| The Living Planet report 09:03 - Sep 10 with 6557 views | Catullus |
As if we didn't know but human expansion is killing us. Wildlife is being lost at the greatest rate ever. A football sized pitch of the Amazon rain forest is being cleared for beef cattle grazing land EVERY MINUTE.
They are even saying that our expansion into other creatures habitats , the illegal wildlife trade and the removal of wildlife could be responsible for the Covid pandemic and that if we continue this kind of thing will be more commonplace.
We are destroying, or maybe have destroyed the balance of our planet and it is the whole of humankind who will suffer as a result of our own greed and stupidity. |  |
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| The Living Planet report on 21:04 - Sep 10 with 1117 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 20:31 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
How do we improve distribution without causing the harm mentioned in the living planet report? Is transporting fruit grown in Andalusia, using fossil groundwater to the UK sustainable?
How do we burn so much as a molecule of gas or oil without contributing to climate change?
What good would building a reservoir in SE England do when their water supply is from groundwater? If we did what harm would that do to ecosystems?
You know I'm not clueless, that's just silly. I'm also not brainwashed. I see things as they are. Which is sometimes depressing.
I don't think you have to look far too find someone who is brainwashed even though you don't realise it. |
How do we improve distribution without causing the harm mentioned in the living planet report?
You believe it, you really do.
Let me provide you with a couple of examples, did you see the report on the BBC about the underwater rivers of warm water under the western Antarctic, ie the Thwaites glacier which is going to melt all the ice and drown all the coastal cities?
Do you believe it? A simple yes or no will do.
Do you believe that Hurricanes, Typhoons & Tornadoes are getting worse?
You do realise that you are accepting the precautionary principle, have you ever been tempted to look at the alternative, ie adaptation.
Adaptation is what Humans have been doing since their origin, engineering, science & technology allow use to adapt faster and easier.
"What good would building a reservoir in SE England do when their water supply is from groundwater?" What?
The reservoir supplements the aquifer allowing it more time to refill.
At the moment all the rain water goes in to the rivers and out to sea. Storage has always been the answer, Victorian Engineers new this but modern governments are clueless.
Well you are the one that is worried about ecosystems, what harm do you think having raging torrents of water running through them does, having them massively flooded?
By the way I am still waiting for that list of essential things that the world is running out of, not that I can think of any more essential than the ones I provided. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 21:05 - Sep 10 with 1117 views | Professor |
| The Living Planet report on 18:42 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
In the context of the living planet report. Food, oil, gas and water.
Food - we throw it away because people are greedy. Some parts of the world have nowhere near enough. Others destroy the environment to produce too much.
Oil - destroys the climate
Gas - see oil.
Water - there isn't even enough in SE England to serve the local population before you consider drier areas.
I'm not turning this in to another climate change thread, you've been made to look daft on enough of those already. So don't go there. |
That's a fair assessment of food production systems. Imbalance and lack of sustainable production. Deforestation for soya to feed animals (though this is now slowing at least), poor use of water, soil erosion and overcropping. Lack of micronutrients in many diets as based solely on a complex carbohydrate staple.
A lot of change needed. Challenges with rising populations and climate change.
If you have never read it the Beddington report (although a few years old now). is excellent
https://assets.publishing.serv | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 21:31 - Sep 10 with 1102 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 21:05 - Sep 10 by Professor |
That's a fair assessment of food production systems. Imbalance and lack of sustainable production. Deforestation for soya to feed animals (though this is now slowing at least), poor use of water, soil erosion and overcropping. Lack of micronutrients in many diets as based solely on a complex carbohydrate staple.
A lot of change needed. Challenges with rising populations and climate change.
If you have never read it the Beddington report (although a few years old now). is excellent
https://assets.publishing.serv |
Sorry, I couldn't get past the introduction "The needs of a growing world population will need to be satisfied as critical resources such as water, energy and land become increasingly scarce."
Straight out of The Club of Rome playbook, they have been predicting peaks of things for decades, which have not happened, except of course for population growth which peaked by 1970 which decreases with education and industrialisation.
None of those 3 need to become scarce, only by preventing cheap, reliable energy do you prevent plentiful water.
As to land becoming scarce that is also not true, productivity is the key to land use. If absolutely necessary vertical greenhousing could be used. But that is far in the future, after the 3rd world countries reach the same productivity levels as the 1st world countries. [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 21:37]
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| The Living Planet report on 21:46 - Sep 10 with 1093 views | Scotia |
| The Living Planet report on 21:04 - Sep 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
How do we improve distribution without causing the harm mentioned in the living planet report?
You believe it, you really do.
Let me provide you with a couple of examples, did you see the report on the BBC about the underwater rivers of warm water under the western Antarctic, ie the Thwaites glacier which is going to melt all the ice and drown all the coastal cities?
Do you believe it? A simple yes or no will do.
Do you believe that Hurricanes, Typhoons & Tornadoes are getting worse?
You do realise that you are accepting the precautionary principle, have you ever been tempted to look at the alternative, ie adaptation.
Adaptation is what Humans have been doing since their origin, engineering, science & technology allow use to adapt faster and easier.
"What good would building a reservoir in SE England do when their water supply is from groundwater?" What?
The reservoir supplements the aquifer allowing it more time to refill.
At the moment all the rain water goes in to the rivers and out to sea. Storage has always been the answer, Victorian Engineers new this but modern governments are clueless.
Well you are the one that is worried about ecosystems, what harm do you think having raging torrents of water running through them does, having them massively flooded?
By the way I am still waiting for that list of essential things that the world is running out of, not that I can think of any more essential than the ones I provided. |
I haven't seen that BBC article.
Yes extreme weather events are getting more frequent, that is obvious, it is too early to conclusively say that they are the result of climate change although it is likely.
I really don't see the point of those two points?
We can adapt to a point, unfortunately we are a victim of our own success. When the climate has changed and there are billions more of us with less resources to use then adapting will be the least of our problems.
Where are we supposed to build these reservoirs in SE England? High sided valley's aren't exactly in abundance and land is quite valuable. It does make you wonder why the victorian engineers didn't bother building reservoirs there in the first place. What do they know?
Perhaps we just need less people in these areas?
Many important ecosystems develop in raging torrents because that is the environment they need, it does them no harm at all, they are designed to be there. If humans interfere with it problems arise.
Would you buy a house on a floodplain?
I addressed why those resources you mentioned aren't sustainable and there probably aren't any more important.
I'm all ears if you can demonstrate how environmentally friendly our food supply is? | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 11:45 - Sep 11 with 1034 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 21:46 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
I haven't seen that BBC article.
Yes extreme weather events are getting more frequent, that is obvious, it is too early to conclusively say that they are the result of climate change although it is likely.
I really don't see the point of those two points?
We can adapt to a point, unfortunately we are a victim of our own success. When the climate has changed and there are billions more of us with less resources to use then adapting will be the least of our problems.
Where are we supposed to build these reservoirs in SE England? High sided valley's aren't exactly in abundance and land is quite valuable. It does make you wonder why the victorian engineers didn't bother building reservoirs there in the first place. What do they know?
Perhaps we just need less people in these areas?
Many important ecosystems develop in raging torrents because that is the environment they need, it does them no harm at all, they are designed to be there. If humans interfere with it problems arise.
Would you buy a house on a floodplain?
I addressed why those resources you mentioned aren't sustainable and there probably aren't any more important.
I'm all ears if you can demonstrate how environmentally friendly our food supply is? |
First of all you say "Yes extreme weather events are getting more frequent, that is obvious".
Can you please point out to me examples of these extreme weather events that are getting more frequent, 2 or 3 will do.
Well here is the proposal to build 2 of them.
https://wwtonline.co.uk/news/s
One thing I forgot to mention, the water boards are wasting 3 Billion litres of fresh water every day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/bus
Stop those leaks and that will go a long way guaranteeing future supply. Of course most of these leaky pipes come from the dim & distant past when the water pressure didn't need to be quite so high.
Would I build my house on a flood plain, yes if that was the only area available. Of course I would build it with flood defenses and if absolutely necessary on stilts, just like everywhere else sensibly built where there is water incursion. Adaptation is the key word.
No you did not mention why those resources were not sustainable, all you mentioned was Climate Change.
All transport that creates CO2 is environementally friendly if you happen to be a Plant. CO2 is a fertiliser, it has been greening the world for the last 35 years see the following link.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/g | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 15:58 - Sep 11 with 1022 views | Scotia |
| The Living Planet report on 11:45 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
First of all you say "Yes extreme weather events are getting more frequent, that is obvious".
Can you please point out to me examples of these extreme weather events that are getting more frequent, 2 or 3 will do.
Well here is the proposal to build 2 of them.
https://wwtonline.co.uk/news/s
One thing I forgot to mention, the water boards are wasting 3 Billion litres of fresh water every day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/bus
Stop those leaks and that will go a long way guaranteeing future supply. Of course most of these leaky pipes come from the dim & distant past when the water pressure didn't need to be quite so high.
Would I build my house on a flood plain, yes if that was the only area available. Of course I would build it with flood defenses and if absolutely necessary on stilts, just like everywhere else sensibly built where there is water incursion. Adaptation is the key word.
No you did not mention why those resources were not sustainable, all you mentioned was Climate Change.
All transport that creates CO2 is environementally friendly if you happen to be a Plant. CO2 is a fertiliser, it has been greening the world for the last 35 years see the following link.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/g |
I'll give you two. In the same place, the recent cumbrian floods have had a 1 in 800 year return period. There have been two such events in a few years. Anyway this thread isn't about climate change.
Yes leaks will go some way to improving supply, but don't forget that water can't be drunk straight from the aquifer or reservoir. Do you know the environment impact of treating water so it is safe to drink?
It is possible that flood plains will be the only place to live if population keeps increasing. Would you live there with no facilities for days on end. No fresh water, no gas, no electricity, no means of escape. Of course building anything in a flood plain has a detrimental impact, basically the archimedes effect. You crack on though if you think a building will survive on stilts in a UK flood - next stop the USA.
I insisted this wasn't about climate change. Its about biodiversity as a whole.
How about starting with what you have eaten today? | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 18:28 - Sep 11 with 1012 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 15:58 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
I'll give you two. In the same place, the recent cumbrian floods have had a 1 in 800 year return period. There have been two such events in a few years. Anyway this thread isn't about climate change.
Yes leaks will go some way to improving supply, but don't forget that water can't be drunk straight from the aquifer or reservoir. Do you know the environment impact of treating water so it is safe to drink?
It is possible that flood plains will be the only place to live if population keeps increasing. Would you live there with no facilities for days on end. No fresh water, no gas, no electricity, no means of escape. Of course building anything in a flood plain has a detrimental impact, basically the archimedes effect. You crack on though if you think a building will survive on stilts in a UK flood - next stop the USA.
I insisted this wasn't about climate change. Its about biodiversity as a whole.
How about starting with what you have eaten today? |
1 in 800 year events.
Well how about looking at some history.
https://notalotofpeopleknowtha
Or you can read these
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
https://www.express.co.uk/comm
Some people actually do their homework when wild claims are made.
People have been living on Flood Plains, Swamps, Bayous etc for 100s of years. Of course they have no idea what they are doing.
Most of the world's cities have been built on flood plains adjacent to rivers and river mouths. So your points are groundless.
As to what I eat, forget it, you want to put the world before humans and I want to put humans before the world. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 18:50 - Sep 11 with 1008 views | Neath_Jack |
Pontificate all you like, the long story short is that there are too many people on this planet. It will come to it's natural end one day, and no amount of engineering or technology will be able to stop it.
Pointless worrying about it, live your lives and give up trying to prove internet nerds wrong.
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| The Living Planet report on 18:56 - Sep 11 with 1006 views | Scotia |
| The Living Planet report on 18:28 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
1 in 800 year events.
Well how about looking at some history.
https://notalotofpeopleknowtha
Or you can read these
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
https://www.express.co.uk/comm
Some people actually do their homework when wild claims are made.
People have been living on Flood Plains, Swamps, Bayous etc for 100s of years. Of course they have no idea what they are doing.
Most of the world's cities have been built on flood plains adjacent to rivers and river mouths. So your points are groundless.
As to what I eat, forget it, you want to put the world before humans and I want to put humans before the world. |
I don't think you know what I mean by a 1 in 800 event do you? I wouldn't put money on Paul Holmewood knowing either. That article is fundamentally wrong.
I don't want to put anyone before anything. We need to live together with nature or we will lose the battle. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 19:02 - Sep 11 with 1004 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 18:56 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
I don't think you know what I mean by a 1 in 800 event do you? I wouldn't put money on Paul Holmewood knowing either. That article is fundamentally wrong.
I don't want to put anyone before anything. We need to live together with nature or we will lose the battle. |
Yes of course it is, you would rather believe the WWF and the UN than actual history, that is your perogative.
There is no "battle" with nature, there is only a battle with greed and the stupidity of man. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 20:35 - Sep 11 with 986 views | Scotia |
| The Living Planet report on 19:02 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes of course it is, you would rather believe the WWF and the UN than actual history, that is your perogative.
There is no "battle" with nature, there is only a battle with greed and the stupidity of man. |
So do you understand what a flood return period is or not?
I'm not believing anything. It's what I see every day of my professional life. I don't have to go to a rain forest to see the effects of the living planet report and neither would you. Sit in your garden and observe wildlife or open your mind and think about the price of food.
Is it sustainable for milk to cost less than water in some cases, or an egg to cost less than a potato?
99% of humans are in a battle with nature. If living on a flood plain isn't a battle with nature then what is? | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 23:10 - Sep 11 with 968 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 20:35 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
So do you understand what a flood return period is or not?
I'm not believing anything. It's what I see every day of my professional life. I don't have to go to a rain forest to see the effects of the living planet report and neither would you. Sit in your garden and observe wildlife or open your mind and think about the price of food.
Is it sustainable for milk to cost less than water in some cases, or an egg to cost less than a potato?
99% of humans are in a battle with nature. If living on a flood plain isn't a battle with nature then what is? |
I know what a 1 in 800 year event is.
I have no idea what your version means.
So you describe it for me and I will look at it.
I can honestly say I have hardly ever met anyone as outright negative as you.
You have this wierd "Can't do" attitude instead of can do and we will find a way.
If the world had been populated by people like you the Dutch would have all drowned, along with all the Vienese.
We would never have drained the Fens.
The Suez and Panama cannals would never have been built, nor the rail lines across the USA and Russia.
Men would never have got to the moon.
I have knocked down your so called shortages, shown that CO2 is good for the environment and food production.
The only weather extreme you mentioned isn't.
And all you can do is moan about ecology.
You win, I give up it is just not worth sharing data with you, as you just ignore it, so don't bother with 800 flood return.
I feel genuinely sorry for you, it must be hell living with such negativity. [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 23:12]
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| The Living Planet report on 23:36 - Sep 11 with 958 views | Professor |
| The Living Planet report on 23:10 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
I know what a 1 in 800 year event is.
I have no idea what your version means.
So you describe it for me and I will look at it.
I can honestly say I have hardly ever met anyone as outright negative as you.
You have this wierd "Can't do" attitude instead of can do and we will find a way.
If the world had been populated by people like you the Dutch would have all drowned, along with all the Vienese.
We would never have drained the Fens.
The Suez and Panama cannals would never have been built, nor the rail lines across the USA and Russia.
Men would never have got to the moon.
I have knocked down your so called shortages, shown that CO2 is good for the environment and food production.
The only weather extreme you mentioned isn't.
And all you can do is moan about ecology.
You win, I give up it is just not worth sharing data with you, as you just ignore it, so don't bother with 800 flood return.
I feel genuinely sorry for you, it must be hell living with such negativity. [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 23:12]
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Hmmm....
https://www.nature.com/article
Do you seriously think that food production is sustainable? Where is the protein content in animal feed from? US grain-fed beef production not without consequence.? Monoculture to meet plant protein trends a good thing? Yes science and innovation helps, but not going to help the sub-Saharan pastoralist or the Latin American hill farmer soon. LMICs need sustainable solutions not our perceptions of productivity
Scotia is just a realist. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 07:23 - Sep 12 with 938 views | Scotia |
| The Living Planet report on 23:10 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
I know what a 1 in 800 year event is.
I have no idea what your version means.
So you describe it for me and I will look at it.
I can honestly say I have hardly ever met anyone as outright negative as you.
You have this wierd "Can't do" attitude instead of can do and we will find a way.
If the world had been populated by people like you the Dutch would have all drowned, along with all the Vienese.
We would never have drained the Fens.
The Suez and Panama cannals would never have been built, nor the rail lines across the USA and Russia.
Men would never have got to the moon.
I have knocked down your so called shortages, shown that CO2 is good for the environment and food production.
The only weather extreme you mentioned isn't.
And all you can do is moan about ecology.
You win, I give up it is just not worth sharing data with you, as you just ignore it, so don't bother with 800 flood return.
I feel genuinely sorry for you, it must be hell living with such negativity. [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 23:12]
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A return period is the "odds" of that event happening in a given year. Calculated on all available rainfall, river flow and model predictions.
Essentially it is a "live" measurement. Flood events with odds of 800 / 1 have happened twice in a few years. That has not happened before in the UK.
Ironically that probably means those events would now be revaluated to be something like a 1 in 400 event which tells it's own story.
Some human activity has definitely been beneficial, without a doubt. To a certain extent nature has adapted to live with us. Now there are so many humans on the planet there no longer is a balance which is what the report shows.
The problem is humans have lived with a can do attitude without ever considering if we should do. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 19:57 - Sep 12 with 916 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The first link with the NCA2014 data.
First point is Heatwaves.
Well with ever increasing temperatures coming out of the last Ice Age you would expect a lot more and intense heatwaves, especially in the 21st Century
However they are not that much different from historical heatwaves, in the UK we have had nothing like the heatwave of 1976, for high temperatures over an extended period far longer than current heatwaves.
The UK 1911 heatwave was also as bad as modern heatwaves.
In the USA they are barely any different to the 1911 and 1930 "dust bowl" heat waves that went on almost every year for over 8 years.
Plus the highest temperature in the world was set in in 1913.
European heatwaves have been slightly worse than earlier heatwaves of the 20th century but nothing like the 1540 11 month long heatwave.
The Australian 21st century heatwaves are not the hottest or longest as claimed, because the Australian BOM no longer include pre 1910 temperatures in their ACORN 1 & 2 records.
The highest temperature ever recorded in Australia was 50.7C in Oodnadatta, South Australia on January 2, 1960
Next they have droughts which concentrates mostly on the Texas 1911 drought.
The official drought indicator is the NASA Palmer Drought Index which can be found here.
For anyone interested look at the 1934 and 1936 droughts that dwarf the 1911 Texas drought.
Then we have Heavy Precipitation their chart shows continued increases from the dustbowl years of the 1930s right through to the 2000 with a 10 fold increase since the 1950s.
So with such a massive increase you would expect lots of records to have been broken all over the US.
Well no they haven't.
1960 had the highest annual rainfall recorded since the US National Weather Service records began in 1940.
https://stacker.com/stories/30
In 1960 - 103" of rain was recorded.
1963 - 90.2"
1979 - 88.9"
1961 - 88.4"
1970 - 87.4"
The only recent year that comes close to those worst years is 2011 which had 88.6" of rain and came in at 4th place.
Well those most recent extreme rainfall events in the 2000s must have broken some maximum rainfall records mustn't they?
Well no again, for most states they didn't, maximum 24 hour rainfall records for every US state can be found here.
https://stacker.com/stories/30
Only 6 states broke a 24 hour rainfall record in the 2000s out of the 49 states, although Texas may have broken the record in 2018, but it has not been confirmed.
How about an hourly record? Nope, the world record was set in 1947.
https://wmo.asu.edu/content/wo
You see what they did using specially selecting data that shows what they wanted.
Their next topic was floods, with carefully selected periods.
Just take a look at the world's worst floods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
only 1999 appears in the top 20.
Then they show Hurricanes and only include data from the 1980s, there were many hurricanes prior to 1980.
But they do not include Typhoons or Tornadoes.
For the most powerful (extreme) Typhoons see
https://www.thoughtco.com/most
For Tornadoes, there has not been a category EF5 Tornadoes since 2013 and EF4 & EF5 Tornadoes have been declining over the years see chart 2 here.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/clim
I am not even going to bother with the other links, because I know how they work and ScepticalScience is the worst of all.
Even the IPCC says that there is no evidence that Weather extremes are linked to Climate Change.
I quote from the AR5 IPCC Synthesis Report
"There is low confidence in observed global-scale trends in droughts, due to lack of direct observations,"
" There is also low confidence in the attribution of changes in drought over global land areas since the mid-20th century,"
"There are likely more land regions where the number of heavy precipitation events has increased than where it has decreased". Note "likely" no definitive data.
"There is low confidence that anthropogenic climate change has affected the frequency and magnitude of fluvial floods on a global scale"
"There is low confidence that long-term changes in tropical cyclone activity are robust, and there is low confidence in the attribution of global changes to any particular cause."
You can read it yourselves here
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/asset
You guys carry on believing in your carefully crafted scare summaries and I will believe in the raw data, even that IPCC report was written by their political propoganda arm and no scientists. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 21:03 - Sep 12 with 904 views | Catullus |
| The Living Planet report on 19:57 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
The first link with the NCA2014 data.
First point is Heatwaves.
Well with ever increasing temperatures coming out of the last Ice Age you would expect a lot more and intense heatwaves, especially in the 21st Century
However they are not that much different from historical heatwaves, in the UK we have had nothing like the heatwave of 1976, for high temperatures over an extended period far longer than current heatwaves.
The UK 1911 heatwave was also as bad as modern heatwaves.
In the USA they are barely any different to the 1911 and 1930 "dust bowl" heat waves that went on almost every year for over 8 years.
Plus the highest temperature in the world was set in in 1913.
European heatwaves have been slightly worse than earlier heatwaves of the 20th century but nothing like the 1540 11 month long heatwave.
The Australian 21st century heatwaves are not the hottest or longest as claimed, because the Australian BOM no longer include pre 1910 temperatures in their ACORN 1 & 2 records.
The highest temperature ever recorded in Australia was 50.7C in Oodnadatta, South Australia on January 2, 1960
Next they have droughts which concentrates mostly on the Texas 1911 drought.
The official drought indicator is the NASA Palmer Drought Index which can be found here.
For anyone interested look at the 1934 and 1936 droughts that dwarf the 1911 Texas drought.
Then we have Heavy Precipitation their chart shows continued increases from the dustbowl years of the 1930s right through to the 2000 with a 10 fold increase since the 1950s.
So with such a massive increase you would expect lots of records to have been broken all over the US.
Well no they haven't.
1960 had the highest annual rainfall recorded since the US National Weather Service records began in 1940.
https://stacker.com/stories/30
In 1960 - 103" of rain was recorded.
1963 - 90.2"
1979 - 88.9"
1961 - 88.4"
1970 - 87.4"
The only recent year that comes close to those worst years is 2011 which had 88.6" of rain and came in at 4th place.
Well those most recent extreme rainfall events in the 2000s must have broken some maximum rainfall records mustn't they?
Well no again, for most states they didn't, maximum 24 hour rainfall records for every US state can be found here.
https://stacker.com/stories/30
Only 6 states broke a 24 hour rainfall record in the 2000s out of the 49 states, although Texas may have broken the record in 2018, but it has not been confirmed.
How about an hourly record? Nope, the world record was set in 1947.
https://wmo.asu.edu/content/wo
You see what they did using specially selecting data that shows what they wanted.
Their next topic was floods, with carefully selected periods.
Just take a look at the world's worst floods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
only 1999 appears in the top 20.
Then they show Hurricanes and only include data from the 1980s, there were many hurricanes prior to 1980.
But they do not include Typhoons or Tornadoes.
For the most powerful (extreme) Typhoons see
https://www.thoughtco.com/most
For Tornadoes, there has not been a category EF5 Tornadoes since 2013 and EF4 & EF5 Tornadoes have been declining over the years see chart 2 here.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/clim
I am not even going to bother with the other links, because I know how they work and ScepticalScience is the worst of all.
Even the IPCC says that there is no evidence that Weather extremes are linked to Climate Change.
I quote from the AR5 IPCC Synthesis Report
"There is low confidence in observed global-scale trends in droughts, due to lack of direct observations,"
" There is also low confidence in the attribution of changes in drought over global land areas since the mid-20th century,"
"There are likely more land regions where the number of heavy precipitation events has increased than where it has decreased". Note "likely" no definitive data.
"There is low confidence that anthropogenic climate change has affected the frequency and magnitude of fluvial floods on a global scale"
"There is low confidence that long-term changes in tropical cyclone activity are robust, and there is low confidence in the attribution of global changes to any particular cause."
You can read it yourselves here
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/asset
You guys carry on believing in your carefully crafted scare summaries and I will believe in the raw data, even that IPCC report was written by their political propoganda arm and no scientists. |
Hang on, you'll take the Express as a credible source but not Skeptical Science because you know how they work?
That's not really a credible attitude. The express is a rag, every day it carries misleading headlines. On that bombshell, it's goodnight! | |
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| The Living Planet report on 10:59 - Sep 13 with 886 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 21:03 - Sep 12 by Catullus |
Hang on, you'll take the Express as a credible source but not Skeptical Science because you know how they work?
That's not really a credible attitude. The express is a rag, every day it carries misleading headlines. On that bombshell, it's goodnight! |
Did I quote the Express?
I quoted or linked to Stacker who use NASA data.
I quted or linked to NASA.
I quoted or linked to Wiki.
I quoted or linked to NCDC.
I quoted or linked to thoughtco who use official data.
I quoted or linked to the IPCC itself.
Sceptical Science is run by John Cook who is not any kind of Climate Scientist, he is a Psycholigist, who lied and cheated in his so called scientific study papers. They are Climate Change Activists and his job is to attack science sceptics.
All the places I linked to are official DATA sites,.
Bombshell my arse. [Post edited 13 Sep 2020 11:13]
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| The Living Planet report on 11:12 - Sep 13 with 884 views | Catullus |
| The Living Planet report on 18:28 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
1 in 800 year events.
Well how about looking at some history.
https://notalotofpeopleknowtha
Or you can read these
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
https://www.express.co.uk/comm
Some people actually do their homework when wild claims are made.
People have been living on Flood Plains, Swamps, Bayous etc for 100s of years. Of course they have no idea what they are doing.
Most of the world's cities have been built on flood plains adjacent to rivers and river mouths. So your points are groundless.
As to what I eat, forget it, you want to put the world before humans and I want to put humans before the world. |
Tell me again you didn't link the Express? | |
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| The Living Planet report on 11:19 - Sep 13 with 877 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 11:12 - Sep 13 by Catullus |
Tell me again you didn't link the Express? |
Not in the link to your post I didn't. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 11:34 - Sep 13 with 874 views | Catullus |
| The Living Planet report on 11:19 - Sep 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
Not in the link to your post I didn't. |
I said you'd accept the Express as a credible source and you did, it doesn't matter when on this thread you linked to them, you did link to them.
So is the Express a credible source or not?
It's not in my opinion. As far as newspapers go the Express is high on the list of rubbish media. | |
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| The Living Planet report on 11:49 - Sep 13 with 870 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 11:34 - Sep 13 by Catullus |
I said you'd accept the Express as a credible source and you did, it doesn't matter when on this thread you linked to them, you did link to them.
So is the Express a credible source or not?
It's not in my opinion. As far as newspapers go the Express is high on the list of rubbish media. |
So, you are now the arbiter of what is a good source of information or not.
So, to you it does not matter how good an author or reporter is, his or her opinion must be discounted because they get their story printed in the Daily Express.
I must remember to check with you before quoting any writer just in case they print in an "unacceptable" outlet.
Oh, I forgot, you don't accept, "denier" sites, right wing sites etc because they don't fit your world view.
It only leaves sources that you agree with.
Not much point in posting really.
So when are you going to respond to all "acceptable" sites I did link to? | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 18:07 - Sep 13 with 860 views | Catullus |
| The Living Planet report on 11:49 - Sep 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, you are now the arbiter of what is a good source of information or not.
So, to you it does not matter how good an author or reporter is, his or her opinion must be discounted because they get their story printed in the Daily Express.
I must remember to check with you before quoting any writer just in case they print in an "unacceptable" outlet.
Oh, I forgot, you don't accept, "denier" sites, right wing sites etc because they don't fit your world view.
It only leaves sources that you agree with.
Not much point in posting really.
So when are you going to respond to all "acceptable" sites I did link to? |
Actually when you dismissed a source I used you opened the door on being an arbiter. I don't think many people would agree the Express is a top rated source though.
I have posted links here from right wing sites, the Daily Mail once or twice and I even used the Daily Sabah, a right wing Turkish source, Guido Fawkes....there are others.
It's not so much what political leaning any source has, it's more whether or not I find what they produce to be trustworthy, true and accurate. Even the express will be true and accurate sometimes!
The "denier" sites though, they have theor own agendas too. For balance on that I have said I'm not sure about global warming but climate change is irrefutable. Loss of animal diversity is irrefutible. Humankind is driving many species towards extinction, lets start with Elephants,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsroun | |
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| The Living Planet report on 18:28 - Sep 13 with 852 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Living Planet report on 18:07 - Sep 13 by Catullus |
Actually when you dismissed a source I used you opened the door on being an arbiter. I don't think many people would agree the Express is a top rated source though.
I have posted links here from right wing sites, the Daily Mail once or twice and I even used the Daily Sabah, a right wing Turkish source, Guido Fawkes....there are others.
It's not so much what political leaning any source has, it's more whether or not I find what they produce to be trustworthy, true and accurate. Even the express will be true and accurate sometimes!
The "denier" sites though, they have theor own agendas too. For balance on that I have said I'm not sure about global warming but climate change is irrefutable. Loss of animal diversity is irrefutible. Humankind is driving many species towards extinction, lets start with Elephants,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsroun |
I absolutely agree that some animals are being driven to extinction.
But mostly by being hunted, some by habitat destruction.
The ones being hunted are mostly killed for part of them for wierd medical or ritual purposes, especially for the Asian countries.
Just one of the reasons I really dislike the Chinese.
Some are killed by pure vandalism, ie lighting "wild" fires, arson pure & simple.
Some habitat destruction is due to the requirements of feeding people, but there is also a lot due to so called "green" iniatives.
However nobody ever talks about the new species that have been found, only those disappearing.
Nobody talks about all the good work being done to preserve species.
There is no balance.
However there is also some out and out propoganda and mis-information out there.
Only yesterday you had Attenborough saying that Polar Bears will be gone by the 2030s, he is delusional or senile and a total hypocrite. | | | |
| The Living Planet report on 21:21 - Sep 13 with 843 views | Scotia |
| The Living Planet report on 18:28 - Sep 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
I absolutely agree that some animals are being driven to extinction.
But mostly by being hunted, some by habitat destruction.
The ones being hunted are mostly killed for part of them for wierd medical or ritual purposes, especially for the Asian countries.
Just one of the reasons I really dislike the Chinese.
Some are killed by pure vandalism, ie lighting "wild" fires, arson pure & simple.
Some habitat destruction is due to the requirements of feeding people, but there is also a lot due to so called "green" iniatives.
However nobody ever talks about the new species that have been found, only those disappearing.
Nobody talks about all the good work being done to preserve species.
There is no balance.
However there is also some out and out propoganda and mis-information out there.
Only yesterday you had Attenborough saying that Polar Bears will be gone by the 2030s, he is delusional or senile and a total hypocrite. |
Habitat destruction is a far greater cause of the decline of biodiversity than hunting. It is not even close.
There are many species in massive decline in the UK and "hunting" is almost non existent. | | | |
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