| John Leslie 18:20 - Oct 19 with 1133 views | britferry |
Made of Teflon obviously.
Found not guilty of groping a woman boobies back in 2008 |  |
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| John Leslie on 15:24 - Oct 20 with 288 views | onehunglow |
Thanks Joe for that extended response.
Short answer is ,I don’t have the time to draw up such a system but I d probably start with disclosure because the Defence can literally hang on until they get it and then draw up a defence .
I have a real problem with barristers in that they really do either not tell the whole truth or bend it.
The system allows far too many recidivists to go back out there and carry on their trade.
Now that really is a system we should be challenging because right now all the courts are in their favour. | |
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| John Leslie on 15:36 - Oct 20 with 281 views | Highjack |
| John Leslie on 15:24 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Thanks Joe for that extended response.
Short answer is ,I don’t have the time to draw up such a system but I d probably start with disclosure because the Defence can literally hang on until they get it and then draw up a defence .
I have a real problem with barristers in that they really do either not tell the whole truth or bend it.
The system allows far too many recidivists to go back out there and carry on their trade.
Now that really is a system we should be challenging because right now all the courts are in their favour. |
Are you suggesting that defence lawyers shouldn’t be allowed to draw up a defence? |  |
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| John Leslie on 15:54 - Oct 20 with 273 views | Catullus |
| John Leslie on 15:24 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Thanks Joe for that extended response.
Short answer is ,I don’t have the time to draw up such a system but I d probably start with disclosure because the Defence can literally hang on until they get it and then draw up a defence .
I have a real problem with barristers in that they really do either not tell the whole truth or bend it.
The system allows far too many recidivists to go back out there and carry on their trade.
Now that really is a system we should be challenging because right now all the courts are in their favour. |
Doesn't the system sya that everybody is entitled to a good defence? Isn't that so when somebody is found guilty there should be no doubt?
I understand not liking lawyers/solicitors/barristers who always represent the real scumbags and yes, some of them will knowingly be defending those guilty od serious crimes and getting them off any way they can.
Most though will be decent people just doing their job the best way they can. That's the same for police officers too, some are rubbish, some are great, some are crokked but most are just doing their job.
Unfortunately there are scumbags in all walks of life. | |
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| John Leslie on 15:58 - Oct 20 with 271 views | britferry |
Off the DM...
Leslie had already been investigated an astonishing number of times over separate sexual assault allegations made to police since 2002
He was falsely accused of raping Ulrika, who he dated for a few month
In her 2002 autobiography, Honest, Ulrika revealed she had been date raped by an unnamed TV presenter aged 19, she said she had only met the man one time
Ulrika has never made any complaint to police
In August 2003 Leslie said: ‘I was not damned by anything Ulrika said — I was damned by her silence' | |
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| John Leslie on 16:11 - Oct 20 with 267 views | onehunglow |
Highjack.No,I am not.
Are you suggesting that justice is done in a Court room .?
Are you suggesting our judicial system is just that.?
Are you happy to see a highly paid learned Counsel plead successfully to have the minimum sentence possible ,which is invariably shockingly lenient.
I hope you or our family are never involved and see a perpetrator of a crime against you.
I truly hope you never have a female loved one torn to pieces in a Court and crumble . | |
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| John Leslie on 17:24 - Oct 20 with 245 views | Highjack |
| John Leslie on 16:11 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Highjack.No,I am not.
Are you suggesting that justice is done in a Court room .?
Are you suggesting our judicial system is just that.?
Are you happy to see a highly paid learned Counsel plead successfully to have the minimum sentence possible ,which is invariably shockingly lenient.
I hope you or our family are never involved and see a perpetrator of a crime against you.
I truly hope you never have a female loved one torn to pieces in a Court and crumble . |
It’s the prosecutions job to achieve the maximum sentence within the law, it’s the defences job to achieve the minimum. And that is how it should be. Any issue around lenient sentencing is more to do with the legislators and politicians. It’s the ever ongoing debate over whether criminals should be punished or just be given a massive hug and told “don’t do it again.” If the sentencing guidelines suggest that someone should be given a community service order rather than a custodial sentence it’s not the judges fault or any of the lawyers. They are merely doing their job. | |
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| John Leslie on 18:02 - Oct 20 with 234 views | onehunglow |
I am afraid I do not agree highjack .Frankly, we had best discus this some day over a bottle of Jack Daniels. | |
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| John Leslie on 18:30 - Oct 20 with 227 views | controversial_jack |
| John Leslie on 14:41 - Oct 20 by Joe_bradshaw |
She didn't have a legal team. The charges were brought by the Crown Prosecution Service.
A not guilty verdict doesn't prove that she was lying at all, you clearly have very little grasp of how the system works. The jury decided that the CPS (on whom the burden of proof lies) failed to make their case beyond reasonable doubt. If she was somehow proved to be lying then she will be rightly charged with an offence. Don't hold your breath. |
Isn't it innocent unless proven otherwise? | | | |
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| John Leslie on 08:36 - Oct 21 with 196 views | pikeypaul |
| John Leslie on 14:41 - Oct 20 by Joe_bradshaw |
She didn't have a legal team. The charges were brought by the Crown Prosecution Service.
A not guilty verdict doesn't prove that she was lying at all, you clearly have very little grasp of how the system works. The jury decided that the CPS (on whom the burden of proof lies) failed to make their case beyond reasonable doubt. If she was somehow proved to be lying then she will be rightly charged with an offence. Don't hold your breath. |
The CPS were the legal team acting to get a conviction due to her allegations.I hoped thats not to hard for you to understand .
The bottom line is the jury did not believe her story, spin-it anyway you like , she was not believed.
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| John Leslie on 09:46 - Oct 21 with 179 views | ItchySphincter |
| John Leslie on 20:34 - Oct 19 by Jack11 |
I’m surprised at the lack of solidarity here to be honest. Here’s a fella who’s life has basically been destroyed and he’s never been found guilty of anything! Paraphrasing but no stain on his character for a second time were the remarks from the judge. Blokes should start a me too campaign. For having their lives and reputations wrecked for no reason. |
You make a reasonable point. There’s definitely unconscious bias associated with his name. As you pointed out he has been found not guilty again and the judge went to the length of stressing that it was another unwarranted stain on his reputation. To me it seems, the one thing that has always f*cked him up is that, to my knowledge, Ulrika has never come out to clarify the situation on him and as long as she doesn’t there will always be doubt. |  |
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| John Leslie on 10:08 - Oct 21 with 167 views | Catullus |
| John Leslie on 09:46 - Oct 21 by ItchySphincter |
You make a reasonable point. There’s definitely unconscious bias associated with his name. As you pointed out he has been found not guilty again and the judge went to the length of stressing that it was another unwarranted stain on his reputation. To me it seems, the one thing that has always f*cked him up is that, to my knowledge, Ulrika has never come out to clarify the situation on him and as long as she doesn’t there will always be doubt. |
Doesn't Leslie say that himself, it's not what she said that damaged him, but what she didn't say?
The mud stuck and now some see him as a dirty old letch and a possible easy mark for a court case and compensayshun! Others have him down as guilty whatever happens.
Is it safe to even pay someone a compliment these days? | |
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