| Kaplan gone 21:09 - Oct 5 with 4862 views | 34dfgdf54 |
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| Kaplan gone on 12:27 - Oct 7 with 1287 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Kaplan gone on 12:25 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The "Tw@t" that invested £100,000 of his own money in SCFC in 2002. As an invester myself i commend his bravery and instincts. At the time i considered investment was for mad dogs and a rare Welshman. It was for me like pouring money down the toilet. Bravo Sir you deserved the rewards. He invested half of what the 1000+ member of the Trust invested on his own simply in his faith in the people runing the club. History will not be written by minnows on forums. |
Don't worry about it Rob I've been called a tw*t loads of times. | | | |
| Kaplan gone on 14:21 - Oct 7 with 1256 views | thornabyswan |
| Kaplan gone on 23:50 - Oct 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What a brilliant post a classic of its type. Completely ill informed. Even getting the person wrong but who cares eh? You have a false narrative and going to stick to it. I commend your persistence if nothing else.
For your inforamtion the gentleman was Robert Davies not Gareth Davies and he invested £100,000 of his own money to help the club out of the abyss. He was not impressed by the Trust leadership for sure. He pocketted £9m and then went to the Ospreys. |
I never said it was Gareth Davies though did I but you crack on I asked who Gareth was and who was the bloke that pocketed the 12 million.
Maybe i should have put it on 2 different posts but try getting your facts right before you post crap. |  |
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| Kaplan gone on 17:00 - Oct 7 with 1195 views | swan65split |
Why would the Trust want to discredit the Club? seems a strange one to me, since the Trust was formed to save it! |  | | |
| Kaplan gone on 18:03 - Oct 7 with 1173 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 17:00 - Oct 7 by swan65split |
Why would the Trust want to discredit the Club? seems a strange one to me, since the Trust was formed to save it! |
The Trust has lost its way badly. The Trust does not have the ability to save Swansea city in its current form. Had it been their intention, they would have been up for sale in 2015 and have sold 75% of their holding, pocketting £15m.
By diversifying their investments from a super high risk football club whos own growth had stabiised, to medium risk shares in a managed fund since 2016 they could have doubled the £15m to £30m in the four years. US index tracker funds have achieved this. They should now be sitting on £30m cash and 5% holding. Legal action success will see them
holding £12-13m with no holding and no home. This sum will be eroded by football inflation.
The Trust need advice badly in the form of and independant financial assessor as to the performance of the Trust over the last 6-7 years and a review of the legal strategy. Its an easy call to make. |  |
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| Kaplan gone on 18:47 - Oct 7 with 1163 views | chad |
| Kaplan gone on 12:25 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The "Tw@t" that invested £100,000 of his own money in SCFC in 2002. As an invester myself i commend his bravery and instincts. At the time i considered investment was for mad dogs and a rare Welshman. It was for me like pouring money down the toilet. Bravo Sir you deserved the rewards. He invested half of what the 1000+ member of the Trust invested on his own simply in his faith in the people runing the club. History will not be written by minnows on forums. |
Unless we have any authors on here you could be right.
But I imagine the court case will be widely reported, and become a matter of public record, a fitting epitaph for an underhand, lying cheat who slyly sold the club down river to stuff his pockets.
History will not be written by Jinx, more fiction, isn’t it public record that he stands accused of falsifying minutes? |  | | |
| Kaplan gone on 19:25 - Oct 7 with 1138 views | swan65split |
| Kaplan gone on 18:03 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust has lost its way badly. The Trust does not have the ability to save Swansea city in its current form. Had it been their intention, they would have been up for sale in 2015 and have sold 75% of their holding, pocketting £15m.
By diversifying their investments from a super high risk football club whos own growth had stabiised, to medium risk shares in a managed fund since 2016 they could have doubled the £15m to £30m in the four years. US index tracker funds have achieved this. They should now be sitting on £30m cash and 5% holding. Legal action success will see them
holding £12-13m with no holding and no home. This sum will be eroded by football inflation.
The Trust need advice badly in the form of and independant financial assessor as to the performance of the Trust over the last 6-7 years and a review of the legal strategy. Its an easy call to make. |
and probably not sold to a hedge fund? | | | |
| Kaplan gone on 20:38 - Oct 7 with 1093 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 19:25 - Oct 7 by swan65split |
and probably not sold to a hedge fund? |
Explain to me what is wrong with a hedge fund? There is no evidence it is run as a hedge fund but even if it was why is this problem? Do you have any direct poor experiences with this type of investment? | |
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| Kaplan gone on 20:52 - Oct 7 with 1082 views | Highjack |
| Kaplan gone on 20:38 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Explain to me what is wrong with a hedge fund? There is no evidence it is run as a hedge fund but even if it was why is this problem? Do you have any direct poor experiences with this type of investment? |
Tell us what sort of people they are then please Rob because after many years we still don’t have an effing clue who they are or what they do. |  |
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| Kaplan gone on 21:26 - Oct 7 with 1068 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 20:52 - Oct 7 by Highjack |
Tell us what sort of people they are then please Rob because after many years we still don’t have an effing clue who they are or what they do. |
People just throw out the "hedge fund " words in the hope it can illicit emotions of fear and distrust. Another peice of housekeeping is that I am not Rob and my view are independent.
So "what sort of people invest in hedgefunds?". People who run and invest in hedgefunds are experienced investors who have deep pockets and generally invest in high risk assets in order to get potentially high risk returns. They are not suitable for normal people who have protection by the FSA in the UK. It is simply an alternative investment mechanism without government protection. Others can explain the mechanics better but there is nothing mysterious about it . | |
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| Kaplan gone on 21:48 - Oct 7 with 1060 views | Highjack |
| Kaplan gone on 21:26 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
People just throw out the "hedge fund " words in the hope it can illicit emotions of fear and distrust. Another peice of housekeeping is that I am not Rob and my view are independent.
So "what sort of people invest in hedgefunds?". People who run and invest in hedgefunds are experienced investors who have deep pockets and generally invest in high risk assets in order to get potentially high risk returns. They are not suitable for normal people who have protection by the FSA in the UK. It is simply an alternative investment mechanism without government protection. Others can explain the mechanics better but there is nothing mysterious about it . |
Well that’s one answer to a completely different question Rob.  | |
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| Kaplan gone on 10:03 - Oct 8 with 990 views | swan65split |
| Kaplan gone on 20:38 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Explain to me what is wrong with a hedge fund? There is no evidence it is run as a hedge fund but even if it was why is this problem? Do you have any direct poor experiences with this type of investment? |
Wow , 3 lines 3 questions without answering mine, now where have I seen that before?  | | | |
| Kaplan gone on 14:30 - Oct 8 with 946 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 10:03 - Oct 8 by swan65split |
Wow , 3 lines 3 questions without answering mine, now where have I seen that before? |
I endeavoured to answer the other persons questions as best as I am able. Your question was.
"and probably not sold to a hedge fund?" Not sure what you want to know. It is not known if the 28 are a hedge fund mechanism or not. Only they know that. | |
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| Kaplan gone on 14:59 - Oct 8 with 941 views | swan65split |
| Kaplan gone on 14:30 - Oct 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I endeavoured to answer the other persons questions as best as I am able. Your question was.
"and probably not sold to a hedge fund?" Not sure what you want to know. It is not known if the 28 are a hedge fund mechanism or not. Only they know that. |
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| Kaplan gone on 15:30 - Oct 8 with 930 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Swan65split remember that name to avoid wasting time. | |
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| Kaplan gone on 16:00 - Oct 8 with 920 views | swan65split |
| Kaplan gone on 15:30 - Oct 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swan65split remember that name to avoid wasting time. |
No its me that's not wasting my time, I do have past experience of how a business is run, and what's involved, as the old saying goes …..it's more like a swan gliding across a pond. We see the glide, but underneath the water, that Swan is paddling for dear life to stay afloat!'
I also find it hard to believe that there are many who have no idea what is happening financially as there appears to be no access to proper accounts , how someone, whether from Resolven or not, unless there is a club connection, could have an idea what “really” is going on! | | | |
| Kaplan gone on 12:49 - Oct 9 with 857 views | chad |
| Kaplan gone on 21:26 - Oct 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
People just throw out the "hedge fund " words in the hope it can illicit emotions of fear and distrust. Another peice of housekeeping is that I am not Rob and my view are independent.
So "what sort of people invest in hedgefunds?". People who run and invest in hedgefunds are experienced investors who have deep pockets and generally invest in high risk assets in order to get potentially high risk returns. They are not suitable for normal people who have protection by the FSA in the UK. It is simply an alternative investment mechanism without government protection. Others can explain the mechanics better but there is nothing mysterious about it . |
As I may have said to you before Res love ...
If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done | | | |
| Kaplan gone on 16:50 - Oct 12 with 794 views | Chief |
Still no explanation & requests for information ignored on these developments then.
Why the secrecy? I wasn't duped by Birch but at the moment he looks a totally different level to Winter. |  |
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| Kaplan gone on 17:09 - Oct 12 with 784 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 16:50 - Oct 12 by Chief |
Still no explanation & requests for information ignored on these developments then.
Why the secrecy? I wasn't duped by Birch but at the moment he looks a totally different level to Winter. |
Why do the Trust need to know?. They are planning to take legal action against the clubs owners by all accounts which could cost jobs at the club. A successful case will see them leave the club for good. Until they drop this case, and commit to the club positively they are not worth bothering with, other than what is legally required for all minor shareholders. I agree with this. Commit or get lost. | |
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| Kaplan gone on 17:42 - Oct 12 with 774 views | Chief |
| Kaplan gone on 17:09 - Oct 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why do the Trust need to know?. They are planning to take legal action against the clubs owners by all accounts which could cost jobs at the club. A successful case will see them leave the club for good. Until they drop this case, and commit to the club positively they are not worth bothering with, other than what is legally required for all minor shareholders. I agree with this. Commit or get lost. |
-'Cost jobs by all accounts?" Who's accounts?
-well no, as well know a successful case may see them leave a shareholding in the club for now. That could by no means be permanent.
-the Americans could have committed positively when buying the club by corresponding but they chose not to. They've also declined to since the sale.
-you being the Americans Lord Haw Haw I'm not surprised you agree with their questionable actions. | |
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| Kaplan gone on 17:45 - Oct 12 with 771 views | Chief |
| Kaplan gone on 17:09 - Oct 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why do the Trust need to know?. They are planning to take legal action against the clubs owners by all accounts which could cost jobs at the club. A successful case will see them leave the club for good. Until they drop this case, and commit to the club positively they are not worth bothering with, other than what is legally required for all minor shareholders. I agree with this. Commit or get lost. |
However, before you felt the need for more scaremongering bluster, I wasn't actually referring necessarily to the trust. I didn't mention them.
How about communicating with us? The fans? I'm sure the media would love to follow up on the revelations too, but no more information has been forthcoming.
Why? What do they have to hide? | |
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| Kaplan gone on 18:54 - Oct 12 with 747 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Kaplan gone on 17:09 - Oct 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why do the Trust need to know?. They are planning to take legal action against the clubs owners by all accounts which could cost jobs at the club. A successful case will see them leave the club for good. Until they drop this case, and commit to the club positively they are not worth bothering with, other than what is legally required for all minor shareholders. I agree with this. Commit or get lost. |
Because they own 21% of the club you dullard. Let's have some transparency after the sellouts sneaky underhand way of doing business. |  | | |
| Kaplan gone on 19:02 - Oct 12 with 735 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 18:54 - Oct 12 by Treforys_Jack |
Because they own 21% of the club you dullard. Let's have some transparency after the sellouts sneaky underhand way of doing business. |
The Americans will consult with the Trust as they would any 21% shareholder as required by law. They could go over and above that on request, to be polite, by why bother being polite with a body that calls them out at every opportunity?.
Boardroom changes happen all the time and the fans do not need to know this stuff. What for? Its a private matter.
Mr Birch held forums to answer questions. Perhaps Mr Winter will do the same. | |
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| Kaplan gone on 19:26 - Oct 12 with 725 views | Chief |
| Kaplan gone on 19:02 - Oct 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Americans will consult with the Trust as they would any 21% shareholder as required by law. They could go over and above that on request, to be polite, by why bother being polite with a body that calls them out at every opportunity?.
Boardroom changes happen all the time and the fans do not need to know this stuff. What for? Its a private matter.
Mr Birch held forums to answer questions. Perhaps Mr Winter will do the same. |
"A body that calls them out at every opportunity" - sounds encouraging - precisely what a supporters trust should do. Maybe they aren't the meek silent irrelevancy that certain people like to make out they are then?
If there's nothing untoward or underhand about it, why not let us know? Good business I'd have thought to keep the fans and local media briefed? What harm could it do?
As a fan are you happy to be treated with such contempt or are you just happy to be blissfully unaware of what occurs in the SCFC boardroom?
Balluxx you are, I've read enough of your posts to know such detail is exactly up your alley. But yet again you refuse to be balanced and call out the Americans for obvious bad practice. | |
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| Kaplan gone on 21:52 - Oct 12 with 700 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Kaplan gone on 19:26 - Oct 12 by Chief |
"A body that calls them out at every opportunity" - sounds encouraging - precisely what a supporters trust should do. Maybe they aren't the meek silent irrelevancy that certain people like to make out they are then?
If there's nothing untoward or underhand about it, why not let us know? Good business I'd have thought to keep the fans and local media briefed? What harm could it do?
As a fan are you happy to be treated with such contempt or are you just happy to be blissfully unaware of what occurs in the SCFC boardroom?
Balluxx you are, I've read enough of your posts to know such detail is exactly up your alley. But yet again you refuse to be balanced and call out the Americans for obvious bad practice. |
I hold shares in about 10 companies with my own money invested. I do not expect to be notified on managment changes in the shares I own every time directors change. This is usually notified in annual shareholder statements and accounts and in the press. | |
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