| A question of morality 01:04 - Sep 5 with 3851 views | Kerouac |
It has come to my attention that somebody I know who believes himself to be a socialist, anti-capitalist and extinction rebellion member (and is politically active) has been stealing our tax money during the lockdown.
This individual is fortunate enough to be in receipt of thousands of pounds a month having taken early retirement in his 40s, he rents out a barn conversion to holidaymakers on the side (although he barely has any customers).
He has taken a £10,000 grant from the government to "compensate" him for "lost business" during COVID lockdown.
The man was rubbing his hands together at this, "We wouldn't have made £1000 nevermind £10,000!".
A mutual acquaintance talked about this with me separately and expressed anger at the government for making it so easy for people to rip the taxpayer off.
Yet for me, it is the individual abusing the system (the system that was set up to assist UK business and employers and employees through this crisis) that is deserving of the anger, not the government.
So what do you think?
Who is in the wrong, the government? Or the individuals who have abused the system and robbed our money? |  |
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| A question of morality on 16:03 - Sep 8 with 751 views | ItchySphincter |
| A question of morality on 15:52 - Sep 8 by pikeypaul |
So when you are proven wrong and shown to be a know nothing,your only reply is abuse,reminds me of the other loser, bedsit boy.
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AFLI [Post edited 8 Sep 2020 15:55]
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Proven wrong?
I’ve already been proven right. You’re just a know-nothing Bojo the clown fanboi.
At least you’re mildly amusing, thanks. |  |
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| A question of morality on 16:29 - Sep 8 with 737 views | NotLoyal |
| A question of morality on 16:03 - Sep 8 by ItchySphincter |
Proven wrong?
I’ve already been proven right. You’re just a know-nothing Bojo the clown fanboi.
At least you’re mildly amusing, thanks. |
Stop sitting on the fence itchy 😂 |  |
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| A question of morality on 17:01 - Sep 8 with 727 views | Kerouac |
| A question of morality on 14:30 - Sep 8 by Catullus |
Hasn't it been that way ever since we started clumping together in communities, the poor end up doing all the work and paying relatively more than the rich people, meanwhile the rich get ever richer?
Were we better off in an agrarian society where we bartered for goods? Money, it always comes back to money, it's evil stuff. |
"Were we better off in an agrarian society where we bartered for goods?"
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| A question of morality on 18:36 - Sep 8 with 693 views | Humpty |
| A question of morality on 15:52 - Sep 8 by pikeypaul |
So when you are proven wrong and shown to be a know nothing,your only reply is abuse,reminds me of the other loser, bedsit boy.
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AFLI [Post edited 8 Sep 2020 15:55]
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Lol.
Another fine example of the whining, hypocritical right.
Nowhere in this thread has Itchy been abusive to Pikey, other than point out that Pikey is a bit thick.
Whereas Pikey has called Itchy a tw@t, an rsole and a prick. Then he whinges about Itchy only replying with abuse.
Absolutely priceless. |  | | |
| A question of morality on 18:53 - Sep 8 with 681 views | Humpty |
| A question of morality on 11:51 - Sep 8 by Kerouac |
I'm not talking about empty rhetoric and spin. I'm talking about real world examples.
I know another small businessman (who is much less political, he tends to go for a lot of the woke stuff but couldn't be described as a Socialist in any way) whose business was going bust before Covid struck...his employees didn't know this, on the face of it all was fine...Covid comes along and he was visibly relieved.
He has known from the outset of this that his business won't be returning, it didn't stop him claiming every bit of support he could off the government and living the lifestyle of someone who was successful with OUR cash though.
The government did what they could to help people...if they had not done this the left would have vilified them...and a mass fraud has been conducted by people who spend a lot of time moralising to anyone who will listen but evidently don't know right from wrong.
...and Catullus, do you not realise how much time and staff it would take to administer this help for business given on that scale?
Try and get your head around the task of taking on thousands of extra staff and training them, during Covid (!)...don't you rember the speed at which the financial help needed to be distributed? Remember it wasn't enough or done quick enough in the eyes of many.
The Government were trying to help people who needed the help. They needed to do this because they had taken measures to help everybody as regards their health.
The individuals who abused this help were only helping themselves to our cash. It is they who are immoral. |
Surprise, surprise.
Kerouac has once again got examples of people behaving badly and amazingly one is a socialist environmentalist and the other is woke. Incredible how often that happens to him.
The thing is I actually agree with a lot of what you say in this thread. But you just make yourself look silly with your constant attempts to connect the left to anything wrong or immoral.
As it happens a mate of mine with his own business claimed somewhere around ten grand that he wasn't really entitled to and no checks were made, just a nice fat cheque handed to him. He also happens to be a Brexiteer and a Tory voter. Does that mean Tory supporting Brexiteers are all devious, dishonest thieves? Of course not.
As I say, you're making yourself look silly. | | | |
| A question of morality on 20:08 - Sep 8 with 656 views | Catullus |
| A question of morality on 11:51 - Sep 8 by Kerouac |
I'm not talking about empty rhetoric and spin. I'm talking about real world examples.
I know another small businessman (who is much less political, he tends to go for a lot of the woke stuff but couldn't be described as a Socialist in any way) whose business was going bust before Covid struck...his employees didn't know this, on the face of it all was fine...Covid comes along and he was visibly relieved.
He has known from the outset of this that his business won't be returning, it didn't stop him claiming every bit of support he could off the government and living the lifestyle of someone who was successful with OUR cash though.
The government did what they could to help people...if they had not done this the left would have vilified them...and a mass fraud has been conducted by people who spend a lot of time moralising to anyone who will listen but evidently don't know right from wrong.
...and Catullus, do you not realise how much time and staff it would take to administer this help for business given on that scale?
Try and get your head around the task of taking on thousands of extra staff and training them, during Covid (!)...don't you rember the speed at which the financial help needed to be distributed? Remember it wasn't enough or done quick enough in the eyes of many.
The Government were trying to help people who needed the help. They needed to do this because they had taken measures to help everybody as regards their health.
The individuals who abused this help were only helping themselves to our cash. It is they who are immoral. |
It would take minutes to run a HMRC check on a businesses tax return, isn't that the point of a tech driven world, these things should be capable of being done quickly?
However, accepting it couldn't be done, this should be thoroughly investigated after the event and any money paid out fraudulently should be reclaimed with interest. I doubt it will be seeing as there will be a lot of jobs at further risk. So the crooks will get away with it. For the government it is very much a case of can't do right for doing wrong. |  |
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| A question of morality on 20:23 - Sep 8 with 650 views | FieryJack |
Says all you need to know about Pikey and Kerouac - consorting with greedy, immoral businessmen. |  | | |
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