| US election observations 00:34 - Nov 7 with 7036 views | CountyJim |
Why do they pick old men
Why do these old men need to have a little jog before they go on stage
Why do these old men as soon as they go on stage need to point at people in the audience
Why does it take so long to count old mens votes  |  | | |  |
| US election observations on 22:00 - Nov 8 with 999 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 21:50 - Nov 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep, and I suspect you know that now too.  |
Oh dear you're talking Rubbish again...
20132. Drop Box Design and Requirements.
5. Each drop box shall be assigned a unique identifying number that is readily identifiable to the designated ballot retrievers and the public on the drop box.
20133. Determination of Drop-off Locations and Number of Drop Boxes.
1. Drop-off locations shall be determined by the county elections official. In determining locations, the elections official shall, at a minimum, consider concentrations of population, geographic areas, voter convenience, proximity to public transportation, community-based locations, security, and available funding.
3. The number of drop-off locations and drop boxes shall be determined by the county elections official.
20137. Ballot Collection Procedures and Chain of Custody.
2. Only designated ballot retrievers and law enforcement identified by the county elections official may transport the retrieved voted vote-by-mail ballots.
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| US election observations on 22:04 - Nov 8 with 994 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 22:00 - Nov 8 by DJack |
Oh dear you're talking Rubbish again...
20132. Drop Box Design and Requirements.
5. Each drop box shall be assigned a unique identifying number that is readily identifiable to the designated ballot retrievers and the public on the drop box.
20133. Determination of Drop-off Locations and Number of Drop Boxes.
1. Drop-off locations shall be determined by the county elections official. In determining locations, the elections official shall, at a minimum, consider concentrations of population, geographic areas, voter convenience, proximity to public transportation, community-based locations, security, and available funding.
3. The number of drop-off locations and drop boxes shall be determined by the county elections official.
20137. Ballot Collection Procedures and Chain of Custody.
2. Only designated ballot retrievers and law enforcement identified by the county elections official may transport the retrieved voted vote-by-mail ballots.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/adminis |
Yes so you were wrong then.
As I said. Why do you do this to yourself?
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| US election observations on 22:06 - Nov 8 with 993 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 22:04 - Nov 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yes so you were wrong then.
As I said. Why do you do this to yourself?
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NO you are wrong, nobody else can put out ballot box collection points. | |
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| US election observations on 22:09 - Nov 8 with 988 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 22:06 - Nov 8 by DJack |
NO you are wrong, nobody else can put out ballot box collection points. |
Yes they can you moron 
The issue was that on these boxes they were labelled as “official” and shouldn’t have been.
As usual you don’t understand the situation or your own copy and pastes. | |
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| US election observations on 22:12 - Nov 8 with 986 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 22:09 - Nov 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yes they can you moron
The issue was that on these boxes they were labelled as “official” and shouldn’t have been.
As usual you don’t understand the situation or your own copy and pastes. |
You're the fool.
Drop-off locations shall be determined by the county elections official. - and not the local GOP in non designated locations
Your repetition of "official" as a label on the box is a diversion and a pathetic one at that. | |
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| US election observations on 22:15 - Nov 8 with 981 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 22:12 - Nov 8 by DJack |
You're the fool.
Drop-off locations shall be determined by the county elections official. - and not the local GOP in non designated locations
Your repetition of "official" as a label on the box is a diversion and a pathetic one at that. |
''Nobody else can put out ballot box collection points.'' is what you claimed.
Wrong. | |
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| US election observations on 22:17 - Nov 8 with 977 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Last Thursday a regional field director with the California Republican Party in Orange County tweeted a photo of himself holding a vote-by-mail ballot, standing next to a black cabinet with a taped sign that read "official ballot drop off box." The staffer, Jordan Tygh, encouraged voters to message him for "convenient locations" to drop off their ballots.
Republicans say this is just ballot harvesting – a practice that allows volunteers, organizations, or campaign workers to collect completed ballots and drop them off at county election offices.
"The Democrat anger is overblown," said California GOP spokesman Hector Barajas. He added that state laws and regulations don't indicate whether private organization's drop boxes are permitted or not.
One of several options California voters have to return their mail-in ballot is choosing someone they trust to drop the completed ballot at a county elections office. In 2016, the law was expanded to allow volunteers, campaign operatives, and private organizations, in addition to close family members, to return a ballot.
The ballot must be signed by both the voter and the person collecting it and dropped off at a local election office within 72 hours. Operatives can be paid by the hour for collecting ballots in California, but they cannot be paid for the number of ballots they collect.
"In California, where you can have convicted felons and individuals with a criminal history go door-to-door and collect ballots from voters, Democrats are now upset because organizations, individuals and groups are offering an opportunity for their friends, family, and patrons to drop off their ballot with someone they know and trust," Barajas said. "If we wanted to use a Santa bag, we could. A locked heavy box seems a lot safer," he added.
According to the Sacramento Bee, the Fresno County Republicans' website had instructions that read, "Don't take a chance that your vote will not be counted. Once your ballot arrives in the mail, mark your ballot completely and then walk it in, as soon as possible, to one of the secure locations listed below." The locations listed included gun shops, a gas station and the county Republican headquarters. Now, the link to the illegal ballot box collection locations is blank, and the Sacramento Bee reported that Fresno County Republicans would remove the ballot boxes by Thursday.
Republicans "mislabeling" and "misrepresenting" the boxes causes an issue, Padilla said, because voters are led to believe they are turning in their ballots to elections officials. He added that voters "do not know who it is they're surrendering their ballot to."
The secretary of state's office is still investigating how many of these boxes appeared over the weekend and how many voters used them. Padilla said all eligible ballots that arrive at county elections offices with "appropriate measures that are taken to ensure the integrity of that vote" will be processed and counted. | |
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| US election observations on 22:21 - Nov 8 with 971 views | Dr_Parnassus |
So, official drop off boxes are to be determined by the state.
These aren't official drop off boxes, they are harvesting boxes.
Hence why the word official was the issue, and was removed.
Its easy. | |
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| US election observations on 12:09 - Nov 9 with 936 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 21:09 - Nov 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
So to sum up.... only you were wrong then? As I said.
As to your question, we don’t know if the boxes were illegal, it’s not a cut and dry situation.
If they are then it comes down to their labelling, as opposed to the boxes themselves as they had the word “official” on them which seems to be the issue there. So there may well have been a label that falls outside of ballot practice... which is why they took them away. |
Wrong they were illegal and you have admitted as such but tried to claim it as otherwise. The GOP have no legal right to place ballot boxes marked as an Official Ballot box - that is an illegal act. There may not be a legal remedy for this action but it is an illegal action.
They broke the law. | |
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| US election observations on 12:14 - Nov 9 with 930 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 12:09 - Nov 9 by DJack |
Wrong they were illegal and you have admitted as such but tried to claim it as otherwise. The GOP have no legal right to place ballot boxes marked as an Official Ballot box - that is an illegal act. There may not be a legal remedy for this action but it is an illegal action.
They broke the law. |
Nothing wrong about what I said at all. Every single thing is factual and spot on.
Where as you seem to have changed your angle a few times because you keep getting it wrong and not understanding your own links and copy and paste jobs.
They were labelled incorrectly yes, an issue they remedied after they were told to. | |
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| US election observations on 12:19 - Nov 9 with 920 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 22:21 - Nov 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
So, official drop off boxes are to be determined by the state.
These aren't official drop off boxes, they are harvesting boxes.
Hence why the word official was the issue, and was removed.
Its easy. |
In states where ballot harvesting is allowed it is done by individuals who collect the ballot from the people. No state has mandated the allowance of collection boxes. | |
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| US election observations on 12:21 - Nov 9 with 917 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 12:19 - Nov 9 by DJack |
In states where ballot harvesting is allowed it is done by individuals who collect the ballot from the people. No state has mandated the allowance of collection boxes. |
Ohh another angle taken, this is fun.
Show me where it states you cannot have harvesting boxes in the state law then. | |
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| US election observations on 12:47 - Nov 9 with 907 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 12:21 - Nov 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ohh another angle taken, this is fun.
Show me where it states you cannot have harvesting boxes in the state law then. |
WRONG. Election law lays out how the election is conducted if it is not specified it aint legal.
"California law strictly regulates the creation and use of ballot boxes and bars private citizens from establishing them. Moreover, the statute that allows third parties to collect ballots requires voters to formally “designate” the “person” who will return their ballot to election officials. This person must sign the ballot envelope and provide both their name and relationship to the voter." | |
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| US election observations on 12:53 - Nov 9 with 904 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 12:14 - Nov 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nothing wrong about what I said at all. Every single thing is factual and spot on.
Where as you seem to have changed your angle a few times because you keep getting it wrong and not understanding your own links and copy and paste jobs.
They were labelled incorrectly yes, an issue they remedied after they were told to. |
Your honour I repeatedly shot at the victim over 5 days but then I complied with the law so I've not done something illegal right?
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| US election observations on 12:55 - Nov 9 with 903 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 12:47 - Nov 9 by DJack |
WRONG. Election law lays out how the election is conducted if it is not specified it aint legal.
"California law strictly regulates the creation and use of ballot boxes and bars private citizens from establishing them. Moreover, the statute that allows third parties to collect ballots requires voters to formally “designate” the “person” who will return their ballot to election officials. This person must sign the ballot envelope and provide both their name and relationship to the voter." |
What do you mean “wrong”? I asked you a question
So again, can you show me the state law which shows you cannot collect someone’s ballot on their behalf? | |
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| US election observations on 12:58 - Nov 9 with 902 views | Lohengrin |
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| US election observations on 13:02 - Nov 9 with 897 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 12:53 - Nov 9 by DJack |
Your honour I repeatedly shot at the victim over 5 days but then I complied with the law so I've not done something illegal right?
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I didn’t say it wasn’t illegal. Show me where I said it wasn’t.
So is stealing a packet of gum.
I said it was a basic labelling issue. Which it was.
You on the other hand had zero clue why it contravened the balloting laws and changed your story several times.
Glad I could help. | |
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| US election observations on 13:06 - Nov 9 with 892 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 13:02 - Nov 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
I didn’t say it wasn’t illegal. Show me where I said it wasn’t.
So is stealing a packet of gum.
I said it was a basic labelling issue. Which it was.
You on the other hand had zero clue why it contravened the balloting laws and changed your story several times.
Glad I could help. |
"As to your question, we don’t know if the boxes were illegal, it’s not a cut and dry situation"
Awaits weasel words and tortuous arguments. | |
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| US election observations on 13:08 - Nov 9 with 889 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 13:06 - Nov 9 by DJack |
"As to your question, we don’t know if the boxes were illegal, it’s not a cut and dry situation"
Awaits weasel words and tortuous arguments. |
We don’t know if the boxes were illegal, it doesn’t appear so. We know the wording was but the boxes themselves don’t seem to contravene any law.
Which bit confused you. | |
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| US election observations on 13:16 - Nov 9 with 886 views | DJack |
| US election observations on 12:55 - Nov 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
What do you mean “wrong”? I asked you a question
So again, can you show me the state law which shows you cannot collect someone’s ballot on their behalf? |
Under Californian law you CAN collect someones ballot...in person and you are designated by the voter and you sign the ballot upon receipt from the voter. It is then accepted as a legitimate, unbroken, trackable, custody chain. Dropping a ballot of at an unsantioned ballot box is not and the government of California who've enacted the laws setting out the legal practices allowed have stated that it is illegal to harvest ballots in the manner that these were collected.
In this whole argument you've not come up with any law and I have and this has proven you incorrect.
Now in an attempt to weasel your way out you are asking me to provide law again. Do your own searching. | |
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| US election observations on 13:19 - Nov 9 with 882 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 13:16 - Nov 9 by DJack |
Under Californian law you CAN collect someones ballot...in person and you are designated by the voter and you sign the ballot upon receipt from the voter. It is then accepted as a legitimate, unbroken, trackable, custody chain. Dropping a ballot of at an unsantioned ballot box is not and the government of California who've enacted the laws setting out the legal practices allowed have stated that it is illegal to harvest ballots in the manner that these were collected.
In this whole argument you've not come up with any law and I have and this has proven you incorrect.
Now in an attempt to weasel your way out you are asking me to provide law again. Do your own searching. |
Wrong, no they haven’t. They have said the labelling on them is correct, we have no idea of what the practice was with the boxes. None. You are making it up to suit a narrative.
You had no idea what was illegal about them when you posted about it, and you still don’t now. I had to teach you that it was an issue with the labelling, of which you clearly didn’t have a clue.
Stop digging. | |
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| US election observations on 15:43 - Nov 9 with 862 views | SkipTheJack |
The election row has been a metaphor for Trump's entire presidency: ignore or deny all facts and evidence, and instead replace these things with an alternative version of reality that suits Trump more. He then keeps promoting his imaginary version of events over and over again, and will attack, insult and crush anyone who questions his fiction.
It's just gaslighting really, except gaslighting is usually subtle; Trump, in contrast, would call an elephant a hamster, and keep insisting it's a hamster even when it tramples his car.
I'm not sure if he's a liar or a fantasist, but it sure is great to see him given the boot and a decent man put in his place. |  | | |
| US election observations on 19:17 - Nov 9 with 833 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| US election observations on 15:43 - Nov 9 by SkipTheJack |
The election row has been a metaphor for Trump's entire presidency: ignore or deny all facts and evidence, and instead replace these things with an alternative version of reality that suits Trump more. He then keeps promoting his imaginary version of events over and over again, and will attack, insult and crush anyone who questions his fiction.
It's just gaslighting really, except gaslighting is usually subtle; Trump, in contrast, would call an elephant a hamster, and keep insisting it's a hamster even when it tramples his car.
I'm not sure if he's a liar or a fantasist, but it sure is great to see him given the boot and a decent man put in his place. |
I suggest that you do some actual research instead of just repeating mass media rubbish. |  | | |
| US election observations on 19:48 - Nov 9 with 812 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| US election observations on 15:43 - Nov 9 by SkipTheJack |
The election row has been a metaphor for Trump's entire presidency: ignore or deny all facts and evidence, and instead replace these things with an alternative version of reality that suits Trump more. He then keeps promoting his imaginary version of events over and over again, and will attack, insult and crush anyone who questions his fiction.
It's just gaslighting really, except gaslighting is usually subtle; Trump, in contrast, would call an elephant a hamster, and keep insisting it's a hamster even when it tramples his car.
I'm not sure if he's a liar or a fantasist, but it sure is great to see him given the boot and a decent man put in his place. |
As above says, sounds like media driven rubbish really, but happy to explore it all with you.
Let’s start with Biden being a decent man and work our way up.
Why do you believe a racist that their running mate believes is a sexual predator, is a decent man? | |
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| US election observations on 20:14 - Nov 9 with 795 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Personally I would prefer to explore russia, russia, russia and that nice Mr Mueller's illegal enquiry.
Then the illegal impeachment process. | | | |
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