| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI 13:03 - Sep 29 with 6551 views | onehunglow |
Sense at last.
Court of Appeal upholds the decision not to prosecute soldiers for "bloody Sunday".
God only knows how those soldiers have suffered under this cloud for almost 50 years.
A filthy ,dirty war where they were hung out to dry by a succession of British Governments.
That day is of course now folklore in Londonderry and the IRA supporters are of course livid with the decision.
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:40 - Oct 1 with 724 views | felixstowe_jack |
It was not a war just terrorism plain and simple. The security forces have the right to use justifiable force to protect innocent lives.
If the IRA did not want to get arrested or shot when committing terrorist acts then they should have tried peaceful means.
By the way if they thougt it was why did they murder british soldiers and irish policemen when they captured them. That is a war crime.
You can't have it both ways, particularly deliberately targeting civilians and children another war crimes. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:57 - Oct 1 with 712 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:40 - Oct 1 by felixstowe_jack |
It was not a war just terrorism plain and simple. The security forces have the right to use justifiable force to protect innocent lives.
If the IRA did not want to get arrested or shot when committing terrorist acts then they should have tried peaceful means.
By the way if they thougt it was why did they murder british soldiers and irish policemen when they captured them. That is a war crime.
You can't have it both ways, particularly deliberately targeting civilians and children another war crimes. |
The republicans would probably say they had the right to use justifiable force to protect innocent lives as well, in fact I think that is what they did say after Bombay street.
From what I have seen, documentaries and the like, lots of them were happy to fight the good fight and take the risk of being shot or arrested for their cause.
Targeting civilians and children is definitely a war crime in my book, but that counts for both sides mind you. [Post edited 1 Oct 2020 18:07]
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 19:25 - Oct 1 with 697 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:54 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
Morning Cat.
I had a section that had a recruit from the Bogside ,a catholic who came here to get wed and join the British army.
He served in NI and really what he said was incredible but what was striking was when we went for a post shift drink he always had his back to the wall and always checked who was in the pub.He never ever relaxed.
And yeah,the filthy war,where Republicans used women and children to lure young and the more gullible British soldiers.
They were sent in to protect the very people that turned on them.
And the UDA/UVF just as bad. |
I'm not surprised he had his back to the wall, Liverpool and the Wirral were said to have housed IRA bomb making factories, Liverpool even voted in an MP that was an Irish nationalist, I don't mean sympathetic to the cause but stood for a real Irish home rule party on mainland Britain and Liverpool voted him in to Parliament as their MP.
If they did not get Warrington and Manchester bombers they should have started by looking at Liverpool and the Wirral, lots of them were said to be English born as well, second generation immigrants probably and you choose to live in that part of the World with your views, blydi hell. [Post edited 1 Oct 2020 19:51]
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 20:42 - Oct 1 with 678 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:40 - Oct 1 by felixstowe_jack |
It was not a war just terrorism plain and simple. The security forces have the right to use justifiable force to protect innocent lives.
If the IRA did not want to get arrested or shot when committing terrorist acts then they should have tried peaceful means.
By the way if they thougt it was why did they murder british soldiers and irish policemen when they captured them. That is a war crime.
You can't have it both ways, particularly deliberately targeting civilians and children another war crimes. |
Nothing about the north of Ireland is plain and simple.
So you think that the republicans of the north of Ireland are somehow born terrorists ?
Yes ? no ?
Because if they were not born terrorists, then something or someone made them terrorists ?
I am deliberately using your terms.
What do you think might push normal people to such a state that they are prepared to pick up arms and fight the Crown Forces ? I dont feel like that, you dont feel like that ... so why did these men feel it was their only option ? An option that risked their lives and freedoms. Why ?
And dont you think its important to recognise that it was the removal of Crown Forces from the north of Ireland that helped deliver 20 years of peace. Pouring more soldiers in always made things worse.
Under the GFA a person born in the north of Ireland can be British, Irish, or both. And that worked for almost everyone.
There can only be War crimes in a war. Both sides.
You are not helping the old soldiers cause by saying it was not a war. Thats their defence gone right there. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 13:41 - Oct 2 with 621 views | felixstowe_jack |
Most became terrorist purely for the huge sums they were paid to kill innocent civilians. Once the IRA was infiltrated by the UK security services and knew they would probably be killed in any shoot out they stopped volunteering and the IRA and sinn fien leaders knew they could never achieve a victory by force so were forced to negotiate for a peaceful solution. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 13:45 - Oct 2 with 620 views | onehunglow |
Felix .I accept what you ay there but don'st forget the hatred of the British passed down through republican families over the centuries.
What is ironic was ,despite the hatred and the way we were beastly to them,they still flocked here away from the life long,yearning poverty of rural Ireland.
What chokes me is the fact that the majority of killings were never brought to court.
Only punishment was meted out by the paramiliataries | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 20:51 - Oct 2 with 595 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 13:41 - Oct 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Most became terrorist purely for the huge sums they were paid to kill innocent civilians. Once the IRA was infiltrated by the UK security services and knew they would probably be killed in any shoot out they stopped volunteering and the IRA and sinn fien leaders knew they could never achieve a victory by force so were forced to negotiate for a peaceful solution. |
Rubbish.
Only one side was fighting for money. And you called it wrong.
The deal that the Republicans got makes a united Ireland possible within a generation.
If a straight majority in the north want it.
It will be the first part of the uk back in the EU. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:44 - Oct 2 with 580 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 20:51 - Oct 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Rubbish.
Only one side was fighting for money. And you called it wrong.
The deal that the Republicans got makes a united Ireland possible within a generation.
If a straight majority in the north want it.
It will be the first part of the uk back in the EU. |
Rubbish that terrorist killed people.
The IRA who kneecap any Catholics who they deemed to be breaking the rules and refusing to pay protection money to fund the gangsters. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:47 - Oct 2 with 579 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 13:45 - Oct 2 by onehunglow |
Felix .I accept what you ay there but don'st forget the hatred of the British passed down through republican families over the centuries.
What is ironic was ,despite the hatred and the way we were beastly to them,they still flocked here away from the life long,yearning poverty of rural Ireland.
What chokes me is the fact that the majority of killings were never brought to court.
Only punishment was meted out by the paramiliataries |
Strange my family came from Cork and were grateful for the opportunities afforded to us in the UK. In particularly the community in Greenhill and the Hafod. We never hated the British and always believed murder and terrorism are wrong. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 07:53 - Oct 3 with 550 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 22:44 - Oct 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Rubbish that terrorist killed people.
The IRA who kneecap any Catholics who they deemed to be breaking the rules and refusing to pay protection money to fund the gangsters. |
When the Welsh was fighting the Germanic hordes the Welsh noted that the English fought for land, possessions, money etc (which is the case with most invaders) whereas the Welsh was fighting for their family, friends, culture, way of life.
That seems to be the story in Ireland, there was ruthless gangsters and criminals involved (on both sides) but whether you agree with the paddies or not they did have a 'cause'. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 08:44 - Oct 3 with 534 views | Nortbankboy |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 07:53 - Oct 3 by trampie |
When the Welsh was fighting the Germanic hordes the Welsh noted that the English fought for land, possessions, money etc (which is the case with most invaders) whereas the Welsh was fighting for their family, friends, culture, way of life.
That seems to be the story in Ireland, there was ruthless gangsters and criminals involved (on both sides) but whether you agree with the paddies or not they did have a 'cause'. |
Give Ireland back to the iris h
And stop wasting our money over thete | | | |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:00 - Oct 3 with 524 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 08:44 - Oct 3 by Nortbankboy |
Give Ireland back to the iris h
And stop wasting our money over thete |
Exactly. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:49 - Oct 3 with 510 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 07:53 - Oct 3 by trampie |
When the Welsh was fighting the Germanic hordes the Welsh noted that the English fought for land, possessions, money etc (which is the case with most invaders) whereas the Welsh was fighting for their family, friends, culture, way of life.
That seems to be the story in Ireland, there was ruthless gangsters and criminals involved (on both sides) but whether you agree with the paddies or not they did have a 'cause'. |
The people of NI wish to remain part of the UK it is their democratic right. Does not matter if you agree with it or not. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:18 - Oct 3 with 496 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:49 - Oct 3 by felixstowe_jack |
The people of NI wish to remain part of the UK it is their democratic right. Does not matter if you agree with it or not. |
It's an artificial construct though, its like the people of Bradford wanting to be part of Bangladesh or the people of Leicester wanting to be part of Pakistan or the people of Cardiff wanting to be part of Somalia. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:35 - Oct 3 with 495 views | Nortbankboy |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 09:49 - Oct 3 by felixstowe_jack |
The people of NI wish to remain part of the UK it is their democratic right. Does not matter if you agree with it or not. |
England belongs to England
Wales belongs to Wales
Scotland belongs to Scotland
So give it back to the Irish it's not ours it was taken by force.
It would save us a fortune | | | |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:57 - Oct 3 with 483 views | chad |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:18 - Oct 3 by trampie |
It's an artificial construct though, its like the people of Bradford wanting to be part of Bangladesh or the people of Leicester wanting to be part of Pakistan or the people of Cardiff wanting to be part of Somalia. |
Are Wales, Scotland and England artificial constructs, if we are speaking geographically? |  | | |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:04 - Oct 3 with 471 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:57 - Oct 3 by chad |
Are Wales, Scotland and England artificial constructs, if we are speaking geographically? |
It all belongs to Wales up as far and including Strathclyde, immigrants came to Britannia with their foreign ways and traits and call the shots in what is now known as England. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:07 - Oct 3 with 471 views | onehunglow |
Wales Englan Scotland Northern Ireland is a sovereign country. It will not change Ever. It will not change because people do not want it .
It s that simple.
The Gun and bomb failed and so did the ballot box.
If people really hate the UK they are hypocrites to remain | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:17 - Oct 3 with 459 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:07 - Oct 3 by onehunglow |
Wales Englan Scotland Northern Ireland is a sovereign country. It will not change Ever. It will not change because people do not want it .
It s that simple.
The Gun and bomb failed and so did the ballot box.
If people really hate the UK they are hypocrites to remain |
I wouldn't put money on that, we maybe talking a few decades but the way things are going as things stand the UK days look to be numbered. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:19 - Oct 3 with 450 views | Kerouac |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:40 - Oct 1 by felixstowe_jack |
It was not a war just terrorism plain and simple. The security forces have the right to use justifiable force to protect innocent lives.
If the IRA did not want to get arrested or shot when committing terrorist acts then they should have tried peaceful means.
By the way if they thougt it was why did they murder british soldiers and irish policemen when they captured them. That is a war crime.
You can't have it both ways, particularly deliberately targeting civilians and children another war crimes. |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:29 - Oct 3 with 440 views | trampie |
Tried peaceful means is it, wasn't there civil rights marches and all that, when there is discrimination and gerrymandering then options were limited. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:31 - Oct 3 with 435 views | Kerouac |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 07:53 - Oct 3 by trampie |
When the Welsh was fighting the Germanic hordes the Welsh noted that the English fought for land, possessions, money etc (which is the case with most invaders) whereas the Welsh was fighting for their family, friends, culture, way of life.
That seems to be the story in Ireland, there was ruthless gangsters and criminals involved (on both sides) but whether you agree with the paddies or not they did have a 'cause'. |
Re: your first, laughable, paragraph.
Where is your source? | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:46 - Oct 3 with 428 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:31 - Oct 3 by Kerouac |
Re: your first, laughable, paragraph.
Where is your source? |
I read about it from a renowned historian the book (he had loads published) was said to be aimed at historians and students of politics. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:50 - Oct 3 with 422 views | Kerouac |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:46 - Oct 3 by trampie |
I read about it from a renowned historian the book (he had loads published) was said to be aimed at historians and students of politics. |
Which book?
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