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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 836203 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:57 - Apr 11 with 549 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

If the trading rules are different on each side of imaginary line, there must be customs checks. This is the reality of the situation at every border on the planet. What part of this aren’t you getting?


All of it.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:04 - Apr 11 with 546 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:57 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Continue to hand over massive amounts of cash whilst having to follow all their rules in the vague hope that we might get a future trade deal at some point and if that doesn’t happen we are locked in to the backstop forever with no legal mechanism to exit.

It’s basically remain. Which is why Theresa May thinks it’s such a fantastic deal. She is a hardcore remainer surrounded by other fanatical remainers. What incentive do the EU have to give us any sort of deal? The backstop is the best possible outcome for them as they still get our cash and complete control.

This is the outcome I’ve been predicting from the start.

This deal will never pass. No deal will never pass. The only option left is remain, which will pass. Whether that’s through a rigged second referendum with a loaded question or the revoke of A50. Mission accomplished for May, Robbins, Hammond and all their Bilderberg mates.


You don’t seem to understand the withdrawal agreement even slightly.

This is the problem, people are taking entrenched positions about things they don’t understand.

Every brexiteer should want to sign the withdrawal agreement.

The ‘massive amount of cash’ is a given under any circumstance, it’s the amount due for services already rendered. If we renege on that, no country in the world will trade with us, as it means we cannot be trusted to pay what we owe.

The ‘backstop’ is a function of the conundrum I have been asking you about for months and months. If Ireland and Northern Ireland can have no border, and NI and GB can have no border, then Ireland and the UK can have no border. That means we HAVE to have a customs agreement.

You’re completely mistaken if you think that’s the fault of the EU. If we leave with no deal, we are in breach of the Good Friday agreement, but WE also have you have a hard border as WTO rules demand it. Plus even in a no deal scenario, the withdrawal agreement will be neecssary if we want to trade with the EU.

This has nothing to do with May being a ‘remainer’. Not a single member of Parliament has been able to come up with a solution - even the most ardent brexiteers. Because there isn’t one.

The public at large was sold a pup. By charlatans. It beggars belief that there are still some that can’t see that. As an aside - your continued belief that the EU is all about the ‘elites’ and the bilderbergs’ is ridiculous. It’s the really rich that want Brexit. As unregulated chaos is how they get richer.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:05 - Apr 11 with 545 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:11 - Apr 11 by bluey_the_blue

Surely no deal doesn't have to pass?

EU, for example, unilaterally say "sod it". Is Yvette Cooper going to go running after Juncker yelling "but we agreed no 'no deal'"?

I can't understand why Hammond avoids criticism. His comments have been far worse and destabilising than Mays.


FFS. We are not still harking after the no deal option surely.

Yvette Cooper wouldn’t run after anyone. Parliament will revoke.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:06 - Apr 11 with 544 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:13 - Apr 11 by Highjack

It's not the Irish border anymore, it's the EU border.

The UK doesn't want a 'hard' border.

Ireland doesn't want a 'hard' border.

This is as you correctly point out for deep seated historical and human reasons and nobody wants to see a return to the violence.

Yet a drunken Luxembourgian and an ex football hooligan from Poland and their chums insist on it to protect their 'market' because money and the markets (Praise be unto them) is always priority number one. As it unfortunately does for most remainers. Including good socialists like you and that nice Mr Blair.

The solution would be to put human needs above financial needs but we'll never get that from this lot.


This is such nonsensical bollox, it really is.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:11 - Apr 11 with 540 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:47 - Apr 11 by Highjack

"Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen."

If nobody wants it, it absolutely shouldn't happen in a so called democracy.

The Irish have signed away control of their own and only border. They have no say over this. If individual nations really had a say in the running of the EU then the Irish would be listened to.

But then they rejected it via referendum and were told to vote again until they got the right result.

Sound familiar?


The Irish had a vote and rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

The Treaty was renegotiated and Ireland were given specific exclusions. It was only then that they voted again, this time happy to support. 67% yes vote btw.

Again, this is complete misinformation from you.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:41 - Apr 11 with 503 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:04 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001

You don’t seem to understand the withdrawal agreement even slightly.

This is the problem, people are taking entrenched positions about things they don’t understand.

Every brexiteer should want to sign the withdrawal agreement.

The ‘massive amount of cash’ is a given under any circumstance, it’s the amount due for services already rendered. If we renege on that, no country in the world will trade with us, as it means we cannot be trusted to pay what we owe.

The ‘backstop’ is a function of the conundrum I have been asking you about for months and months. If Ireland and Northern Ireland can have no border, and NI and GB can have no border, then Ireland and the UK can have no border. That means we HAVE to have a customs agreement.

You’re completely mistaken if you think that’s the fault of the EU. If we leave with no deal, we are in breach of the Good Friday agreement, but WE also have you have a hard border as WTO rules demand it. Plus even in a no deal scenario, the withdrawal agreement will be neecssary if we want to trade with the EU.

This has nothing to do with May being a ‘remainer’. Not a single member of Parliament has been able to come up with a solution - even the most ardent brexiteers. Because there isn’t one.

The public at large was sold a pup. By charlatans. It beggars belief that there are still some that can’t see that. As an aside - your continued belief that the EU is all about the ‘elites’ and the bilderbergs’ is ridiculous. It’s the really rich that want Brexit. As unregulated chaos is how they get richer.


Calm down you gammon it's only a difference of opinion.

But you're wrong of course.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:45 - Apr 11 with 499 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:57 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Continue to hand over massive amounts of cash whilst having to follow all their rules in the vague hope that we might get a future trade deal at some point and if that doesn’t happen we are locked in to the backstop forever with no legal mechanism to exit.

It’s basically remain. Which is why Theresa May thinks it’s such a fantastic deal. She is a hardcore remainer surrounded by other fanatical remainers. What incentive do the EU have to give us any sort of deal? The backstop is the best possible outcome for them as they still get our cash and complete control.

This is the outcome I’ve been predicting from the start.

This deal will never pass. No deal will never pass. The only option left is remain, which will pass. Whether that’s through a rigged second referendum with a loaded question or the revoke of A50. Mission accomplished for May, Robbins, Hammond and all their Bilderberg mates.


Fair play, Highj. You’ve disappeared right down the conspiracy rabbit hole now. Once you invoke the Bilderbergers there’s no going back. Keep watching the skies. The truth is out there.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:46 - Apr 11 with 495 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

If the trading rules are different on each side of imaginary line, there must be customs checks. This is the reality of the situation at every border on the planet. What part of this aren’t you getting?


The Isle of Man is not a member of the EU. Not been for years, does it have a hard boarder

Constructive answers only please :)
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:46 - Apr 11 with 495 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:41 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Calm down you gammon it's only a difference of opinion.

But you're wrong of course.


Nope. I’m not wrong. You don’t understand the withdrawal agreement.

It’s as simple as that.

The fact that there are MPs who don’t is far more worrying. Although it’s the reason we are where we are.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:47 - Apr 11 with 489 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:57 - Apr 11 by bluey_the_blue

I'm sure they don't want no deal.

It's still a possibility; should divides amongst EU nations rise as time goes on etc.


It’s still a possibility but not till Halloween. Frankly if we haven’t managed to sort ourselves out by then we’ll deserve everything we get.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:50 - Apr 11 with 484 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:46 - Apr 11 by chad

The Isle of Man is not a member of the EU. Not been for years, does it have a hard boarder

Constructive answers only please :)


It’s because it is in the customs union.

Which is the whole point,

Edited to add: incidentally, your question seems to indicate that you find it easy to describe a member of the customs union as not being in the EU. Which means that if the UK has a customs union, you’ll presumably agree it has met the terms of the referendum and exited the EU?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:54 - Apr 11 with 475 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:47 - Apr 11 by Highjack

"Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen."

If nobody wants it, it absolutely shouldn't happen in a so called democracy.

The Irish have signed away control of their own and only border. They have no say over this. If individual nations really had a say in the running of the EU then the Irish would be listened to.

But then they rejected it via referendum and were told to vote again until they got the right result.

Sound familiar?


The second Irish referendum was passed after the original ammendements were changed.

They didn't vote on the same premise twice.

Isn't that how democracy is meant to work?

Plastic since 1974
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:56 - Apr 11 with 466 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:47 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy

It’s still a possibility but not till Halloween. Frankly if we haven’t managed to sort ourselves out by then we’ll deserve everything we get.


The civil service have today been instructed to stop all no deal preparations according to several leaks.

Which will doubtless cheer Bluey up no end.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:57 - Apr 11 with 463 viewsexiledclaseboy

Bill Cash is a national treasure isn’t he? We should have him stuffed, the crazy old loon.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:57 - Apr 11 with 462 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:45 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy

Fair play, Highj. You’ve disappeared right down the conspiracy rabbit hole now. Once you invoke the Bilderbergers there’s no going back. Keep watching the skies. The truth is out there.


Are you suggesting that the attendees at the Bilderberg group meetings are not pro remain?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:58 - Apr 11 with 460 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:56 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001

The civil service have today been instructed to stop all no deal preparations according to several leaks.

Which will doubtless cheer Bluey up no end.


Couldn’t possibly comment.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:01 - Apr 11 with 452 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:58 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy

Couldn’t possibly comment.


You don’t need to. Sky have a copy of the email

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:04 - Apr 11 with 445 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:57 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Are you suggesting that the attendees at the Bilderberg group meetings are not pro remain?


Are you suggesting that Rupert Murdoch IS pro remain?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:07 - Apr 11 with 440 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:56 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001

The civil service have today been instructed to stop all no deal preparations according to several leaks.

Which will doubtless cheer Bluey up no end.


If true that's absolutely stupid.

You prepare for all eventualities.

Not that civil servants work anyway...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:12 - Apr 11 with 420 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:07 - Apr 11 by bluey_the_blue

If true that's absolutely stupid.

You prepare for all eventualities.

Not that civil servants work anyway...


Bluey - no deal is not going to happen. Keep on repeating it until it sinks in...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:14 - Apr 11 with 415 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:12 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001

Bluey - no deal is not going to happen. Keep on repeating it until it sinks in...


Lisa - I'm close to past caring about it tbh. Regardless, at the moment nothing is ruled out until it's over...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:17 - Apr 11 with 412 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:07 - Apr 11 by bluey_the_blue

If true that's absolutely stupid.

You prepare for all eventualities.

Not that civil servants work anyway...


Including eventualities that have been ruled out by an act of parliament.

When you read Blueys ramblings it suddenly makes sense how Grayling and Francois have managed to reach the higher levels of the Tory party.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:18 - Apr 11 with 408 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:07 - Apr 11 by bluey_the_blue

If true that's absolutely stupid.

You prepare for all eventualities.

Not that civil servants work anyway...


You don’t think that the plans already in place might just be mothballed to be revived as and when they might be needed? Just a thought. Oh and government does do other stuff as well mind. Or at least it’s supposed to.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:20 - Apr 11 with 401 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:46 - Apr 11 by chad

The Isle of Man is not a member of the EU. Not been for years, does it have a hard boarder

Constructive answers only please :)


The Isle of Man is not part of the European Union (EU) in its own right, and is not included within the scope of the UK's membership of the EU. The Isle of Man makes no financial contribution to the European Union nor does it receive any funding from the EU. It is not represented in the European Parliament but the Island does have a limited relationship with the EU under what is known as 'Protocol 3.'

What is Protocol 3?

The relationship between the Isle of Man and the EU is set out in Protocol 3 to the UK's Act of Accession by which the UK became a member of the EU. The Protocol allows the Island to be part of the EU customs area which permits the free movement of manufactured goods and agricultural products in trade between the Island and the Union, as well as free movement of people between the Isle of Man and the European Union.

Apart from the requirements of the Protocol - in particular that the Isle of Man must apply the same treatment to all natural and legal persons of the EU - other Union rules do not apply. The Island's relationship with the EU allows it to trade with countries in the European Economic Area (EEA) similarly to its trade with the Union itself.

https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/cabinet-office/brexit-what-n
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:22 - Apr 11 with 390 viewsexiledclaseboy

No deal is actually theoretically possible on 1 June but it’s so theoretical you could say that Cardiff winning the premier league this season because all the other teams have points deducted is equally as possible.

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