| Swiss Ramble 07:17 - May 10 with 9714 views | Dr_Winston |
The best Twitter football financial expert gives his analysis on our last financial performance figures. For some reason there's no mention of the tens of millions taken out out of the club by the owners. Can't imagine why.
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:19 - May 12 with 1127 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 19:27 - May 12 by Chief |
That interview by Declan John will put off prospective chairmen off no doubt.
Bigger picture than success on the pitch apparently
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We’ll see won’t we?
Let’s have a look who comes in for Cooper |  | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:20 - May 12 with 1115 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 19:27 - May 12 by Chief |
That interview by Declan John will put off prospective chairmen off no doubt.
Bigger picture than success on the pitch apparently
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Bigger picture yes...
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:26 - May 12 with 1099 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:19 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
We’ll see won’t we?
Let’s have a look who comes in for Cooper |
If he makes himself available, most of the teams in the championship and maybe a few in the premier league. They only see results. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:26 - May 12 with 1098 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:20 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Bigger picture yes...
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Amazing how few people grasp it and how many wilfully struggle against.
"managers who focused very much on team shape, how not to get broken down, defensively solid, and basically play to survive".
This is Cooper down to his DNA. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:29 - May 12 with 1091 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:26 - May 12 by KeithHaynes |
If he makes himself available, most of the teams in the championship and maybe a few in the premier league. They only see results. |
Proof will be in pudding Keith. He’s made himself available don’t you worry about that he didn’t even deny the Derby rumour ffs
We’ll see. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:30 - May 12 with 1087 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:20 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Bigger picture yes...
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That's an indictment on the owners though, not the manager tasked with achieving results. That's who Rangel is ultimately talking about there, the whole club ethos from the top, not the current incumbent of the manager's position.
And I'm pretty sure the only pictures our owners are seeing is a plus on the balance sheet and the club positioned in the play offs for the 2nd year running.
If you don't like that, i suggest you take it up for them for not getting rid of such 'anti football' merchant such like Cooper. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:32 - May 12 with 1086 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:26 - May 12 by Dr_Winston |
Amazing how few people grasp it and how many wilfully struggle against.
"managers who focused very much on team shape, how not to get broken down, defensively solid, and basically play to survive".
This is Cooper down to his DNA. |
There’s not much hope when the poster on this post is the same one who started a thread a few months back regarding our owners sending money to DC United.  | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:33 - May 12 with 1078 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:30 - May 12 by Chief |
That's an indictment on the owners though, not the manager tasked with achieving results. That's who Rangel is ultimately talking about there, the whole club ethos from the top, not the current incumbent of the manager's position.
And I'm pretty sure the only pictures our owners are seeing is a plus on the balance sheet and the club positioned in the play offs for the 2nd year running.
If you don't like that, i suggest you take it up for them for not getting rid of such 'anti football' merchant such like Cooper. |
Same owners who were moving money to DC United? | | | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:34 - May 12 with 1064 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:33 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Same owners who were moving money to DC United? |
Were they? Didn't see that reported anywhere. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:37 - May 12 with 1053 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:34 - May 12 by Chief |
Were they? Didn't see that reported anywhere. |
Money being moved around? by Chief 13 Jan 2021 9:40Poster seems to think 5million has been sent over to America from the football club:
https://twitter.com/chrisrue3/status/1349287361524473857?s=19
Anyone make any sense of it?
You did. You saw it from random fan on twitter. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:42 - May 12 with 1040 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:37 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Money being moved around? by Chief 13 Jan 2021 9:40Poster seems to think 5million has been sent over to America from the football club:
https://twitter.com/chrisrue3/status/1349287361524473857?s=19
Anyone make any sense of it?
You did. You saw it from random fan on twitter. |
I wouldn't class that as 'reported' would you.
The guy on twitter got the wrong end of the stick and what it entailed was clarified. Notice carefully that i personally didn't jump to any conclusions, but this is what a forum is for and its good that people like that guy are looking at these things. No harm in being vigilant. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 21:44 - May 12 with 1031 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:42 - May 12 by Chief |
I wouldn't class that as 'reported' would you.
The guy on twitter got the wrong end of the stick and what it entailed was clarified. Notice carefully that i personally didn't jump to any conclusions, but this is what a forum is for and its good that people like that guy are looking at these things. No harm in being vigilant. |
You must think I rocked up in a banana boat. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:46 - May 12 with 1021 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:44 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
You must think I rocked up in a banana boat. |
Its there in writing. I didn't accuse them of anything  | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 22:32 - May 12 with 992 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:42 - May 12 by Chief |
I wouldn't class that as 'reported' would you.
The guy on twitter got the wrong end of the stick and what it entailed was clarified. Notice carefully that i personally didn't jump to any conclusions, but this is what a forum is for and its good that people like that guy are looking at these things. No harm in being vigilant. |
You are not vigilent on financial matter relating to the Supporters group to which you are a mamber. Things like the likely costs of legal and other fees in the event of winning and losing in the long awaited legal case.
You have admitted you have no idea whether they can invest in property bonds and shares. They can however "raise money by any legal means" which should allow it by my judgement. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 22:54 - May 12 with 988 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:18 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Can you show me where I said he should be playing?
There's a way of managing players, this is the second player within a few weeks who has spoken about this. |
Well he’s released a statement saying he was good enough to be a star in the team, he didn’t want to come into training because he wasn’t being picked on a matchday.
You have posted that, in yet another dig at our very successful manager. So presumably you have sympathy for his point.
But Declan John is wrong isn’t he. He’s nowhere near good enough to be playing regular Championship football, let alone one in our position. Jazz Richards went to Cardiff to oust him from the position, another player not good enough for us - which doesn’t bode well for Declan.
He has just signed for a League 2 team just promoted to league 1.
Stop being silly now Risca. The team is in the playoffs, this ridiculous vendetta is boring. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 22:58 - May 12 with 982 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 21:26 - May 12 by Dr_Winston |
Amazing how few people grasp it and how many wilfully struggle against.
"managers who focused very much on team shape, how not to get broken down, defensively solid, and basically play to survive".
This is Cooper down to his DNA. |
Everyone grasps it.
However some don’t grasp exactly why we cannot be tiki taka pass masters.
People will have a rude awakening when Cooper goes, that I assure you. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 23:09 - May 12 with 974 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 22:32 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are not vigilent on financial matter relating to the Supporters group to which you are a mamber. Things like the likely costs of legal and other fees in the event of winning and losing in the long awaited legal case.
You have admitted you have no idea whether they can invest in property bonds and shares. They can however "raise money by any legal means" which should allow it by my judgement. |
Primarily because the trust don't control the football club's finances. Vigilance best served where its actually required.
The costs of the case aren't finalised so haven't been released.
I'm no lawyer so I'd rather leave such matters up to the more suitably qualified trust board members. As an educated guess i think investing in property is permitted (although not feasible up until now), but shares etc not unless its in a company that owns shares in the club. But im far from certain on that. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 07:41 - May 13 with 903 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 22:54 - May 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well he’s released a statement saying he was good enough to be a star in the team, he didn’t want to come into training because he wasn’t being picked on a matchday.
You have posted that, in yet another dig at our very successful manager. So presumably you have sympathy for his point.
But Declan John is wrong isn’t he. He’s nowhere near good enough to be playing regular Championship football, let alone one in our position. Jazz Richards went to Cardiff to oust him from the position, another player not good enough for us - which doesn’t bode well for Declan.
He has just signed for a League 2 team just promoted to league 1.
Stop being silly now Risca. The team is in the playoffs, this ridiculous vendetta is boring. |
Again, managing is not just the players who are playing and in squad every week. Declan John has come out and said he was never spoken to throughout Cooper's reign.
It's not a vendetta, it's just calling things as I see it, and plenty agree. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 08:29 - May 13 with 884 views | vetchonian |
| Swiss Ramble on 07:41 - May 13 by 34dfgdf54 |
Again, managing is not just the players who are playing and in squad every week. Declan John has come out and said he was never spoken to throughout Cooper's reign.
It's not a vendetta, it's just calling things as I see it, and plenty agree. |
Again I fail to see anything in the article to support this...all John states is he was not given a reason as to why he was training with the U23s....why he wasnt included in the first team set up even though he believed he was good enough.
He had been "excluded" from first team duties by Coopers predecessor so it should not have come as any surprise.
It doesnt say he wasnt spoken to...just no reason given...maybe the conversation went
Hi Declan you dont figure in our plans for this season so you will be training with the U23s..maybe your agent could find you a loan if your not happy with things
Read the article you chose again....where does John state Cooper didnt speak to him? All it says is
Opening up on his struggles, the former Cardiff City and Rangers man insists he was never really given a reason for his omission, and says his progress at Bolton has furthered his belief that he could have made a difference in SA1.
"It was tough," he said when casting his mind back to his Liberty Stadium exit. "There was days where I didn’t want to go into training, I’ll be completely honest with you and not really being given a reason why.
"I think I was more than good enough to play in that team and I think I’ve shown what I can do in the games that I’ve played this season.
"I think especially in this climate now I think it’s been really tough for everyone and for this to happen, especially for me from going playing 23s football for the last six months to getting promoted with this team is brilliant."
He believes because he contributed to success in Lg2 he was a walk in in the championship even though his past history did not support that.
Aagin people;s dislike of Cooper is blinded what they read looking for anything to knock him with.
Again what started as a positive thread about the financial state of the club has been overtaken as turned into another Cooper bash and using very "tentative" arguements in the process.
As someone else has said here ...why not praise the good things but crtiicise the bad.
We are all human all make mistakes in our profesional lives.... [Post edited 13 May 2021 8:54]
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| Swiss Ramble on 08:47 - May 13 with 877 views | Thornburyswan |
| Swiss Ramble on 22:54 - May 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well he’s released a statement saying he was good enough to be a star in the team, he didn’t want to come into training because he wasn’t being picked on a matchday.
You have posted that, in yet another dig at our very successful manager. So presumably you have sympathy for his point.
But Declan John is wrong isn’t he. He’s nowhere near good enough to be playing regular Championship football, let alone one in our position. Jazz Richards went to Cardiff to oust him from the position, another player not good enough for us - which doesn’t bode well for Declan.
He has just signed for a League 2 team just promoted to league 1.
Stop being silly now Risca. The team is in the playoffs, this ridiculous vendetta is boring. |
For me the debate about whether he is or isn’t good enough is irrelevant for me as his comments speak to his attitude which for a seasoned pro is very poor - I’d just about get it for a youngster needing an arm around his shoulder from the gaffer but not an experienced professional - once Cooper & his coaching team saw that attitude his card would have been marked.
Interestingly & obviously my opinion he might have excelled in our 3 CB plus 2 WB formation but he’d made his bed by then. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 08:52 - May 13 with 875 views | vetchonian |
| Swiss Ramble on 19:22 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Your first paragraph, completely fair comment. Poor signing which didn’t work out.
Your third paragraph though, Grimes, James, McBurnie, Rodon all players which through the help of our brilliant academy brought into the first team by Potter. I would imagine all four would have nothing but great things to say regarding Potter.
As the saying goes though, proof will be in pudding, let’s see if premier league chairman come chasing Cooper. I don’t think so personally as these guys will more than likely look at more than results and see bigger picture. But we’ll see. |
Your second paragraph those same players might have nothing but great things to say about Cooper too who knows?
Your third paragraph, Cooper has already this seasom been mentioned as possible candidate for Palace and Spurs.
Chairmen ,chief execs, owners and shareholders look at results unfortunately...
Potter 8 years as in senior management....in English leagues his record
Swansea took them to 10th in the championship following releagtion from the PL
Brighton first season took them to 15th in the PL having finished 17th previous season
Second season at Brighton currently in 17th
Cooper 2 seasons in senior management
1st season finishes 6th losing in the semi finals of the playoffs
2nd season finishes 4th though were in a position to have gained automatic promotion for quite a period.
Looking at those stats as so many on here love stats which manager appears to be the most successful...plus Cooper has his World cup history and a "reputation" of links and developing young players.
AS we say its all about opinions.....Im not saying Copper is a better manager than Potter he is different but the stats on show could persuade someone to opt for Cooper over Potter in appointing a manager | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 10:20 - May 13 with 848 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 08:29 - May 13 by vetchonian |
Again I fail to see anything in the article to support this...all John states is he was not given a reason as to why he was training with the U23s....why he wasnt included in the first team set up even though he believed he was good enough.
He had been "excluded" from first team duties by Coopers predecessor so it should not have come as any surprise.
It doesnt say he wasnt spoken to...just no reason given...maybe the conversation went
Hi Declan you dont figure in our plans for this season so you will be training with the U23s..maybe your agent could find you a loan if your not happy with things
Read the article you chose again....where does John state Cooper didnt speak to him? All it says is
Opening up on his struggles, the former Cardiff City and Rangers man insists he was never really given a reason for his omission, and says his progress at Bolton has furthered his belief that he could have made a difference in SA1.
"It was tough," he said when casting his mind back to his Liberty Stadium exit. "There was days where I didn’t want to go into training, I’ll be completely honest with you and not really being given a reason why.
"I think I was more than good enough to play in that team and I think I’ve shown what I can do in the games that I’ve played this season.
"I think especially in this climate now I think it’s been really tough for everyone and for this to happen, especially for me from going playing 23s football for the last six months to getting promoted with this team is brilliant."
He believes because he contributed to success in Lg2 he was a walk in in the championship even though his past history did not support that.
Aagin people;s dislike of Cooper is blinded what they read looking for anything to knock him with.
Again what started as a positive thread about the financial state of the club has been overtaken as turned into another Cooper bash and using very "tentative" arguements in the process.
As someone else has said here ...why not praise the good things but crtiicise the bad.
We are all human all make mistakes in our profesional lives.... [Post edited 13 May 2021 8:54]
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Is the correct answer.
If anyone wants to count how many players didn’t like working under Alex Ferguson because he wasn’t playing them regularly you may need every hand and finger of every poster on this thread.
Just just boring now. Just predictable nonsense. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 12:01 - May 13 with 824 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 10:20 - May 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
Is the correct answer.
If anyone wants to count how many players didn’t like working under Alex Ferguson because he wasn’t playing them regularly you may need every hand and finger of every poster on this thread.
Just just boring now. Just predictable nonsense. |
Absolute rubbish. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 12:02 - May 13 with 823 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 08:52 - May 13 by vetchonian |
Your second paragraph those same players might have nothing but great things to say about Cooper too who knows?
Your third paragraph, Cooper has already this seasom been mentioned as possible candidate for Palace and Spurs.
Chairmen ,chief execs, owners and shareholders look at results unfortunately...
Potter 8 years as in senior management....in English leagues his record
Swansea took them to 10th in the championship following releagtion from the PL
Brighton first season took them to 15th in the PL having finished 17th previous season
Second season at Brighton currently in 17th
Cooper 2 seasons in senior management
1st season finishes 6th losing in the semi finals of the playoffs
2nd season finishes 4th though were in a position to have gained automatic promotion for quite a period.
Looking at those stats as so many on here love stats which manager appears to be the most successful...plus Cooper has his World cup history and a "reputation" of links and developing young players.
AS we say its all about opinions.....Im not saying Copper is a better manager than Potter he is different but the stats on show could persuade someone to opt for Cooper over Potter in appointing a manager |
You could be right, we'll see what offers he gets in the summer. I'm not convinced but proof will be in the pudding.
I can't see him still being here regardless as I don't believe the relationship is great between him, Scott and Winter. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 12:15 - May 13 with 820 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swiss Ramble on 12:01 - May 13 by 34dfgdf54 |
Absolute rubbish. |
Which part specifically? | |
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