| The end of gas? 21:23 - May 18 with 6898 views | Catullus |
I'm not against the idea, we need to do everything we can to protect the planet but blooming heck look at the expected prices,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/sci
£6000 to £18000.....it has to be very heavily subsidised because most of us juts couldn't afford it, surely! |  |
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| The end of gas? on 17:07 - May 19 with 1048 views | Luther27 |
| The end of gas? on 14:29 - May 19 by Scotia |
It's not virtue signalling. It needs to be done. It needs to be done on a global scale, we may be a small player but we need to do our bit.
Renewables are part of the solution. They are not perfect and need back up or possibly in the future some form of storage. I agree that nuclear may well need to play a part.
Your "trillions" of pounds is based on outdated technology, is it expensive? Yes. But how much do you think the first ever coal fired power station cost to set up (in total) based on the equivalent cost today?
These costs will come down, they are already, and renewables will get more efficient. |
They’d better get a lot more efficient quickly. Older people already suffer fuel poverty mainly because they live in poor quality houses. In fact when you look at the quality of the majority of houses in Wales they are of a shte standard when it comes to energy efficiency. Putting lagging in the loft of a terraced house or ‘40s built house along with double glazing causes damp problems as does using cavity wall insulation in the majority of 1960 constructed houses. You’re on a loser there until the quality of housing in Wales and the UK as a whole achieves a higher energy efficiency thus enabling a reduction in energy consumption. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 18:11 - May 19 with 1034 views | controversial_jack |
| The end of gas? on 16:30 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
https://grid.iamkate.com/
The figures give real time data of the national grid.
They only include output of solar farms as the national grid cannot monitor output from domestic solar panels. That data is collected quarterly from individual generation meters.
The current installed capacityof household solar is 13.2 GW (June 2020) enough to power 3 million households. 900,000 households have solar panels.
Batteries are being installed at an increasing rate as cost come down which means many houses draw little or now power from the grid overnight.
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Wait until cars go all electric, poor requirements will go through the roof , excuse the pun | | | |
| The end of gas? on 18:30 - May 19 with 1023 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 15:56 - May 19 by controversial_jack |
Alternative energy sources are a great addition and should be encouraged, but it won't be possible to rely on them totally.
We will still need fossil fuels, and maybe nuclear power. However, we will have to depend on overseas companies to build nuclear power stations, as Britain does not have the expertise to build them |
So, you are not aware of the Rolls Royce SMR then? | | | |
| The end of gas? on 19:30 - May 19 with 1006 views | max936 |
| The end of gas? on 00:09 - May 19 by controversial_jack |
I worked with gas for many years. Propane, butane, Hydrogen Chloride, Chlorines, methyl chloride, Nitrogen, hydrogen,and so on and they are perfectly safe when stored correctly. When they are compressed and liquified they are easy to store too. |
Not when appliances leak or pipework leaks etc, Im on about Natural Gas and this thread was started referring to natural gas to.
I've worked with Propane and Butane and I still work with LPG and its all dangerous, nobody will convince me differently either. |  |
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| The end of gas? on 19:34 - May 19 with 1000 views | Catullus |
| The end of gas? on 19:30 - May 19 by max936 |
Not when appliances leak or pipework leaks etc, Im on about Natural Gas and this thread was started referring to natural gas to.
I've worked with Propane and Butane and I still work with LPG and its all dangerous, nobody will convince me differently either. |
I had a gas leak in bed once, nearly killed the wife. | |
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| The end of gas? on 19:38 - May 19 with 996 views | KeithHaynes |
| The end of gas? on 19:34 - May 19 by Catullus |
I had a gas leak in bed once, nearly killed the wife. |
My youngest boxer 🤢🤮 |  |
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| The end of gas? on 20:08 - May 19 with 979 views | max936 |
| The end of gas? on 19:34 - May 19 by Catullus |
I had a gas leak in bed once, nearly killed the wife. |
Dear me, mun | |
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| The end of gas? on 20:10 - May 19 with 977 views | max936 |
| The end of gas? on 19:38 - May 19 by KeithHaynes |
My youngest boxer 🤢🤮 |
My now sadly departed Dobe, used to be funny, he'd let one rip and then look at you and let out a little bark, funny as  | |
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| The end of gas? on 22:31 - May 19 with 951 views | jack_lord |
| The end of gas? on 20:10 - May 19 by max936 |
My now sadly departed Dobe, used to be funny, he'd let one rip and then look at you and let out a little bark, funny as |
Our Charlie jumps up on to the chair and let one go as he does so. A very indignant look as if to say it isn't his fault. |  |
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| The end of gas? on 22:39 - May 19 with 942 views | max936 |
| The end of gas? on 22:31 - May 19 by jack_lord |
Our Charlie jumps up on to the chair and let one go as he does so. A very indignant look as if to say it isn't his fault. |
Exactly that, its the wasn't me look, honest | |
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| The end of gas? on 01:46 - May 20 with 924 views | DJack |
| The end of gas? on 18:30 - May 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, you are not aware of the Rolls Royce SMR then? |
Are they actually in use now? |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The end of gas? on 07:37 - May 20 with 911 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 17:07 - May 19 by Luther27 |
They’d better get a lot more efficient quickly. Older people already suffer fuel poverty mainly because they live in poor quality houses. In fact when you look at the quality of the majority of houses in Wales they are of a shte standard when it comes to energy efficiency. Putting lagging in the loft of a terraced house or ‘40s built house along with double glazing causes damp problems as does using cavity wall insulation in the majority of 1960 constructed houses. You’re on a loser there until the quality of housing in Wales and the UK as a whole achieves a higher energy efficiency thus enabling a reduction in energy consumption. |
I agree. New builds need to be and are becoming a more efficient. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 07:40 - May 20 with 909 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 15:15 - May 19 by jack_lord |
and there is always tidal range technology. As you have said, the renewables are becoming increasingly efficient and wind turbines and solar farms are being developed at an increasing pace. Nuclear has a big part to play and as science improves then imagine cold fusion.
We still have coal and we still have gas so we have a back up. There is a website that shows how much of our energy demands are met by each technology each day. |
Tidal generation has to be taken seriously.
We've had our fingers burnt by the PR farce that was the lagoon, but it needs to be harnessed. I can envisage a day when all of Wales energy needs come from offshore sources, but I don't know if I'll live to see it. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 08:41 - May 20 with 896 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The end of gas? on 07:40 - May 20 by Scotia |
Tidal generation has to be taken seriously.
We've had our fingers burnt by the PR farce that was the lagoon, but it needs to be harnessed. I can envisage a day when all of Wales energy needs come from offshore sources, but I don't know if I'll live to see it. |
Perhaps Drakeford can make that official policy of the senedd . He could even allocate some of the money he is not spending on the M4 Relief road to building the Swansea lagoon creating jobs at the same time. | |
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| The end of gas? on 09:43 - May 20 with 881 views | Catullus |
| The end of gas? on 22:39 - May 19 by max936 |
Exactly that, its the wasn't me look, honest |
Ours does SBD's then gives a giant snort and walks away. Oddly, whenever he lets one rip in the bedroom it's always on the wifes side of the bed. I think he prefers me  | |
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| The end of gas? on 09:53 - May 20 with 878 views | jack_lord |
| The end of gas? on 08:41 - May 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Perhaps Drakeford can make that official policy of the senedd . He could even allocate some of the money he is not spending on the M4 Relief road to building the Swansea lagoon creating jobs at the same time. |
I agree though the M4 needs be addressed. I think they should build two more tunnels.
The Swansea lagoon, although a sensitive subject for quite a few, will be seen as a success and the Severn and Cardiff plans will surely follow. | |
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| The end of gas? on 10:17 - May 20 with 872 views | Catullus |
| The end of gas? on 09:53 - May 20 by jack_lord |
I agree though the M4 needs be addressed. I think they should build two more tunnels.
The Swansea lagoon, although a sensitive subject for quite a few, will be seen as a success and the Severn and Cardiff plans will surely follow. |
Drakers said it was because ofs the cost and the environmental effects that he stopped the M4 relief, thing is there will always be environmental concerns when you are putting down thousands of tonnes of concrete to make bases for turbines, be they wind or water p
powered.
I'm nowhere near an expert but after all that I've read on here it seems obvious we need the right balance, we need as much power provided from renewable sources as we can manage without completely destroying eco systems but we'll need nuclear back up too, for those times when demand outstrips supply. It's always going to be a trade off of some kind. | |
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| The end of gas? on 10:43 - May 20 with 870 views | controversial_jack |
| The end of gas? on 08:41 - May 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Perhaps Drakeford can make that official policy of the senedd . He could even allocate some of the money he is not spending on the M4 Relief road to building the Swansea lagoon creating jobs at the same time. |
The Lagoon was a Westminster decision, so was the non Electrification to Swansea | | | |
| The end of gas? on 10:56 - May 20 with 866 views | Catullus |
| The end of gas? on 10:43 - May 20 by controversial_jack |
The Lagoon was a Westminster decision, so was the non Electrification to Swansea |
It was, maybe it was because it wasn't really viable. Maybe it was because none of Bojo;s chums were involved? Or maybe it was because the Tories didn't want a Labour government having a succesful major eco project? | |
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| The end of gas? on 11:16 - May 20 with 860 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 10:17 - May 20 by Catullus |
Drakers said it was because ofs the cost and the environmental effects that he stopped the M4 relief, thing is there will always be environmental concerns when you are putting down thousands of tonnes of concrete to make bases for turbines, be they wind or water p
powered.
I'm nowhere near an expert but after all that I've read on here it seems obvious we need the right balance, we need as much power provided from renewable sources as we can manage without completely destroying eco systems but we'll need nuclear back up too, for those times when demand outstrips supply. It's always going to be a trade off of some kind. |
That's correct Cat.
The main issue regarding the relief road was the route that the route taken forward was the "easiest" regarding land ownership for WG, as it was largely WG land, but had environmental impacts that were impossible to mitigate for.
We're never going to get away from harming the environment, everything we do has an impact, there are far too many of us on the planet. The concrete bases of turbines are an excellent example, the production of cement is responsible for between 8-10% of human Co2 emissions.
We need to ease population growth and minimise our unsustainable use of natural resources. That is far easier said than done.
Of course some people think Bill Gates attempts at minimising population growth through improving health care and reducing poverty is some sort of conspiracy. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 19:32 - May 20 with 808 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 01:46 - May 20 by DJack |
Are they actually in use now? |
Of course not.
Their forefathers are on Nuclear Submarines.
These are land based more advanced versions.
Rolls Royce has the experience and design capabilities.
Whether our government has the forsight to back them to the hilt is debatable. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 20:31 - May 20 with 790 views | Luther27 |
| The end of gas? on 19:32 - May 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Of course not.
Their forefathers are on Nuclear Submarines.
These are land based more advanced versions.
Rolls Royce has the experience and design capabilities.
Whether our government has the forsight to back them to the hilt is debatable. |
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.
Pretty interesting read. Coincidence that 2030 to 35 dates are being bandied around by the Govt regarding the UK becoming carbon neutral by 2050….ish | | | |
| The end of gas? on 20:33 - May 20 with 790 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 07:37 - May 20 by Scotia |
I agree. New builds need to be and are becoming a more efficient. |
Sorry, but Wind Generators are not that much more effecient, just bigger, unless they go to vertical design there is also not much chance of more improvement. Regardless of how efficient they make them if the wind is not blowing they are parasitic on the Grid.
Have ever bothered to see after all this time and all the money invested how much Wind & Solar contribute to World Electricity generation?
As of 2019, the last year they have data for.
Fossil Fuels - 63.3%
Nuclear - 10.4%
Hydro - 15.8%
Wind - 5.3%
Solar - 2.7%
But of total power generation
Fossil Fuels - 84.3%
Nuclear - 4.3%
Hydro - 6.4%
Wind - 2.2%
Solar - 1.1%
The increase in world generation from 2018 to 2019 was 2100TWh, the increase in Wind and Solar combined was 728TWh. So despite all the hype about increases in wind and solar it did not even increase enough to cover the annual increase in demand.
In fact 2018 investment in renewables was less than 2016 & 2017.
You guys need to face reality, the rest of the world do not want Renewables, they want good stable baseload power that can run modern societies.
UK virtue signalling is not going to change that. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 20:50 - May 20 with 780 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 20:33 - May 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry, but Wind Generators are not that much more effecient, just bigger, unless they go to vertical design there is also not much chance of more improvement. Regardless of how efficient they make them if the wind is not blowing they are parasitic on the Grid.
Have ever bothered to see after all this time and all the money invested how much Wind & Solar contribute to World Electricity generation?
As of 2019, the last year they have data for.
Fossil Fuels - 63.3%
Nuclear - 10.4%
Hydro - 15.8%
Wind - 5.3%
Solar - 2.7%
But of total power generation
Fossil Fuels - 84.3%
Nuclear - 4.3%
Hydro - 6.4%
Wind - 2.2%
Solar - 1.1%
The increase in world generation from 2018 to 2019 was 2100TWh, the increase in Wind and Solar combined was 728TWh. So despite all the hype about increases in wind and solar it did not even increase enough to cover the annual increase in demand.
In fact 2018 investment in renewables was less than 2016 & 2017.
You guys need to face reality, the rest of the world do not want Renewables, they want good stable baseload power that can run modern societies.
UK virtue signalling is not going to change that. |
Not much more efficient just bigger?
So that means they are more efficient and an individual turbine does know generate more power than smaller versions?
Not to mention future offshore developments where the wind does blow and siting becomes easier.
It won't be long until the rest of the world has to join us in what you consider to be virtue signalling.
How do you the rest of the world don't want renewables, did you read subtitles on YouTube? | | | |
| The end of gas? on 23:25 - May 20 with 764 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 20:50 - May 20 by Scotia |
Not much more efficient just bigger?
So that means they are more efficient and an individual turbine does know generate more power than smaller versions?
Not to mention future offshore developments where the wind does blow and siting becomes easier.
It won't be long until the rest of the world has to join us in what you consider to be virtue signalling.
How do you the rest of the world don't want renewables, did you read subtitles on YouTube? |
I acknowledged they were more efficient by being bigger, but that is diminishing returns.
I gave you the figures for offshore plus onshire wind earlier this week 1Gw, so the wind doesn't blow all the time, in fact quite often when it stalls it stalls right across europe.
I know what the rest of the world wants, because they are all building Coal and Gas powered stations with a few nuclear thrown in. In fact the Chinese are building most of them for them.
That is not guessing that is the reality which you refuse to face. | | | |
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