| If you've had the AZ vaccine 14:21 - Jun 18 with 3872 views | RonaldStump |
You won't get in to see Bruce Springsteen in NYC
Only those that have had the Pfizer Moderna and J&J experimental jab will be allowed.
They are making it up as they go along .
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 15:08 - Jun 19 with 863 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 14:53 - Jun 19 by Catullus |
UK. So that's 41 deaths out of 42,000,000 who've had one dose and over 30,000,000 who've had both doses. The current death rate from Covid within 28 days of a positive test is 191 or where it's mentioned on the death certificate it's 228. |
You didn't answer the question, the question is how many deaths in which area?
The USA?
The EU/
Or the UK? | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:38 - Jun 19 with 837 views | Catullus |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 15:08 - Jun 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
You didn't answer the question, the question is how many deaths in which area?
The USA?
The EU/
Or the UK? |
Yes I did answer it, look again, first two letters. | |
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:53 - Jun 19 with 800 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:38 - Jun 19 by Catullus |
Yes I did answer it, look again, first two letters. |
Yes but that isn't the whole story is it?
Because the USA and the EU both have reporting systems for Adverse affects of the vaccines which show many more than 41.
The 41 you mention, are they just from Blood Clots or all deaths, does that include the ones who have been Vaccinated and still died of COVID?
The numbers dying of the Delta COVID after vaccination are a major concern.
Here are the latest numbers.
Hospitalised Unvaccinated = 527
Hospitalised Vaccinated = 219, (135 with 1 dose and 84 with 2 doses)
Unvaccinated died = 34 which is 6.5% of those hospitalised
Vaccinated died = 36 which is 16.4% of those hospitalised
Single Vaccinated died = 10 which is 7.4% of those hospitalised
Double Vaccinated died = 26 which is 39% of those hospitalised
So explain to me what those numbers mean to you.
What about the Pfizer Vaccine also given to Milllions of UK residents have you included those in your 42,000,000?
Do you know what the recorded mortality rate is associated with Pfizer & Moderna Vaccines in the USA?
Why is so much higher than the UK?
Why are they killing so many fit young people there?
You have been talking about the immediate short term problems with the Vaccines, do you know what the long term concerns are?
You have made what is known as an "informed decision" without actually being completely informed. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:03 - Jun 19 with 802 views | Scotia |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:59 - Jun 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Scotia actually thinks they are safe despite the evidence when comparing them to truly safe old fashioned and tested Vaccines.
Even those old Vaccines are not 100% safe, no drug or chemical is because there is too much variation in human beings.
It is all about balancing gains and losses. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 12:00]
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They are safe.
You mentioning evidence is slightly ironic as you seem to post cherry picked nonsense from unqualified people. Would any of them be considered an expert witness in court? That is a genuine question.
It is about evaluating the benefits. The benefits far outweigh the risks. Anyone who remains unvaccinated after July 19th is almost certain to contract covid given the transmisibility of the Delta variant.
I wish them good luck, they'll need it. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:14 - Jun 19 with 774 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:03 - Jun 19 by Scotia |
They are safe.
You mentioning evidence is slightly ironic as you seem to post cherry picked nonsense from unqualified people. Would any of them be considered an expert witness in court? That is a genuine question.
It is about evaluating the benefits. The benefits far outweigh the risks. Anyone who remains unvaccinated after July 19th is almost certain to contract covid given the transmisibility of the Delta variant.
I wish them good luck, they'll need it. |
I suggest that you read my response to cat above your post.
It is starting to look from the actual data that with new strains the experts were right, it is those that have been vaccinated who are in trouble if they get COVID and are hospitalised.
The double vaccinated mortality rate is terrible.
Perhaps you have an explanation for that seeing as you are one of those saying how wonderful the vaccines are and how everybody should get double or treble vaccinations to reduce their chances of dying.
The problem with benefit ratios is you need all the facts, which you don't have. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 23:25 - Jun 19 with 765 views | Professor |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:14 - Jun 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
I suggest that you read my response to cat above your post.
It is starting to look from the actual data that with new strains the experts were right, it is those that have been vaccinated who are in trouble if they get COVID and are hospitalised.
The double vaccinated mortality rate is terrible.
Perhaps you have an explanation for that seeing as you are one of those saying how wonderful the vaccines are and how everybody should get double or treble vaccinations to reduce their chances of dying.
The problem with benefit ratios is you need all the facts, which you don't have. |
Point out to me who is saying this? It’s absolute bollocks. The PHE data are
Pretty unequivocal of vaccine protection
Are you so thick you don’t recognise that these are the highest risk groups. All the data are pointing to over 90% reduction in mortality. Throughout the gap from case to mortality I had been three weeks. So why is there not a massive rise now?
You are a danger to people . This is not debate or banter, it is conspiracist crap and risking lives. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 23:55 - Jun 19 with 750 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 23:25 - Jun 19 by Professor |
Point out to me who is saying this? It’s absolute bollocks. The PHE data are
Pretty unequivocal of vaccine protection
Are you so thick you don’t recognise that these are the highest risk groups. All the data are pointing to over 90% reduction in mortality. Throughout the gap from case to mortality I had been three weeks. So why is there not a massive rise now?
You are a danger to people . This is not debate or banter, it is conspiracist crap and risking lives. |
The Government are saying it, the data was on the BBC and in the papers.
They just didn't realise what they were printing, with their big headline saying how most of the cases and hospitalization were unvaccinated, just like you.
Work it out for yourself. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 00:18 - Jun 20 with 743 views | Professor |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 23:55 - Jun 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
The Government are saying it, the data was on the BBC and in the papers.
They just didn't realise what they were printing, with their big headline saying how most of the cases and hospitalization were unvaccinated, just like you.
Work it out for yourself. |
Go back and look at the detail and the narrative. Goodnight. Get vaccinated | | | |
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 07:31 - Jun 20 with 717 views | Scotia |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:14 - Jun 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
I suggest that you read my response to cat above your post.
It is starting to look from the actual data that with new strains the experts were right, it is those that have been vaccinated who are in trouble if they get COVID and are hospitalised.
The double vaccinated mortality rate is terrible.
Perhaps you have an explanation for that seeing as you are one of those saying how wonderful the vaccines are and how everybody should get double or treble vaccinations to reduce their chances of dying.
The problem with benefit ratios is you need all the facts, which you don't have. |
You convince yourself of that if you want and take your chance.
Your response indicates why you need to understand data you attempt to interpret.
Who do you think make up the overwhelming majority of those who have received both doses? | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 08:32 - Jun 20 with 692 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 07:31 - Jun 20 by Scotia |
You convince yourself of that if you want and take your chance.
Your response indicates why you need to understand data you attempt to interpret.
Who do you think make up the overwhelming majority of those who have received both doses? |
Who do you think it was supposed to protect? | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 08:42 - Jun 20 with 691 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 00:18 - Jun 20 by Professor |
Go back and look at the detail and the narrative. Goodnight. Get vaccinated |
Narrative, what you mean is spin.
The numbers speak for themselves.
We have had rammed down out throats for months by smug sanctimonious posters telling everyone get vaccinated and save yourselves and especially old people.
It's the only way to be safe, well it is not looking so safe now.
This was all predicted by the top Viroligists before the Vaccines were rolled out, but none of you wanted to listen, branding them nut jobs and conspiracy theorists.
Well if everything they had concerns about this is not going to get better.
Talk about burying you head in the sand.
But don't worry the medicines you despise doens't care about new strains. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 8:51]
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 10:45 - Jun 20 with 652 views | Professor |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 07:31 - Jun 20 by Scotia |
You convince yourself of that if you want and take your chance.
Your response indicates why you need to understand data you attempt to interpret.
Who do you think make up the overwhelming majority of those who have received both doses? |
The reduction in hospitalisation is excellent, but if you just cherry pick one thing without context it means little. There is no indication of the age or underlying conditions. Since most deaths have been 70 plus, I suspect that more granular data will show those where the vaccine has not protected are very old or have another significant condition
Sadly AFD seems to be the only person willing the vaccine to fail | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:35 - Jun 20 with 635 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 10:45 - Jun 20 by Professor |
The reduction in hospitalisation is excellent, but if you just cherry pick one thing without context it means little. There is no indication of the age or underlying conditions. Since most deaths have been 70 plus, I suspect that more granular data will show those where the vaccine has not protected are very old or have another significant condition
Sadly AFD seems to be the only person willing the vaccine to fail |
I am not willing it to fail, I am incensed, livid with anger that no one has been listening to the experts on medication and these vaccines for a novel Virus.
They have been ignored, attacked, denigrated and had their characters assassinated.
This is part of a trial, the trial is how well will the new Vaccines work against a new Strain of the Virus.
Yes the case rates and hospitalisations for the Vaccinated have been very good.
In any drug/vaccine clinical studies what are the Final Adverse Effect and the Final Outcome, death is the final Adverse Effect and the final outcome
You appear to have a massive problem with simple arithmetic.
Is 39% greater than 7.4% and greater than 6.5%
You ignore this data with the fact that you assume that "Since most deaths have been 70 plus, I suspect that more granular data will show those where the vaccine has not protected are very old or have another significant condition "
Well why don't you assume exactly the same thing for the Unvaccinated group?
Let's move on to what those top Virogists predicted shall we.
1. If you give the Vaccine at the height of a Pandemic it will create [b/more not less new strains because they are given a harder environment.
2. The new strains will have to mutate and will be more infectious and possibly more deadly too.
3. With Coronaviruses ADE is far more likely than other deseases and will show up when new strains appear.
4. mRNA is even more likely to cause ADE as well as other Immune system problems.
Later analysis of the Pfizer trials have shown many trialists having COVID symptoms, but they weren't tested, why? Could it be that it would drastically change the Efficacy of the vaccine?
The Japanese data on the Pfizer trials has shown major problems with the Spike Protein which you know and you called Byram Bridle, an associate professor of viral immunology at the University of Guelph in Ontario" on the fringe" and ignored the data. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:30]
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:45 - Jun 20 with 635 views | Catullus |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:53 - Jun 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes but that isn't the whole story is it?
Because the USA and the EU both have reporting systems for Adverse affects of the vaccines which show many more than 41.
The 41 you mention, are they just from Blood Clots or all deaths, does that include the ones who have been Vaccinated and still died of COVID?
The numbers dying of the Delta COVID after vaccination are a major concern.
Here are the latest numbers.
Hospitalised Unvaccinated = 527
Hospitalised Vaccinated = 219, (135 with 1 dose and 84 with 2 doses)
Unvaccinated died = 34 which is 6.5% of those hospitalised
Vaccinated died = 36 which is 16.4% of those hospitalised
Single Vaccinated died = 10 which is 7.4% of those hospitalised
Double Vaccinated died = 26 which is 39% of those hospitalised
So explain to me what those numbers mean to you.
What about the Pfizer Vaccine also given to Milllions of UK residents have you included those in your 42,000,000?
Do you know what the recorded mortality rate is associated with Pfizer & Moderna Vaccines in the USA?
Why is so much higher than the UK?
Why are they killing so many fit young people there?
You have been talking about the immediate short term problems with the Vaccines, do you know what the long term concerns are?
You have made what is known as an "informed decision" without actually being completely informed. |
Where did you get that data from? You can post as many stats as you like but I like to see the source.
Assuming 36 vaccinated people have died, it's a tiny, tiny number out of the millions who've been vaccinated.
The mortality rate in their country, with a different vax is irrelevant to me. I've had 2 doses of AZ. | |
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:51 - Jun 20 with 621 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:45 - Jun 20 by Catullus |
Where did you get that data from? You can post as many stats as you like but I like to see the source.
Assuming 36 vaccinated people have died, it's a tiny, tiny number out of the millions who've been vaccinated.
The mortality rate in their country, with a different vax is irrelevant to me. I've had 2 doses of AZ. |
"The mortality rate in their country, with a different vax is irrelevant to me. I've had 2 doses of AZ. "
Classic I am alright jack attitude.
What about the Millions that had the other vaccines in the UK and all over the world?
The 36 is only for the Delta Variant and it is not the overall number it is how it compares to the Control Group who haven't had the vaccine. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:52 - Jun 20 with 625 views | Scotia |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:35 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
I am not willing it to fail, I am incensed, livid with anger that no one has been listening to the experts on medication and these vaccines for a novel Virus.
They have been ignored, attacked, denigrated and had their characters assassinated.
This is part of a trial, the trial is how well will the new Vaccines work against a new Strain of the Virus.
Yes the case rates and hospitalisations for the Vaccinated have been very good.
In any drug/vaccine clinical studies what are the Final Adverse Effect and the Final Outcome, death is the final Adverse Effect and the final outcome
You appear to have a massive problem with simple arithmetic.
Is 39% greater than 7.4% and greater than 6.5%
You ignore this data with the fact that you assume that "Since most deaths have been 70 plus, I suspect that more granular data will show those where the vaccine has not protected are very old or have another significant condition "
Well why don't you assume exactly the same thing for the Unvaccinated group?
Let's move on to what those top Virogists predicted shall we.
1. If you give the Vaccine at the height of a Pandemic it will create [b/more not less new strains because they are given a harder environment.
2. The new strains will have to mutate and will be more infectious and possibly more deadly too.
3. With Coronaviruses ADE is far more likely than other deseases and will show up when new strains appear.
4. mRNA is even more likely to cause ADE as well as other Immune system problems.
Later analysis of the Pfizer trials have shown many trialists having COVID symptoms, but they weren't tested, why? Could it be that it would drastically change the Efficacy of the vaccine?
The Japanese data on the Pfizer trials has shown major problems with the Spike Protein which you know and you called Byram Bridle, an associate professor of viral immunology at the University of Guelph in Ontario" on the fringe" and ignored the data. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:30]
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Ask the "top virologists" you've googled why point 1 clearly isn't happening in the real world? | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:02 - Jun 20 with 615 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:52 - Jun 20 by Scotia |
Ask the "top virologists" you've googled why point 1 clearly isn't happening in the real world? |
Yes it is, in most places that the Vaccinations have been introduced there has been a spike in cases and a new strain has emerged.
Or aren't you aware of that?
Kent, South Africa, Brazil, India and now Moscow to name the common ones. But how many others are there out there we don't know about? | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:14 - Jun 20 with 609 views | jack_lord |
I'd like to know who is qualified in what field on this forum so I can decide whether I take their posts seriously. |  |
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:19 - Jun 20 with 604 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:14 - Jun 20 by jack_lord |
I'd like to know who is qualified in what field on this forum so I can decide whether I take their posts seriously. |
Don't you mean who the data comes from are qualified and not the person posting?
Perhaps A Nobel winning World Class Virologist would do for you?
Look up Luc Montagnier for his references here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:24 - Jun 20 with 606 views | Catullus |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:51 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The mortality rate in their country, with a different vax is irrelevant to me. I've had 2 doses of AZ. "
Classic I am alright jack attitude.
What about the Millions that had the other vaccines in the UK and all over the world?
The 36 is only for the Delta Variant and it is not the overall number it is how it compares to the Control Group who haven't had the vaccine. |
It's not "I'm alright jack" it is a fact, I've had two AZ doses. How the AZ is performing is what matters to me.
The vast majority of hospitalisations haven't had any vaccine, 65%, as in that story you linked to.
You believe who and what you want to, I've had enough. You say people are disregarding experts well you disregard and/or disagree with the Prof who is as close to an expert as we have on here. He understands the data, he can interpret it, it's what he works with.
The news last night said the AZ jab was 75% effective at preventing serious illness/hopsitalisation, that's good enough for me.
Goodnight Gracie. | |
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:49 - Jun 20 with 600 views | controversial_jack |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 10:45 - Jun 20 by Professor |
The reduction in hospitalisation is excellent, but if you just cherry pick one thing without context it means little. There is no indication of the age or underlying conditions. Since most deaths have been 70 plus, I suspect that more granular data will show those where the vaccine has not protected are very old or have another significant condition
Sadly AFD seems to be the only person willing the vaccine to fail |
Surely, those are the ones who need protection most? [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 12:51]
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| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 13:18 - Jun 20 with 588 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:24 - Jun 20 by Catullus |
It's not "I'm alright jack" it is a fact, I've had two AZ doses. How the AZ is performing is what matters to me.
The vast majority of hospitalisations haven't had any vaccine, 65%, as in that story you linked to.
You believe who and what you want to, I've had enough. You say people are disregarding experts well you disregard and/or disagree with the Prof who is as close to an expert as we have on here. He understands the data, he can interpret it, it's what he works with.
The news last night said the AZ jab was 75% effective at preventing serious illness/hopsitalisation, that's good enough for me.
Goodnight Gracie. |
I am glad you are quite happy with your lot, as you should be. | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 13:21 - Jun 20 with 590 views | Scotia |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:02 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes it is, in most places that the Vaccinations have been introduced there has been a spike in cases and a new strain has emerged.
Or aren't you aware of that?
Kent, South Africa, Brazil, India and now Moscow to name the common ones. But how many others are there out there we don't know about? |
That is exactly what I was referring to. All variants of concern have been discovered before vaccination began or had very recently started.
Kent occurred before Christmas, South Africa at the end of 2020 and Brazil at a similar time. Delta occurred when less than 2% of the population had been vaccinated.
How many variants have arisen in countries with a high degree of vaccination? | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 13:46 - Jun 20 with 585 views | Professor |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:49 - Jun 20 by controversial_jack |
Surely, those are the ones who need protection most? [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 12:51]
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Yes. Without the vaccine a lot more would die. Also explains why the drive to vaccinate care home workers. All vaccines work less well in older people | | | |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 14:44 - Jun 20 with 570 views | jack_lord |
| If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:19 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Don't you mean who the data comes from are qualified and not the person posting?
Perhaps A Nobel winning World Class Virologist would do for you?
Look up Luc Montagnier for his references here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ |
No because I can read everything I want to. I want to know who is qualified in what so I can decide if their posts are valid or based on on bias in the same way as many political posts have been made. | |
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