rights and wrongs to see that the UK has essentially been pushed around by Ireland, because the EU has thrown its weight behind the demands of its continuing member. The hard fact is that the power imbalance has meant the UK is being forced to choose between the chaos of a no-deal Brexit or undermining the constitutional integrity of one of its four sovereign parts and signing up to a significant amount of rule-taking. This is what happens when a single country that is not America or China negotiates with a global trading bloc.

From the sequencing of the negotiations to the empty scorecard of British wins, the entire process has been a lesson in power politics. Few who saw the TV programme on America’s London embassy will forget the smirks as an US official described the British Brexit delusions: “They sort of see it as a negotiation between two equal parties.”

One should not overstate this. Britain is not Latvia. It still carries heft. It is a top 10 global economy (fifth, sixth or ninth depending on the market and your choice of methodology). It remains a military power, with a nuclear deterrent and a seat on the UN Security Council. It is the only European nation with access to US intelligence through the “five eyes” programme. Its pre-eminence as a financial centre will not immediately be dissipated by Brexit. The UK will still get its call, but after France and Germany and just before Canada. Life in the top 10 is different to life in the top three.

Much of the UK’s global clout derived from its being one of the big nations of the EU. Margaret Thatcher used that very platform to help create the single market, drive forward global trade and entrench democracy in eastern Europe. The 1970s champions of Britain’s membership were right in arguing that the alternative to pooled sovereignty was not more influence but less.

Now Britain is about to taste life as one of the loudest of the next level of voices. In this tier, maintaining influence beyond military matters, requires the painstaking unbombastic alliance-building that saw its existing political and diplomatic practitioners so derided as sell-outs by our chauvinistic MPs and media. It might, for example, mean expediting entry permits for Moldovan trade representatives so they do not delay the UK’s ambitions at the World Trade Organization.

And how will the UK’s status be reflected in its new trade deals? One has only to look at Donald Trump’s treatment of Canada to see that his negotiators will offer no special favours to the UK. Mr Trump is pro-Brexit because he wants to see a weakened EU, not to play benefactor to the UK. EU nations will be similarly cut-throat. Nor will sentimental attachments affect Commonwealth nations. Too many Brits fail to grasp that former colonies do not look back to the empire with unalloyed affection.

While this has all been understood by serious figures in government, too much of Britain’s politics, culture and its self-image have been driven by its colonial past and the national myths built up around the last war. It is why the Brexiters cling so desperately to the theory that Theresa May has betrayed Brexit. The alternative is to accept that it is their own reckless chauvinism that has reduced the UK to the role of supplicant with its former partners.
Adjusting to a reduced status will require a reality check in our media and our politics and a touch of humility. If Brexit helps the UK come to a more accurate realisation of its global significance, some good may yet come out of this wretched business. Still, it seems an expensive way to learn a lesson.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:41 - Nov 6 with 397 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 16:54 - Nov 6 with 387 viewsShaky

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Go away you boring loser tw@t.

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Yes if if only I could be a winner like you, posting the same braindead drivel every single fcuking day.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:30 - Nov 6 with 369 viewsKilkennyjack



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Well done feckwits ....


If Brexit is stopped do you think this company will stay open in Llanelli?

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The Countdown begins. on 18:39 - Nov 6 with 362 viewsShaky

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If Brexit is stopped do you think this company will stay open in Llanelli?


No but it would stop many, many other companies from pressing the self-eject button.

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If Brexit is stopped do you think this company will stay open in Llanelli?


Yes

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It’s another company in the Schaeffler Group Kilkenny. A major reason for the restructuring is the challenge that will result from the shift to electric vehicles in the future. Schaeffler is specialized in mechanical components and electric vehicles will need far fewer components and a different skill set amongst employees. German employees benefit from the fact that many large industrial companies in Germany are family owned. Strategic decisions are made in Germany. Labour laws also make it much easier and cheaper to close a plant in the U.K. I do agree though, the threat of Brexit hardly helps.

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The Countdown begins. on 05:09 - Nov 7 with 245 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 14:18 - Nov 7 with 211 viewsLeonWasGod

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It’s another company in the Schaeffler Group Kilkenny. A major reason for the restructuring is the challenge that will result from the shift to electric vehicles in the future. Schaeffler is specialized in mechanical components and electric vehicles will need far fewer components and a different skill set amongst employees. German employees benefit from the fact that many large industrial companies in Germany are family owned. Strategic decisions are made in Germany. Labour laws also make it much easier and cheaper to close a plant in the U.K. I do agree though, the threat of Brexit hardly helps.


Whilst many factors will have been taken into account, it’s a lot more than Brexit hardly helping. I’m not sure why people are so keen to dismiss the company’s own statement that Brexit is the trigger. Unless they’re looking for incentives to stay, I don’t see why they would be saying Brexit is the decisive factor on pulling out now if it wasn’t. They’ve no reason to falsely blame uncertainty around Brexit. Besides, their claim is easily verified; nobody does know what’s going on. There’s obviously uncertainty due to Brexit that makes planning difficult.
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Whilst many factors will have been taken into account, it’s a lot more than Brexit hardly helping. I’m not sure why people are so keen to dismiss the company’s own statement that Brexit is the trigger. Unless they’re looking for incentives to stay, I don’t see why they would be saying Brexit is the decisive factor on pulling out now if it wasn’t. They’ve no reason to falsely blame uncertainty around Brexit. Besides, their claim is easily verified; nobody does know what’s going on. There’s obviously uncertainty due to Brexit that makes planning difficult.


If the reason they are leaving is brexit it’s a bit strange their response is to set up in those famous EU countries, China and India instead.

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If the reason they are leaving is brexit it’s a bit strange their response is to set up in those famous EU countries, China and India instead.


That's the power of the single market and customs union.As a member of the EU, the UK was competitive against India and China. Being outside the single market and customs union could make the UK manufactured parts more expensive and also unreliable as a supplier if parts are held up in lorry jams on the way to Dover.
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Yes if if only I could be a winner like you, posting the same braindead drivel every single fcuking day.


Shaky, I gave up reading the enormously long C&P posts ages ago but I can tell you one thing, I'ne never understood why anyone wants to cling to a notion about Britain being a super power, a country with massive influence.
We'd be far better off just looking after ourselves and keeping our noses out of foreign wars, unless we had no choice. Keep our noses out of the middle East, out of Africa. We're not even very influential in the EU, it's all so very pretentious. We are not big players and should stop acting like we are.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:01 - Nov 7 with 185 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 15:34 - Nov 7 by Batterseajack

That's the power of the single market and customs union.As a member of the EU, the UK was competitive against India and China. Being outside the single market and customs union could make the UK manufactured parts more expensive and also unreliable as a supplier if parts are held up in lorry jams on the way to Dover.


Why not just move to Germany then?
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If the reason they are leaving is brexit it’s a bit strange their response is to set up in those famous EU countries, China and India instead.


Just wait, they'll be in the EU before long
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The Countdown begins. on 16:23 - Nov 7 with 177 viewsBatterseajack

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Why not just move to Germany then?


"So it is proposed to shift production from Plymouth to existing plants outside the UK, in the USA, China, South Korea and Germany."

Some activities moved to Germany. But who knows why all of their activities didn't move solely to Germany. Maybe if they now have to move away anyway, then doors opened to move some Llanelli based activities to further afield to china. Maybe their existing German plant could only take on some activities. There'll be a whole load of decisions going on in the background. But all this was put into play by the decision to place a UK based factory, supplying the majority of its output to the EU market, outside of the single market and customs union.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:42 - Nov 7 with 174 viewsHighjack

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That's the power of the single market and customs union.As a member of the EU, the UK was competitive against India and China. Being outside the single market and customs union could make the UK manufactured parts more expensive and also unreliable as a supplier if parts are held up in lorry jams on the way to Dover.


It’ll take a lot longer for the lorries to drive from China.

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It’ll take a lot longer for the lorries to drive from China.


It may take longer, but shipping arrival can be timed more reliably than sitting on the back of a lorry on the M20 hard shoulder.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Nov 7 with 152 viewsJango

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It may take longer, but shipping arrival can be timed more reliably than sitting on the back of a lorry on the M20 hard shoulder.


Have you ever dealt with big shipments from China in your workplace?
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It may take longer, but shipping arrival can be timed more reliably than sitting on the back of a lorry on the M20 hard shoulder.


It would be very economically inefficient to stick a lorry load of goods onto a massive cargo ship.

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Have you ever dealt with big shipments from China in your workplace?


No but my wife does regularly.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:59 - Nov 7 with 132 viewsLeonWasGod

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It would be very economically inefficient to stick a lorry load of goods onto a massive cargo ship.


Container ships are the most cost-effective way of moving goods apparently.

Why are people arguing over hypotheticals? The company said Brexit was one of the factors to relicate, and the main reason why that decision was brought fowards. That should be the end of it. But not on PS eh? 😂
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The Countdown begins. on 18:03 - Nov 7 with 129 viewsHighjack

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Container ships are the most cost-effective way of moving goods apparently.

Why are people arguing over hypotheticals? The company said Brexit was one of the factors to relicate, and the main reason why that decision was brought fowards. That should be the end of it. But not on PS eh? 😂


So let’s stick everything on boats in Southampton hey presto no lorry queue at Dover. Where’s Barniers phone number?

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The Countdown begins. on 18:27 - Nov 7 with 113 viewsLeonWasGod

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So let’s stick everything on boats in Southampton hey presto no lorry queue at Dover. Where’s Barniers phone number?


He probably knows, as 55% of the trade through our ports is already from the EU.

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