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It was a handy place to get something that gave similar symptoms to Novichok, but much less virulent. The cleanup of the area was a complete charade, if it had been Novichok anyone coming in to contact with it or the victims would have been dead in minutes at the most.
Yep, that's why some woman died later from it. You are another fool who knows nothing of the subject. You dopey cant.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
It was a handy place to get something that gave similar symptoms to Novichok, but much less virulent. The cleanup of the area was a complete charade, if it had been Novichok anyone coming in to contact with it or the victims would have been dead in minutes at the most.
So they just popped in for some chemical weapons seeing as it was only down the road.
It was a handy place to get something that gave similar symptoms to Novichok, but much less virulent. The cleanup of the area was a complete charade, if it had been Novichok anyone coming in to contact with it or the victims would have been dead in minutes at the most.
I read your post so I looked and apparently a pinprick Novichok kills in between 30 seconds and 2 minutes. Still, it doesn't prove that the Russians didn't do it.
So they just popped in for some chemical weapons seeing as it was only down the road.
Ta.
I often call in the DSTL gift shop for all my nerve agent and weaponisable microbe needs.
The most plausible explanation is a rather botched GRU assassination. The next is another agency seeking to discredit Russia. Since novichok was independently verified this tends to suggests Russian involvement since few countries have synthesised it. Iran would be the most likely alternative, but since the targets were Russian....
My Russian friend, Ed, disputes this of course. He suggests a Middle Eastern power.
I often call in the DSTL gift shop for all my nerve agent and weaponisable microbe needs.
The most plausible explanation is a rather botched GRU assassination. The next is another agency seeking to discredit Russia. Since novichok was independently verified this tends to suggests Russian involvement since few countries have synthesised it. Iran would be the most likely alternative, but since the targets were Russian....
My Russian friend, Ed, disputes this of course. He suggests a Middle Eastern power.
Don't take it too far Prof, it goes off after 5 miles. Maybe that's why they survived.
I'd ask Ed why a Middle Eastern country would want to kill an ex Soviet spy who defected. We know why Putin wanted him dead and we know two Russian intelligence agents were close to the victims house just before they became ill.
Don't take it too far Prof, it goes off after 5 miles. Maybe that's why they survived.
I'd ask Ed why a Middle Eastern country would want to kill an ex Soviet spy who defected. We know why Putin wanted him dead and we know two Russian intelligence agents were close to the victims house just before they became ill.
Ed is a good bloke, but a big fan of the Putin ‘hard man’ approach. He is a very brought guy (academic in Leicester) and although a British citizen for nearly 2O years still thinks like a Russian.
Always find that stuff never works up here, like holiday booze that is nectar in the sun, But turns to vinegar at home.
I read your post so I looked and apparently a pinprick Novichok kills in between 30 seconds and 2 minutes. Still, it doesn't prove that the Russians didn't do it.
Oh, another one...
LD50
Dose level
Attack vector
Climatic conditions
Do us all a favour and buy yourself a clue.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
So they just popped in for some chemical weapons seeing as it was only down the road.
Ta.
The government needed a public distraction. MI5 or 6 would have no trouble just popping in to Porton Down to pick up the nerve agent. They would also have no trouble fitting up a couple of Russians as fall guys either. See how easy it is to create a conspiracy theory, why don't you believe it, you believed the crap about Russian collusion in the 2016 US election.
Ed is a good bloke, but a big fan of the Putin ‘hard man’ approach. He is a very brought guy (academic in Leicester) and although a British citizen for nearly 2O years still thinks like a Russian.
Always find that stuff never works up here, like holiday booze that is nectar in the sun, But turns to vinegar at home.
So is he Red Ed or Ed the Red?
Something to consider, if you ever go to Russia on holiday, don't drink the imported stuff because it's very expensive but the local stuff is much cheaper, stronger and tastes fine after the first three. Well it did 20 years ago anyway! I can't remember what it's called though.
Why do some people seem almost desperate to deny Russia did this? It's not like the Russians don't have history of it, and with Navalny a present too.
Something to consider, if you ever go to Russia on holiday, don't drink the imported stuff because it's very expensive but the local stuff is much cheaper, stronger and tastes fine after the first three. Well it did 20 years ago anyway! I can't remember what it's called though.
Why do some people seem almost desperate to deny Russia did this? It's not like the Russians don't have history of it, and with Navalny a present too.
It's like the polonium... We didn't do it!
Yet the Polonium was identified as coming from a Russian reactor...
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
The government needed a public distraction. MI5 or 6 would have no trouble just popping in to Porton Down to pick up the nerve agent. They would also have no trouble fitting up a couple of Russians as fall guys either. See how easy it is to create a conspiracy theory, why don't you believe it, you believed the crap about Russian collusion in the 2016 US election.
So does the US intelligence committee that looked at it.
Don't take it too far Prof, it goes off after 5 miles. Maybe that's why they survived.
I'd ask Ed why a Middle Eastern country would want to kill an ex Soviet spy who defected. We know why Putin wanted him dead and we know two Russian intelligence agents were close to the victims house just before they became ill.
If Putin wanted him dead a simple bullet to the head would have done it. The use of a nerve agent that won’t kill but will cause pain and problems for years is to send a message to others.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
If Putin wanted him dead a simple bullet to the head would have done it. The use of a nerve agent that won’t kill but will cause pain and problems for years is to send a message to others.
There is that, but it wouldn't be Novichek that was used, which does kill, kills quickly and in great numbers
So does the US intelligence committee that looked at it.
Yep, that committee stated there was campaign collusion (manafort and GRU). Also that committee has more Republicans than Democrats so bias cant be blamed.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
The government needed a public distraction. MI5 or 6 would have no trouble just popping in to Porton Down to pick up the nerve agent. They would also have no trouble fitting up a couple of Russians as fall guys either. See how easy it is to create a conspiracy theory, why don't you believe it, you believed the crap about Russian collusion in the 2016 US election.
The Mueller report identifies deep and systemic evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Whilst it clears Trump of specific collusion, it does indicate his campaign welcomed the intervention. There are, despite Trump stated he would not, a significant number of redactions. The Senate committee ( As posted by D Jack) agreed with the findings.
The Mueller report identifies deep and systemic evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Whilst it clears Trump of specific collusion, it does indicate his campaign welcomed the intervention. There are, despite Trump stated he would not, a significant number of redactions. The Senate committee ( As posted by D Jack) agreed with the findings.
You believed Mueller who is totally crooked, there was no collusion or "interference" in the 2016 election, unless you call internet postings in Russian interference. Mueller's team could not even provide an English translation of the posts to the court. You should actually go and read the Court reports as I have done and you would understand just how badly you have been had.
You believed Mueller who is totally crooked, there was no collusion or "interference" in the 2016 election, unless you call internet postings in Russian interference. Mueller's team could not even provide an English translation of the posts to the court. You should actually go and read the Court reports as I have done and you would understand just how badly you have been had.
Another right wing ‘news’ site. The Republican controlled senate approved the findings. Like Trump you cannot accept anything that is not ‘your version’.
Another right wing ‘news’ site. The Republican controlled senate approved the findings. Like Trump you cannot accept anything that is not ‘your version’.
Thanks for posting, it saves me the job. The Daily Caller FFS !!! It is frightening that there are people out there who take on board some of the guff spouted by those sites.
It the same with Brexit, people are slagging off the government for some of the calamities, incompetence and lies on their watch, but at the same time are happy to suck up all the anti EU rhetoric regarding the impasse in the ongoing negotiations without question. I am not saying the EU are blameless for 1 minute because I suspect there is intransigence and game playing on on both sides, but we need to keep an open mind on things. A government underperforming in nearly every other area of business is perfectly capable of underperforming in the Brexit negotiations.
Another right wing ‘news’ site. The Republican controlled senate approved the findings. Like Trump you cannot accept anything that is not ‘your version’.
""the Russian government inappropriately meddled in our 2016 general election in many ways but then-Candidate Trump was not complicit." They also harshly criticized the FBI for "sloppy work and poor judgment," principally for its handling of information contained in the dossier compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele."
"Though there was no evidence of any agreement between the Russians and the Trump campaign to work together, there was clear coordination, said Senator Angus King, a Maine independent who caucuses with the Democrats and is a member of the Intelligence Committee."
A certain Konstantin Kilimnik was apparently the main source of contact between Manafort and the Russians. What the main MSM will not tell you is that he was already an FBI source within the Ukraine and Russia, ie a double agent. But of course you won't believe it because it doesn't come from a left wing source. https://thehill.com/opinion/wh
Just like Carter Page who was working for the FBI prior to the 2016 election.
""the Russian government inappropriately meddled in our 2016 general election in many ways but then-Candidate Trump was not complicit." They also harshly criticized the FBI for "sloppy work and poor judgment," principally for its handling of information contained in the dossier compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele."
"Though there was no evidence of any agreement between the Russians and the Trump campaign to work together, there was clear coordination, said Senator Angus King, a Maine independent who caucuses with the Democrats and is a member of the Intelligence Committee."
A certain Konstantin Kilimnik was apparently the main source of contact between Manafort and the Russians. What the main MSM will not tell you is that he was already an FBI source within the Ukraine and Russia, ie a double agent. But of course you won't believe it because it doesn't come from a left wing source. https://thehill.com/opinion/wh
Just like Carter Page who was working for the FBI prior to the 2016 election.
""the Russian government inappropriately meddled in our 2016 general election in many ways but then-Candidate Trump was not complicit." They also harshly criticized the FBI for "sloppy work and poor judgment," principally for its handling of information contained in the dossier compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele."
"Though there was no evidence of any agreement between the Russians and the Trump campaign to work together, there was clear coordination, said Senator Angus King, a Maine independent who caucuses with the Democrats and is a member of the Intelligence Committee."
A certain Konstantin Kilimnik was apparently the main source of contact between Manafort and the Russians. What the main MSM will not tell you is that he was already an FBI source within the Ukraine and Russia, ie a double agent. But of course you won't believe it because it doesn't come from a left wing source. https://thehill.com/opinion/wh
Just like Carter Page who was working for the FBI prior to the 2016 election.
So there was Russian interference then? That’s what these all say.
Thanks for posting, it saves me the job. The Daily Caller FFS !!! It is frightening that there are people out there who take on board some of the guff spouted by those sites.
It the same with Brexit, people are slagging off the government for some of the calamities, incompetence and lies on their watch, but at the same time are happy to suck up all the anti EU rhetoric regarding the impasse in the ongoing negotiations without question. I am not saying the EU are blameless for 1 minute because I suspect there is intransigence and game playing on on both sides, but we need to keep an open mind on things. A government underperforming in nearly every other area of business is perfectly capable of underperforming in the Brexit negotiations.
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Lol.
The Daily Caller is one of Dad's more reliable sources of information.
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