| Swiss Ramble 07:17 - May 10 with 9828 views | Dr_Winston |
The best Twitter football financial expert gives his analysis on our last financial performance figures. For some reason there's no mention of the tens of millions taken out out of the club by the owners. Can't imagine why.
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| Swiss Ramble on 14:01 - May 12 with 1059 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swiss Ramble on 13:26 - May 12 by Chief |
No ones disputing what the hierarchy is. But it helps performance and morale if things go up&down that hierarchy. There's no narrative, just a discussion and interpretation of the facts of this event which are undeniably poor.
Maybe like asking Cooper's thoughts on the situation. Maybe just explain why he was making this decision. Maybe discuss what happens next.
Come on, i know you'll back anyone remotely associated to the Americans to the hilt but Winter was obviously wrong on this. It was a poor way to act, not neccessarily the sale which was questionable, but how it was done. |
The same line you take with the sale of the club to the US people.
"It was a poor way to act, not neccessarily the sale which was questionable, but how it was done."
Perhaps it is you and the fans that are in the wrong. Things have to be moved on and if some people are unhappy that is the way it has to be. Its a cut throat business. Even today fans say the result is a win but we did not like the way we got the win". |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 14:06 - May 12 with 1054 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:01 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The same line you take with the sale of the club to the US people.
"It was a poor way to act, not neccessarily the sale which was questionable, but how it was done."
Perhaps it is you and the fans that are in the wrong. Things have to be moved on and if some people are unhappy that is the way it has to be. Its a cut throat business. Even today fans say the result is a win but we did not like the way we got the win". |
And what's wrong with treating people respect and some manners? Especially ones you work with or have worked with for some time?
I know you and Risca are now embroiled in purely saying the opposite viewpoint of mine now, but you need to pull back, take a breath and realise what you are actually arguing with me over now-
Literally all I'm saying is that the sale of Peterson could have been handled better.
Unbelievable you'd go to such lengths to dispute that. [Post edited 12 May 2021 14:07]
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| Swiss Ramble on 14:09 - May 12 with 1043 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:01 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The same line you take with the sale of the club to the US people.
"It was a poor way to act, not neccessarily the sale which was questionable, but how it was done."
Perhaps it is you and the fans that are in the wrong. Things have to be moved on and if some people are unhappy that is the way it has to be. Its a cut throat business. Even today fans say the result is a win but we did not like the way we got the win". |
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| Swiss Ramble on 14:14 - May 12 with 1038 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:06 - May 12 by Chief |
And what's wrong with treating people respect and some manners? Especially ones you work with or have worked with for some time?
I know you and Risca are now embroiled in purely saying the opposite viewpoint of mine now, but you need to pull back, take a breath and realise what you are actually arguing with me over now-
Literally all I'm saying is that the sale of Peterson could have been handled better.
Unbelievable you'd go to such lengths to dispute that. [Post edited 12 May 2021 14:07]
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Embroiled in purely saying opposite to you? Righteyo.
Peterson had to go, Cooper had no interest in playing him, we managed to make our money back in a season finances will be crippled by Covid.
I would argue you need to sit back and realise what you're saying, you seem to have a major dislike of the owners and that's fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, but the Peterson sale is a ridiculous stick to beat them with. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:16 - May 12 with 1034 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 13:58 - May 12 by Chief |
I don't think ever questioned why Peterson would want to stay. But when you have a contract, you can't just walk out when you feel like it.
Read up there's plenty of ways this could have been done differently rather than a pathetic text message. Better communication isn't difficult. The sale itself wasn't ideal either but i have a degree of understanding for it.
Its laughable that a manager doesn't want to lose any squad members before a busy period!? You need to get a grip on this Cooper vendetta. Criticising him for wanting players in his squad now. Like any other manager ever. It's bizarre. |
<< Its laughable that a manager doesn't want to lose any squad members before a busy period!? You need to get a grip on this Cooper vendetta. Criticising him for wanting players in his squad now. Like any other manager ever. It's bizarre. >>
Apart from the ones he was given in Jan, apart from the striker he tracked all summer, got him but still states we haven't had a centre forward all season. He had no intention of using his squad during the busy period, Ayew even said himself the players were nackered, his reply "get on with it". | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:24 - May 12 with 1026 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:14 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Embroiled in purely saying opposite to you? Righteyo.
Peterson had to go, Cooper had no interest in playing him, we managed to make our money back in a season finances will be crippled by Covid.
I would argue you need to sit back and realise what you're saying, you seem to have a major dislike of the owners and that's fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, but the Peterson sale is a ridiculous stick to beat them with. |
Why are you ignoring what I've written?
Read back again.
For a start no i don't hate our owners. I've stated several times that i think they're doing a decent job, but i am still weary of them&always will be, like any sensible fan should be.
And secondly, i haven't stated anywhere that i think they're in anyway responsible for this. I have clearly stated its Winter in the wrong on this.
Amazing anyone would bother to disagree with that. But you're on one it seems and its default for you now judging by you bringing up other things totally unrelated to this. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 14:24 - May 12 with 1026 views | 34dfgdf54 |
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Whether he's good enough or not, the man management seems absolutely shocking and this is just another example. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:28 - May 12 with 1024 views | Chief |
Haha wow looking up other random things now!
Declan John has been the same at every club he's been at, including under our previous manager who was the one who signed him them shunned him.
No comment on Potter though for the sake of balance? | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 14:58 - May 12 with 999 views | vetchonian |
So the apparrent "togtherness" and much talked about unity in the squad is all amyth then?
The scenes of touchline group hugs, Ayew racing to Cooper...none of this fits another swipe at Cooper...
As has been said Declan has already "been around" and not settled at a club.....Potter brought him here and also dropped him..
Guess what sometimes this happens t o players when they are not in the frame. I remember Chris Marustik telling me that he always knew when he was going to be involved in an up coming game as Tosh would talk to him.....otherwise there was little interaction..it was saved for the match day 12...those on the finges were not shinned but dealt with by the assistants....only when they were featuring in the matchday squad did the big man interact much.
Players like Arriola and John need to grow a pair recognise that they too are part of the equation..as has been said its not like John has been a roaring success at his previous clubs.
BBut hey ho more to bash Cooper with and journos love things like this especially as most read the forums and this becomes click bait
SOmetimes we should all take a step back and look at the overall picture...as I said if Coopers man management is that poor how come there is such a squad affinity etc?
JOhn didnt want to go training as he was training with the "stiffs" to use old parlance...his nose was out of joint..it happens.. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 15:15 - May 12 with 989 views | vetchonian |
What I find so amusing is that a thread which was about how the club despite the problems caused by the pandemic did well finanacially despite a massive drop in income has been used once again to Cooper bash and using some really weak arguements along the way.
Look I know I have supported Cooper...been accused of fawning over him....I dont fawn what I do is look at things rationally and with perspective. For me there things he could do better and I also think he needs to shake things up....for example our kick offs are always the same...but thats just one thing..but overall yet again he has us in the play offs....we are not fighting against relegation and as this thread started things are looking not too bad off the pitch too.
How many of us feared of a fall through the leagues and financial catasrophe following our releagtion form the PL...Here we are 3 seasons after being relegated in the mix for promotion for the second season..and things not in the financial ststae of the club...yet all some folks want to do is continue to bash the manager | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 15:20 - May 12 with 983 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 14:28 - May 12 by Chief |
Haha wow looking up other random things now!
Declan John has been the same at every club he's been at, including under our previous manager who was the one who signed him them shunned him.
No comment on Potter though for the sake of balance? |
Looking for random things? It's a WalesOnline article today.
No comment regarding Potter? What about Potter? I think he is a fantastic manager hence Spurs apparently sniffing about. Why do you ask? | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:21 - May 12 with 980 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:15 - May 12 by vetchonian |
What I find so amusing is that a thread which was about how the club despite the problems caused by the pandemic did well finanacially despite a massive drop in income has been used once again to Cooper bash and using some really weak arguements along the way.
Look I know I have supported Cooper...been accused of fawning over him....I dont fawn what I do is look at things rationally and with perspective. For me there things he could do better and I also think he needs to shake things up....for example our kick offs are always the same...but thats just one thing..but overall yet again he has us in the play offs....we are not fighting against relegation and as this thread started things are looking not too bad off the pitch too.
How many of us feared of a fall through the leagues and financial catasrophe following our releagtion form the PL...Here we are 3 seasons after being relegated in the mix for promotion for the second season..and things not in the financial ststae of the club...yet all some folks want to do is continue to bash the manager |
<< Here we are 3 seasons after being relegated in the mix for promotion for the second season..and things not in the financial ststae of the club...yet all some folks want to do is continue to bash the manager >>
What financial state? As the accounts show this club has been run very well since relegation. One of the reasons I have no time for Cooper continually digging out the board at every opportunity. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:31 - May 12 with 969 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:20 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Looking for random things? It's a WalesOnline article today.
No comment regarding Potter? What about Potter? I think he is a fantastic manager hence Spurs apparently sniffing about. Why do you ask? |
Nice deliberate diversion by being obtuse.
Potter was the one who signed John then basically didn't play him (which is a pattern for John at all his clubs), yet tellingly, no criticism for Potter regarding this from you.
You've lost all your objectivity in this crusade to discredit Cooper at every turn. You must be praying we don't get promoted. | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 16:24 - May 12 with 941 views | vetchonian |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:21 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
<< Here we are 3 seasons after being relegated in the mix for promotion for the second season..and things not in the financial ststae of the club...yet all some folks want to do is continue to bash the manager >>
What financial state? As the accounts show this club has been run very well since relegation. One of the reasons I have no time for Cooper continually digging out the board at every opportunity. |
typing error by me....I meant to say things not too bad in the financial state of the club.
And how do you say Cooper digs at the board at every opportunity?
Maybe he has done since the American players were brought over as I have said I suspect Our owners have targeted Cooper with getting us promoted before the parachute payments dry up....he has given it a fair shot...and maybe felt that the readiness and level of those two were not sufficient to help...and the funds could have been used elsewhere.
But again the thread is being derailed .....to Cooper bash | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 16:31 - May 12 with 937 views | vetchonian |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:18 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Can you show me where I said he should be playing?
There's a way of managing players, this is the second player within a few weeks who has spoken about this. |
Guess what this happens to managers in all walks of life....staff who are not happy with decisions or the way things are going not in their favour will have a go....I am sure we have been guilty of it in our workings lives.....or in activities outside of our work environment...As I discussed earlier the talk of unity and touchline hugs does not point to Cooper having a huge man management problem...I think as I said Declan John's problem was ego related having to train with the U23's....so I doubt he was haiving much contact with Cooper | |
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| Swiss Ramble on 17:31 - May 12 with 924 views | vetchonian |
| Swiss Ramble on 15:20 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Looking for random things? It's a WalesOnline article today.
No comment regarding Potter? What about Potter? I think he is a fantastic manager hence Spurs apparently sniffing about. Why do you ask? |
the same Potter who persuaded us to part with £2M for a 19 year old then played him for a total of 17 times starting just 4 games?
ANd people dare to come on here and spout about Whittaker being expensive ( £750K) and not being played
Potter failed to get us to the play offs and he had vitrtually the same defence/midfield but with the "bonus" of Celina,Dan James and Macburnie. YEs for whatever reason Cooper couldnt get a tune from Celina but this so called "crap" manager has twice got us to theplayoffs. If we spend enough time we can find fault with all our managers...Cooper seems to be getting hit from all angles whilst "similar" cases of "mismanagment" by his predecssors is swept under the carpet? [Post edited 12 May 2021 17:35]
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| Swiss Ramble on 17:35 - May 12 with 921 views | monmouth |
| Swiss Ramble on 16:31 - May 12 by vetchonian |
Guess what this happens to managers in all walks of life....staff who are not happy with decisions or the way things are going not in their favour will have a go....I am sure we have been guilty of it in our workings lives.....or in activities outside of our work environment...As I discussed earlier the talk of unity and touchline hugs does not point to Cooper having a huge man management problem...I think as I said Declan John's problem was ego related having to train with the U23's....so I doubt he was haiving much contact with Cooper |
This is absolutely true. I would not trust John’s criticism any more than, say, Ayew’s praise.
Anyway, there’s no point in arguing. We have what we have and now we are all united until we lose, which we all hope is next season. As to the finances, post COVID is the test, but I can’t believe they’d have gone for £99 season tickets without being confident. Again let’s hope we have a £100 million plus windfall to remove any doubt. |  |
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| Swiss Ramble on 19:22 - May 12 with 892 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swiss Ramble on 17:31 - May 12 by vetchonian |
the same Potter who persuaded us to part with £2M for a 19 year old then played him for a total of 17 times starting just 4 games?
ANd people dare to come on here and spout about Whittaker being expensive ( £750K) and not being played
Potter failed to get us to the play offs and he had vitrtually the same defence/midfield but with the "bonus" of Celina,Dan James and Macburnie. YEs for whatever reason Cooper couldnt get a tune from Celina but this so called "crap" manager has twice got us to theplayoffs. If we spend enough time we can find fault with all our managers...Cooper seems to be getting hit from all angles whilst "similar" cases of "mismanagment" by his predecssors is swept under the carpet? [Post edited 12 May 2021 17:35]
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Your first paragraph, completely fair comment. Poor signing which didn’t work out.
Your third paragraph though, Grimes, James, McBurnie, Rodon all players which through the help of our brilliant academy brought into the first team by Potter. I would imagine all four would have nothing but great things to say regarding Potter.
As the saying goes though, proof will be in pudding, let’s see if premier league chairman come chasing Cooper. I don’t think so personally as these guys will more than likely look at more than results and see bigger picture. But we’ll see. | | | |
| Swiss Ramble on 19:27 - May 12 with 887 views | Chief |
| Swiss Ramble on 19:22 - May 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Your first paragraph, completely fair comment. Poor signing which didn’t work out.
Your third paragraph though, Grimes, James, McBurnie, Rodon all players which through the help of our brilliant academy brought into the first team by Potter. I would imagine all four would have nothing but great things to say regarding Potter.
As the saying goes though, proof will be in pudding, let’s see if premier league chairman come chasing Cooper. I don’t think so personally as these guys will more than likely look at more than results and see bigger picture. But we’ll see. |
That interview by Declan John will put off prospective chairmen off no doubt.
Bigger picture than success on the pitch apparently
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