| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough 10:29 - Apr 25 with 3302 views | KeithHaynes |
There has been a lot of talk about Woodman leaving Newcastle because of his desire to play first-team football, however he and his dad Andy have made it public knowledge that the 24-year old’s dream is to be the Magpies’ number one.
By Rob Lee, ex Newcastle, this is a quote from yesterday.
“At this moment he is not better than Dubravka and he’s also not better than Karl Darlow, but he is potentially very good. He’s not better than those two at the moment, so why would you make him your number one?” |  |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 18:39 - Apr 27 with 580 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 18:04 - Apr 27 by jack247 |
‘Watching Woodman when an attacker is running at him one on one has brought us some of the most hilarious moments I’ve ever experienced watching Swansea City’.
Does that pass for constructive criticism in your book? |
You've taken one sentence from my post which contained a further six sentences where I continued to discuss the same point.
It feels like I'm talking to Lisa. I'm sure I could cherry pick a few words from one of your posts and twist it to suit any agenda I wanted to pursue against you - alas I wont as I don't resort to randomly insulting other posters on this forum for simply expressing their views regarding the football club we both support. |  |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 18:46 - Apr 27 with 574 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 18:39 - Apr 27 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
You've taken one sentence from my post which contained a further six sentences where I continued to discuss the same point.
It feels like I'm talking to Lisa. I'm sure I could cherry pick a few words from one of your posts and twist it to suit any agenda I wanted to pursue against you - alas I wont as I don't resort to randomly insulting other posters on this forum for simply expressing their views regarding the football club we both support. |
Yes you will. You implied that I hadn’t had a proper education because I quite correctly stated you slag off our players. Top marks on the passive aggression.
I’m not going to rise to that, I was just providing and example of you slagging one of our players, same thread as it goes. |  | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 19:48 - Apr 27 with 532 views | onehunglow |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 18:46 - Apr 27 by jack247 |
Yes you will. You implied that I hadn’t had a proper education because I quite correctly stated you slag off our players. Top marks on the passive aggression.
I’m not going to rise to that, I was just providing and example of you slagging one of our players, same thread as it goes. |
What is slagging off exactly?
Explain in less than 100 words.
Dwight is the least offensive poster on here.Far less so than you and infinately less than me.
Woodman is garbage and anyone with any perspective can see it.
Constructive criticism? Just how and mighty an arrogant slant is that.
We are fans and fans are not and dont have to be constructive. The manager constructs and often destructs as this clown is doing. If fans do not slag off ,as you say,then you have a soulless ,anodyne pile of crap.Not for me | |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 19:57 - Apr 27 with 536 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 19:48 - Apr 27 by onehunglow |
What is slagging off exactly?
Explain in less than 100 words.
Dwight is the least offensive poster on here.Far less so than you and infinately less than me.
Woodman is garbage and anyone with any perspective can see it.
Constructive criticism? Just how and mighty an arrogant slant is that.
We are fans and fans are not and dont have to be constructive. The manager constructs and often destructs as this clown is doing. If fans do not slag off ,as you say,then you have a soulless ,anodyne pile of crap.Not for me |
Sorry. I misquoted Dwight.
He claimed he was ‘criticising (them) objectively’, he didn’t say ‘constructive criticism’. It’s up to you if you think he is taking a mighty and arrogant stance by criticising objectively. I wouldn’t, if that’s what I thought he was doing. | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 20:02 - Apr 27 with 524 views | onehunglow |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 19:57 - Apr 27 by jack247 |
Sorry. I misquoted Dwight.
He claimed he was ‘criticising (them) objectively’, he didn’t say ‘constructive criticism’. It’s up to you if you think he is taking a mighty and arrogant stance by criticising objectively. I wouldn’t, if that’s what I thought he was doing. |
He isnt arrogant.No way.I dont agree with him on some things but he can teach most of us what decent posting is about.Much of what we post is,lets face it,personal,bitchy,and wrapped up in old agenda because years ago,some of us saw our backsides .I got seriously angry over my views on Kevin Spacey-the ACTOR and being accused of supporting paedophiles because I questioned historical allegations of sexual asaults.I still do. QUESTIONED.
This is what perpetuates and leaks into many of our posts.
It used to be Gower,De Vries ,Vorm;now it's Woodman
At the end of the day,it's just a farking football forum | |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 20:11 - Apr 27 with 532 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 20:02 - Apr 27 by onehunglow |
He isnt arrogant.No way.I dont agree with him on some things but he can teach most of us what decent posting is about.Much of what we post is,lets face it,personal,bitchy,and wrapped up in old agenda because years ago,some of us saw our backsides .I got seriously angry over my views on Kevin Spacey-the ACTOR and being accused of supporting paedophiles because I questioned historical allegations of sexual asaults.I still do. QUESTIONED.
This is what perpetuates and leaks into many of our posts.
It used to be Gower,De Vries ,Vorm;now it's Woodman
At the end of the day,it's just a farking football forum |
Yet you thought it was arrogant when you thought I’d posted it? | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 21:13 - Apr 27 with 512 views | jasper_T |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 20:11 - Apr 27 by jack247 |
Yet you thought it was arrogant when you thought I’d posted it? |
You did post it. | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 21:32 - Apr 27 with 504 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 21:13 - Apr 27 by jasper_T |
You did post it. |
Quoting Dwight.
But granted, I said constructive instead of objective.
As it happens, I don’t think constructive or objective criticism is arrogant or mighty at all. Only a lunatic would. I just don’t agree that’s what Dwight does. | | | |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 21:52 - Apr 27 with 501 views | jasper_T |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 21:32 - Apr 27 by jack247 |
Quoting Dwight.
But granted, I said constructive instead of objective.
As it happens, I don’t think constructive or objective criticism is arrogant or mighty at all. Only a lunatic would. I just don’t agree that’s what Dwight does. |
We're fans on a fans message board, not teachers/coaches. We're well within our rights to criticise without offering solutions. Argue with someone if they're wrong, but tone policing people for not being "constructive" comes across as a bit arrogant, yeah. | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 06:53 - Apr 28 with 461 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 21:52 - Apr 27 by jasper_T |
We're fans on a fans message board, not teachers/coaches. We're well within our rights to criticise without offering solutions. Argue with someone if they're wrong, but tone policing people for not being "constructive" comes across as a bit arrogant, yeah. |
No one has done that.
I’ve stated that Dwight slags off our players. He has responded saying he doesn’t, he criticises objectively.
OHL has misread it, decided the term ‘constructive criticism’ is arrogant if I say it, but not if Dwight does.
Not much else to see here. | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 12:00 - Apr 28 with 433 views | jasper_T |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 06:53 - Apr 28 by jack247 |
No one has done that.
I’ve stated that Dwight slags off our players. He has responded saying he doesn’t, he criticises objectively.
OHL has misread it, decided the term ‘constructive criticism’ is arrogant if I say it, but not if Dwight does.
Not much else to see here. |
There's no double standard here, you're the person who brought "constructive criticism" into the discussion and were called arrogant for it. Are you expecting people to call Dwight arrogant for something you incorrectly claimed he said? | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 12:38 - Apr 28 with 415 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 12:00 - Apr 28 by jasper_T |
There's no double standard here, you're the person who brought "constructive criticism" into the discussion and were called arrogant for it. Are you expecting people to call Dwight arrogant for something you incorrectly claimed he said? |
As I’ve already explained, my opinion is that Dwight routinely slates our players, his is that he criticises them objectively. When quoting him, I used the word constructive instead of objective. Putting pedantry to one side, you know there is minimal difference.
As I’ve also already explained, only a lunatic would find constructive/objective criticism arrogant.
I’ll admit, I found it a little puzzling when OHL found it arrogant when thought I had brought it up, but changed his mind when I explained Dwight had, | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 12:50 - Apr 28 with 409 views | onehunglow |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 12:38 - Apr 28 by jack247 |
As I’ve already explained, my opinion is that Dwight routinely slates our players, his is that he criticises them objectively. When quoting him, I used the word constructive instead of objective. Putting pedantry to one side, you know there is minimal difference.
As I’ve also already explained, only a lunatic would find constructive/objective criticism arrogant.
I’ll admit, I found it a little puzzling when OHL found it arrogant when thought I had brought it up, but changed his mind when I explained Dwight had, |
You know nothing as to what is in my mind 247.I don't myself.You are kidding yourelf ,butt,truly you are.Just take me at face value and reply to my posts.Look no further than that.
I wish no ill on anyone on here right now.Sure ,some make me squirm but that's down to me.
Now then,I asked a question,which you failed to answer.
What exactly is "slagging off". In less than 100 words.On my desk in the morning. | |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 13:24 - Apr 28 with 403 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 12:50 - Apr 28 by onehunglow |
You know nothing as to what is in my mind 247.I don't myself.You are kidding yourelf ,butt,truly you are.Just take me at face value and reply to my posts.Look no further than that.
I wish no ill on anyone on here right now.Sure ,some make me squirm but that's down to me.
Now then,I asked a question,which you failed to answer.
What exactly is "slagging off". In less than 100 words.On my desk in the morning. |
In this context, it is looking for weaknesses in players (which every one of our players has) and highlighting them repeatedly whilst deliberately ignoring anything they do well. It’s fairly obvious that Dwight knows what he is talking about and articulates it well. A bit of praise (only when merited) alongside the barrage of criticism and ridicule and he’d be a great poster. Unfortunately, he won’t do that (Andy Cole might) because he gets a kick out of being negative. Finding Woodmans mistakes hilarious is a good example.
While we’re on the subject of unanswered questions, who was the last Swansea keeper you rated? | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 13:36 - Apr 28 with 397 views | onehunglow |
Thanks for the reply.
That is NOT slagging off as I see it.Not remotely. It's me though.
Last players I rated HIGHLY
How about this
Cliff Jones
Ivor
Nurse
Mel Charles
Derek Draper
Geoff Thomas
Johnny King(our own flying pig)
Tosh
Robbie
Curt
Leighton
Ante
Jimmy
Molby
Mike Hughes (shockingly short career,a keeper with real balls)
Martinez
Bony
Gylfi (the best ever)
Ash
Ayew.
Now ..how about those you do NOT rate | |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 13:53 - Apr 28 with 397 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 13:36 - Apr 28 by onehunglow |
Thanks for the reply.
That is NOT slagging off as I see it.Not remotely. It's me though.
Last players I rated HIGHLY
How about this
Cliff Jones
Ivor
Nurse
Mel Charles
Derek Draper
Geoff Thomas
Johnny King(our own flying pig)
Tosh
Robbie
Curt
Leighton
Ante
Jimmy
Molby
Mike Hughes (shockingly short career,a keeper with real balls)
Martinez
Bony
Gylfi (the best ever)
Ash
Ayew.
Now ..how about those you do NOT rate |
That’s your prerogative. In my view, seeking out negatives and purposely ignoring positives forms a deliberately negative misrepresentation. You don’t have to swear or use names like Rotledge to slag players off. Finding our own players mistakes hilarious speaks for itself.
That wasn’t the question I asked. Seeing as you don’t rate Woodman and didn’t rate Fabianski or Vorm (can’t remember if you also included DeVries), I asked which Swansea goalkeeper you last rated.
I didn’t use the word HIGHLY and can’t see why you would provide a list of outfield players unless you were trying to avoid the question? | | | |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 13:58 - Apr 28 with 391 views | onehunglow |
My apologie.
I missed the keeper bit
However,I did mention Johnny Kong as he was the first I remember
I was at Anfield in 64 for THAT cup game so Noel Dwyer has a place in my heart
Jimmer Rimmer was good although obviously past his best
Dave Stewart was commanding.
Dai was "entertaining"
Fabianski was very very good although he could be flaky sometimes
There we are.
A decent exchange though and that is my perogative too
Now enjoy the afternoon ubugger | |
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| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 14:51 - Apr 28 with 382 views | jack247 |
| Freddie Woodman isn’t good enough on 13:58 - Apr 28 by onehunglow |
My apologie.
I missed the keeper bit
However,I did mention Johnny Kong as he was the first I remember
I was at Anfield in 64 for THAT cup game so Noel Dwyer has a place in my heart
Jimmer Rimmer was good although obviously past his best
Dave Stewart was commanding.
Dai was "entertaining"
Fabianski was very very good although he could be flaky sometimes
There we are.
A decent exchange though and that is my perogative too
Now enjoy the afternoon ubugger |
Thank you.
Kind of puts the downer on Woodman into perspective I suppose.
To answer your question
Conor Hourihane (talent but no heart)
Jordi Lopez
Cedric van der Gunn
Borja Baston
Ki (see Conor Hourihane)
Jefferson Montero (as a starter, I accept he could be a game changer off the bench in the Championship)
Mo Barrow
Chico (not that I didn’t rate him per se but I did think he was overrated)
David N’Gog
Josh McEchran
Kristoffer Nordfeldt
Erwin Mulder
Sam Clucas
Darren Way
Renato Sanches (was excited when we signed him).
There are probably loads more that will come to me. They are less memorable than players who do well. | | | |
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