| Swiss Ramble 07:17 - May 10 with 9830 views | Dr_Winston |
The best Twitter football financial expert gives his analysis on our last financial performance figures. For some reason there's no mention of the tens of millions taken out out of the club by the owners. Can't imagine why.
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:12 - May 11 with 1130 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 20:58 - May 11 by Chief |
Calm down and stick to Arriola and Morris now, those other things are separate things. Don't get all ratty now because the sweeping statements you've made have been interrogated and exposed.
"Arriola's chances were limited in the early stages of his Swansea career as he worked his way up to full fitness."
Wales online. And the facts back that up.
What attitude are you on about from when they came in!?
Morris gave a heartfelt statement when he left thanking everyone at the club. Cooper similarly said he was disappointed as he felt Morris was just getting up to speed. Which I think was quite evident too.
Shortsighted? In what sense!? Arriola got injured after 7 games, there's no long game to consider.
Yes interesting indeed. Cooper picked the team around that period that got us the points to keep us in touch with the top 2. Even while trying to get un match fit players on the mls off season up to speed. Pretty impressive in fairness.
And you'll keep making your points - what are they? That Arriola should have played an extra 20 minutes during his time here!? [Post edited 11 May 2021 21:00]
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Read my posts from when Ariolla signed. They aren’t “sweeping statements” when I’ve said them from day dot and what I said materialised.
The “heartfelt statement” which didn’t mention his manager once? I agree it was evident, it was evident from first time he played for us he was a good player. Not convinced he would hand got anything other than the odd half hour when chasing a goal though. That’s up for debate.
Copper picked the team adorns that period and we suffered badly in the long term, something again which was clear would happen. For me we are very lucky the international break came when it did or play offs could have been off the table. |  | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:24 - May 11 with 1114 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:12 - May 11 by 34dfgdf54 |
Read my posts from when Ariolla signed. They aren’t “sweeping statements” when I’ve said them from day dot and what I said materialised.
The “heartfelt statement” which didn’t mention his manager once? I agree it was evident, it was evident from first time he played for us he was a good player. Not convinced he would hand got anything other than the odd half hour when chasing a goal though. That’s up for debate.
Copper picked the team adorns that period and we suffered badly in the long term, something again which was clear would happen. For me we are very lucky the international break came when it did or play offs could have been off the table. |
Well yes "Arriola should have played much more" which when we actually dig into it you're gripe amounts to just an additional 20 mins essentially. So yes sweeping statement that didn't take into the reality of the games that occurred nor the players personal fitness situation.
Haha come on how desperate are you to ostericize Cooper? The guy said thank you to everyone at the club in a nice statement. There's literally no scandal, only invented in your head.
We didn't suffer in the long term due the amount of minutes Arriola and Morris didn't get in their short time at the club though did we? Realistically how much difference would giving them a few extra minutes here and there have made!? Nothing!
They got injured and had to go home mun. Come on you know this.
Different story if they hadn't got injured and they'd had more time to settle in and get up to speed, but that was impossible. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 23:00 - May 11 with 1077 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:24 - May 11 by Chief |
Well yes "Arriola should have played much more" which when we actually dig into it you're gripe amounts to just an additional 20 mins essentially. So yes sweeping statement that didn't take into the reality of the games that occurred nor the players personal fitness situation.
Haha come on how desperate are you to ostericize Cooper? The guy said thank you to everyone at the club in a nice statement. There's literally no scandal, only invented in your head.
We didn't suffer in the long term due the amount of minutes Arriola and Morris didn't get in their short time at the club though did we? Realistically how much difference would giving them a few extra minutes here and there have made!? Nothing!
They got injured and had to go home mun. Come on you know this.
Different story if they hadn't got injured and they'd had more time to settle in and get up to speed, but that was impossible. |
My main concern is the possibility of a breakdown of trust within the camp. Particularly between the recruitment team and manager.
If Arriola was left out because he was unfit or not good enough then there is no issue. If Arriola was left out because the manager was making a point and was not prepared to accept the player then there is a problem. This will be accpeted when results are good but will not be accepted when the result are poor.
There is the saying "managers have to manage up to the board and down to the players".
Then there is the Peterson issue. In this case the player was exasperated at not playing and demanded a move putting the Chairman in a bad place. The Chairman dug Cooper out of a hole and sold the player while the window was open and took the heat that followed. Cooper could have had a bad situation to manage with a player on strike. Cooper made his unhappiness known.
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| Swiss Ramble on 23:18 - May 11 with 1076 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 23:00 - May 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
My main concern is the possibility of a breakdown of trust within the camp. Particularly between the recruitment team and manager.
If Arriola was left out because he was unfit or not good enough then there is no issue. If Arriola was left out because the manager was making a point and was not prepared to accept the player then there is a problem. This will be accpeted when results are good but will not be accepted when the result are poor.
There is the saying "managers have to manage up to the board and down to the players".
Then there is the Peterson issue. In this case the player was exasperated at not playing and demanded a move putting the Chairman in a bad place. The Chairman dug Cooper out of a hole and sold the player while the window was open and took the heat that followed. Cooper could have had a bad situation to manage with a player on strike. Cooper made his unhappiness known.
"Why only 5 subs Steve?" "No Comment Mitch" |
It wasn't really a recruitment team signing was it though? Hes a guy who plays for a team that our owners also own who was in his off season, needed minutes& is a USA international to improve the 'brand' & USA exposure. I'd be amazed if any scouting occurred at all. We did already have players in the positions he plays. High profile, costly ones.
Well the logic suggests he was left out for fitness and inability to break into the side on form, who'd just brought in Connor Hourihane in a position where this guy is meant to play. Cooper's team picks won 5 out of the 7 games this guy was here for so there's no justification for him taking anyone's place, and no justification for anyone to suggest his inability to get into the starting 11 at that time is anything other than on merit. Results were good, so it should be accepted.
Peterson similar. Cooper knew the player, but obviously didn't live up to his expectations. If he's not good enough to get in the side, he should knuckle down and stop moaning. That obviously doesn't mean you sell him on a Matchday with no consultation with the manager or even the courtesy of a phonecall either though. That was just preposterous. There's ways to go about things. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 23:30 - May 11 with 1068 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 23:18 - May 11 by Chief |
It wasn't really a recruitment team signing was it though? Hes a guy who plays for a team that our owners also own who was in his off season, needed minutes& is a USA international to improve the 'brand' & USA exposure. I'd be amazed if any scouting occurred at all. We did already have players in the positions he plays. High profile, costly ones.
Well the logic suggests he was left out for fitness and inability to break into the side on form, who'd just brought in Connor Hourihane in a position where this guy is meant to play. Cooper's team picks won 5 out of the 7 games this guy was here for so there's no justification for him taking anyone's place, and no justification for anyone to suggest his inability to get into the starting 11 at that time is anything other than on merit. Results were good, so it should be accepted.
Peterson similar. Cooper knew the player, but obviously didn't live up to his expectations. If he's not good enough to get in the side, he should knuckle down and stop moaning. That obviously doesn't mean you sell him on a Matchday with no consultation with the manager or even the courtesy of a phonecall either though. That was just preposterous. There's ways to go about things. |
Winter did the right thing. For me that was nice clean management with a clean break. The player was clearly not in the managers plans and the manager was not suitable for the player. The coach was allowed to get on with coaching the team and not getting diverted from the 3 points with a player unsettling every body else. There was the £1m or so also contributing to last years £2.7m profit.
Perhaps Jason will lob £50K toward the SCST as a dividend as long as the promise not to give it away. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 23:34 - May 11 with 1067 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 23:30 - May 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Winter did the right thing. For me that was nice clean management with a clean break. The player was clearly not in the managers plans and the manager was not suitable for the player. The coach was allowed to get on with coaching the team and not getting diverted from the 3 points with a player unsettling every body else. There was the £1m or so also contributing to last years £2.7m profit.
Perhaps Jason will lob £50K toward the SCST as a dividend as long as the promise not to give it away. |
Madness.
You genuinely think it's ok for the chief executive to sell a player who was in the match day squad, on the day of a game and inform the manager by text?
You genuinely think that's how it should have been handled? | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 23:46 - May 11 with 1059 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 23:34 - May 11 by Chief |
Madness.
You genuinely think it's ok for the chief executive to sell a player who was in the match day squad, on the day of a game and inform the manager by text?
You genuinely think that's how it should have been handled? |
The player I suspect had already told Winter he was leaving the club and wanted to go immediately. Winter was in a spot. The window was closing and he potentially would have given Cooper a player who was on strike. ( for 6 months like Narsingh effectivley was) A deal was made by the players agent.
The player would have told Winter. "I have played my last game for Cooper". He may have also refered to family or personal issues perhaps?. He may have been less than complimentary about Cooper. Winter solved the problem for the club using his judgement. He notified the coach. Involving Cooper at that stage would only have complicated things in my judgement. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 00:01 - May 12 with 1057 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 23:46 - May 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The player I suspect had already told Winter he was leaving the club and wanted to go immediately. Winter was in a spot. The window was closing and he potentially would have given Cooper a player who was on strike. ( for 6 months like Narsingh effectivley was) A deal was made by the players agent.
The player would have told Winter. "I have played my last game for Cooper". He may have also refered to family or personal issues perhaps?. He may have been less than complimentary about Cooper. Winter solved the problem for the club using his judgement. He notified the coach. Involving Cooper at that stage would only have complicated things in my judgement. |
Its not up to the player to tell us he's leaving if hes under contract. They have to request to leave.
But yes no doubt he wanted to go but that wasn't my point it was still handled dreadfully.
No meeting with the player to discuss the issue, no meeting with the recruitment team to discuss potential replacements should he be allowed to leave, bo discussions with the board regarding funds for a replacement.
No that's far to sensible.
"oh by the way Steve, you better find another substitute for today"
Bonkers way to conduct business. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 00:05 - May 12 with 1055 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:46 - May 11 by Dr_Winston |
Are people seriously still trying to claim that Arriola didn't feature for reasons other than Cooper's pique? |
Seems you fully understood it at the time. “Bulk up the squad”, “not many starts”... what’s changed? |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 00:07 - May 12 with 1054 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:27 - May 11 by 34dfgdf54 |
Disagree. He was here to play attacking midfield, and cover RWB if needed. |
Based on what?
I doubt you knew him before he came here let alone the reasons he was here. You have just made that up.
He has played most of his career as a winger and seems to be known for his poor passing and poor technical ability, but runs for miles.
...And you want him in the centre of a championship midfield?!... | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 00:19 - May 12 with 1040 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 00:01 - May 12 by Chief |
Its not up to the player to tell us he's leaving if hes under contract. They have to request to leave.
But yes no doubt he wanted to go but that wasn't my point it was still handled dreadfully.
No meeting with the player to discuss the issue, no meeting with the recruitment team to discuss potential replacements should he be allowed to leave, bo discussions with the board regarding funds for a replacement.
No that's far to sensible.
"oh by the way Steve, you better find another substitute for today"
Bonkers way to conduct business. |
It was the 5th of October. The last day of the window. To be blunt it is not the day for niceities. The agent was playing merry hell perhaps to get his player out of there. He should have done it earlier of course.
In the first month of the season Cooper had only given him 18 minuites. The season before he had played him only 7 times. Cooper does not pick wingers. If it was Arriola sent back you would have been happy. "The 17 minuite club" .
I put it to you the Arriola was at least as good as Peterson. Probably better. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 01:07 - May 12 with 1030 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 00:19 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It was the 5th of October. The last day of the window. To be blunt it is not the day for niceities. The agent was playing merry hell perhaps to get his player out of there. He should have done it earlier of course.
In the first month of the season Cooper had only given him 18 minuites. The season before he had played him only 7 times. Cooper does not pick wingers. If it was Arriola sent back you would have been happy. "The 17 minuite club" .
I put it to you the Arriola was at least as good as Peterson. Probably better. |
Yup the agent should have, and as a result the club shouldn't have pandered to their will.
Well not that you've got any evidence of that, nor do i care really, but Cooper didn't think Peterson was good enough (with justification from what we saw) for a regular starting place, so why the need for theorise some conspiracy for Arriola? Especially off the back of his injurys and inactivity.
Yea of course, Winter didn't have time to pop to tell Cooper in person, or Skype him, or even ring him. No it had to be that warmest of communication mediums... A bloody text message. Ridiculous. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 06:30 - May 12 with 1009 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 00:07 - May 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Based on what?
I doubt you knew him before he came here let alone the reasons he was here. You have just made that up.
He has played most of his career as a winger and seems to be known for his poor passing and poor technical ability, but runs for miles.
...And you want him in the centre of a championship midfield?!... |
Based on him coming on against Bristol City, while losing, to play AM. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 06:41 - May 12 with 1003 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 06:30 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Based on him coming on against Bristol City, while losing, to play AM. |
So not based on anything much then, he touched the ball 3 times in that game. We were chasing the game late, so they shoved him in an attacking position. We then went on to lose by more.
To suggest he came here to play there is a wild jump considering his limited attributes for that position. Seems like you have added 2+2 and come up with 600. [Post edited 12 May 2021 6:44]
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| Swiss Ramble on 08:27 - May 12 with 968 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 08:01 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
He's a versatile player, and can play attacking midfield, as his scouting report showed in my post above, Cooper also used him as AM against Bristol City. Yes we did go onto lose the game by more, but we won the game against Forest.
You are right though about just chucking people on in attacking positions, he does seem to do that when we go a goal or two down with zero structure.
Your last sentence, is that the algorithm for "So it's Bournemouth"  |
There is a difference between ''can play'' there and it being his position, we have been through that before.
To say he was brought in with the purpose to play in central midfield, just because he can (at a push) play there - is disingenuous designed to create a situation where you can bash the manager (again).
He is not a central midfielder by trade, so to be comparing him to Dhanda is odd. Especially when MLS fans clearly state his weak points are indeed technical ability and passing, pre-requisites for the position.
The algorithms that create these markets.. you have been told not just by me, but others that understand it, was and always will be spot on - whether you wish that to be the case or not for whatever end you are currently trying to service, is completely irrelevant. [Post edited 12 May 2021 8:30]
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| Swiss Ramble on 10:54 - May 12 with 943 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 08:27 - May 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is a difference between ''can play'' there and it being his position, we have been through that before.
To say he was brought in with the purpose to play in central midfield, just because he can (at a push) play there - is disingenuous designed to create a situation where you can bash the manager (again).
He is not a central midfielder by trade, so to be comparing him to Dhanda is odd. Especially when MLS fans clearly state his weak points are indeed technical ability and passing, pre-requisites for the position.
The algorithms that create these markets.. you have been told not just by me, but others that understand it, was and always will be spot on - whether you wish that to be the case or not for whatever end you are currently trying to service, is completely irrelevant. [Post edited 12 May 2021 8:30]
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Well according to the MLS official profile for him, that's where he plays, AM. Cooper also brought him on at AM against Bristol, and possibly Man City too? You disagree with Cooper alot about these type things by the looks, Naughton etc. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 10:59 - May 12 with 935 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 10:54 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Well according to the MLS official profile for him, that's where he plays, AM. Cooper also brought him on at AM against Bristol, and possibly Man City too? You disagree with Cooper alot about these type things by the looks, Naughton etc. |
>>>>>Loaned to Swansea City on Feb. 1, 2021. D.C. have the option to recall Arriola before the Primary MLS transfer window closes on May 4, 2021
Arriola is a two-way winger who showcased his versatility in his first full season with D.C. United. He had six goals and two assists in his primary attacking role, but also filled in well at right back and the No. 10 when needed. Suffered a torn ACL in the 2020 preseason, but came back ahead of schedule to step on the field for Decision Day.<<<<<<<
Two way winger. Can fill in at right back and number 10. That’s from the MLS website.
I don’t think there is any valid evidence to say he was worthy of more minutes, especially in CM. Cooper agrees. [Post edited 12 May 2021 11:00]
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| Swiss Ramble on 11:56 - May 12 with 915 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 10:59 - May 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
>>>>>Loaned to Swansea City on Feb. 1, 2021. D.C. have the option to recall Arriola before the Primary MLS transfer window closes on May 4, 2021
Arriola is a two-way winger who showcased his versatility in his first full season with D.C. United. He had six goals and two assists in his primary attacking role, but also filled in well at right back and the No. 10 when needed. Suffered a torn ACL in the 2020 preseason, but came back ahead of schedule to step on the field for Decision Day.<<<<<<<
Two way winger. Can fill in at right back and number 10. That’s from the MLS website.
I don’t think there is any valid evidence to say he was worthy of more minutes, especially in CM. Cooper agrees. [Post edited 12 May 2021 11:00]
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https://www.mlssoccer.com/play
Bottom sentence, I disagree. Easier to leave it at that. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 12:01 - May 12 with 911 views | Dr_Parnassus |
That’s the exact page I quoted from. Two way winger, can fill in at right back or at 10 in required. He’s a winger, as showed by the fact it’s exactly where he plays.
You disagree, that’s fine. But I was trying to get at what it’s based on considering MLS fans on the other board were saying how technically poor he is and how bad at passing he is. Seems odd to want to play a winger with those attributes in central midfield for any prolonged period of time considering you presumably haven’t seen very much of him.
If it’s based on something solid, I may even change my mind. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 13:04 - May 12 with 896 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 01:07 - May 12 by Chief |
Yup the agent should have, and as a result the club shouldn't have pandered to their will.
Well not that you've got any evidence of that, nor do i care really, but Cooper didn't think Peterson was good enough (with justification from what we saw) for a regular starting place, so why the need for theorise some conspiracy for Arriola? Especially off the back of his injurys and inactivity.
Yea of course, Winter didn't have time to pop to tell Cooper in person, or Skype him, or even ring him. No it had to be that warmest of communication mediums... A bloody text message. Ridiculous. |
Winter is in charge like it or not. There was a decision to be made and he made it. This is good decsive management. Fans like to play these cards for their narratives. The best one was "sacking Guidolin on his birthday".
Was was he supposed to say to Cooper? Apologise? No sir. There is a hierachy. The objective was to get the player out of the club where he was no longer a viable player and get the cash in. Text to Cooper. "we will chat about this later. Get on with the team for the big game." | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 13:26 - May 12 with 887 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 13:04 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Winter is in charge like it or not. There was a decision to be made and he made it. This is good decsive management. Fans like to play these cards for their narratives. The best one was "sacking Guidolin on his birthday".
Was was he supposed to say to Cooper? Apologise? No sir. There is a hierachy. The objective was to get the player out of the club where he was no longer a viable player and get the cash in. Text to Cooper. "we will chat about this later. Get on with the team for the big game." |
No ones disputing what the hierarchy is. But it helps performance and morale if things go up&down that hierarchy. There's no narrative, just a discussion and interpretation of the facts of this event which are undeniably poor.
Maybe like asking Cooper's thoughts on the situation. Maybe just explain why he was making this decision. Maybe discuss what happens next.
Come on, i know you'll back anyone remotely associated to the Americans to the hilt but Winter was obviously wrong on this. It was a poor way to act, not neccessarily the sale which was questionable, but how it was done. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 13:33 - May 12 with 881 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 01:07 - May 12 by Chief |
Yup the agent should have, and as a result the club shouldn't have pandered to their will.
Well not that you've got any evidence of that, nor do i care really, but Cooper didn't think Peterson was good enough (with justification from what we saw) for a regular starting place, so why the need for theorise some conspiracy for Arriola? Especially off the back of his injurys and inactivity.
Yea of course, Winter didn't have time to pop to tell Cooper in person, or Skype him, or even ring him. No it had to be that warmest of communication mediums... A bloody text message. Ridiculous. |
Why on earth would Peterson have wanted to have stayed here under Cooper? Cooper spent half a million on bringing him here and had no interest in using him.
What are the club meant to do? They have an offer to make their money back for a player whose value in only going on way, and they took it, and got a player who most likely had no interest in being here off the books.
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"I didn't want to lose anybody, I said that last week," he said.
"We're going into the busiest Championship schedule ever.
"It's a busy schedule anyway, the Championship, but this year and because of the demands on the season, it's a game every three days. It's going to be like the Christmas period for a while.
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| Swiss Ramble on 13:58 - May 12 with 868 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 13:33 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Why on earth would Peterson have wanted to have stayed here under Cooper? Cooper spent half a million on bringing him here and had no interest in using him.
What are the club meant to do? They have an offer to make their money back for a player whose value in only going on way, and they took it, and got a player who most likely had no interest in being here off the books.
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"I didn't want to lose anybody, I said that last week," he said.
"We're going into the busiest Championship schedule ever.
"It's a busy schedule anyway, the Championship, but this year and because of the demands on the season, it's a game every three days. It's going to be like the Christmas period for a while.
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I don't think ever questioned why Peterson would want to stay. But when you have a contract, you can't just walk out when you feel like it.
Read up there's plenty of ways this could have been done differently rather than a pathetic text message. Better communication isn't difficult. The sale itself wasn't ideal either but i have a degree of understanding for it.
Its laughable that a manager doesn't want to lose any squad members before a busy period!? You need to get a grip on this Cooper vendetta. Criticising him for wanting players in his squad now. Like any other manager ever. It's bizarre. | |
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