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If you've had the AZ vaccine 14:21 - Jun 18 with 3870 viewsRonaldStump

You won't get in to see Bruce Springsteen in NYC
Only those that have had the Pfizer Moderna and J&J experimental jab will be allowed.
They are making it up as they go along .


(He She Him)

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 16:01 - Jun 20 with 962 viewsProfessor

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 14:44 - Jun 20 by jack_lord

No because I can read everything I want to. I want to know who is qualified in what so I can decide if their posts are valid or based on on bias in the same way as many political posts have been made.


FYI
Montagnier who won the Nobel for discovery of HIV is one of a small number of scientists who believe something called antibody dependent enhancement may happen. In short presence of antibodies allows the virus to infect cells more easily. It happens in Dengue. However, there is no evidence of this with SARS CoV2 in those re-infected, vaccine trails or the millions vaccinated.
He is well-liked by conspiracy theory types as he is one of the very few scientists who believe this was intentional release. His track record in the last decade is colourful.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:46 - Jun 20 with 904 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 16:01 - Jun 20 by Professor

FYI
Montagnier who won the Nobel for discovery of HIV is one of a small number of scientists who believe something called antibody dependent enhancement may happen. In short presence of antibodies allows the virus to infect cells more easily. It happens in Dengue. However, there is no evidence of this with SARS CoV2 in those re-infected, vaccine trails or the millions vaccinated.
He is well-liked by conspiracy theory types as he is one of the very few scientists who believe this was intentional release. His track record in the last decade is colourful.


Well, I suggest you go and argue the point with Dr Fauci then,as according to his released emails in February 2020 he gave that as the exact reason for not introducing those experimental vaccines.

As you say things change and time will tell, there has to be a reason why mortality rates are higher for hospitalised vaccinated patients than unvaccinated patients when vaccines are supposed to reduce the symptoms of a desease.

I notice you have decided not to discuss the findings of the Japanese part of the Pfizer study and the subsequent studies on the toxicity of the Spike Protein which so concerned Professor Byram Bridle.

I have put the other side of the argument to the posters on here and I am quite happy to leave it at that.

I haven't updated them on the USA Vaccine associated Mortality rate though. Do you know what the Climate Change hockey stick graph looks like?
Well the CDC data up to June 4th is even worse than that, remember when we dsicussed it last, I think it was around the 1000 mark.



The data behind the graph is here
https://www.thegatewaypundit.c

Not only are they unheard of numbers for mortality since the VAERS programme started there are also
2190 Heart attacks
1564 Thrombocytopenia
652 miscarriages
and
4583 left disabled.

Considering that in previous Vaccine debacles like the early Polio and Swine Fever programmes the numbers were only in double figures to get the Vaccine programmes stopped I wonder if there is even an upper limit where COVID is concerned, it doesn't look like it.

ps I hope to whatever diety you believe in that you are right and they are wrong because if they are right it will be one of the biggest medical disasters in modern history and will set back the public's faith in new Vaccines for decades to come.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:54 - Jun 20 with 909 viewsProfessor

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 16:01 - Jun 20 by Professor

FYI
Montagnier who won the Nobel for discovery of HIV is one of a small number of scientists who believe something called antibody dependent enhancement may happen. In short presence of antibodies allows the virus to infect cells more easily. It happens in Dengue. However, there is no evidence of this with SARS CoV2 in those re-infected, vaccine trails or the millions vaccinated.
He is well-liked by conspiracy theory types as he is one of the very few scientists who believe this was intentional release. His track record in the last decade is colourful.


And you are now allowed to see Springsteen with the AZ. If the Boss is your bag.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:35 - Jun 20 with 890 viewsScotia

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 14:44 - Jun 20 by jack_lord

No because I can read everything I want to. I want to know who is qualified in what so I can decide if their posts are valid or based on on bias in the same way as many political posts have been made.


I'd be happy to divulge my cv if anyone is interested.

I'm familiar with a couple of people's credentials on here. One prominent poster has no scientific qualifications at all. In fact I don't think any academic qualifications?

They did however work in Ford's and frequent right wing American websites. They can also use Google.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:53 - Jun 20 with 885 viewsProfessor

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:35 - Jun 20 by Scotia

I'd be happy to divulge my cv if anyone is interested.

I'm familiar with a couple of people's credentials on here. One prominent poster has no scientific qualifications at all. In fact I don't think any academic qualifications?

They did however work in Ford's and frequent right wing American websites. They can also use Google.


As would I.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:17 - Jun 20 with 873 viewsjack_lord

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:35 - Jun 20 by Scotia

I'd be happy to divulge my cv if anyone is interested.

I'm familiar with a couple of people's credentials on here. One prominent poster has no scientific qualifications at all. In fact I don't think any academic qualifications?

They did however work in Ford's and frequent right wing American websites. They can also use Google.


he worked at Ford's? imagine if Im arguing with one of my mates lol

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:41 - Jun 20 with 861 viewsScotia

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:17 - Jun 20 by jack_lord

he worked at Ford's? imagine if Im arguing with one of my mates lol


I reckon you'd remember him.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:50 - Jun 20 with 843 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:17 - Jun 20 by jack_lord

he worked at Ford's? imagine if Im arguing with one of my mates lol


He was talking about me and I doubt very much if you were my mate.
I worked in the Swansea Plant's QC, the most hated dept in the plant.

As to qualifications, being an apprentice toolmaker for the Ministry of Defence and having to get qualifications at night school I only obtained an Ordinary National Certificate in Engineering, with Thermodynamics and Electrical Engineering thrown in.
No luxury of Uni for me, too busy supporting my family.
I then went on and concluded the 1st year of the Higher National Certificate, but a baby, house & job moves to Fords put paid to that.
At Ford's I completed courses in Statistics, Process Control, Database & Systems Design to NCC standards and programming in BASIC and Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) I was trained in 8D Problem Solving and ISO9000 certification.
I can program in Excel and Access, including VBA automation, self taught.
After retiring I worked for free on 2 web based Help Forums helping people build Databases, fix problems in Excel & Access and program them both in VBA. I have 18,000 postings on one forum and 3,000 on the other
However, I am not a plumber but plumbed in Radiators, new taps etc.
I am not an Electrician but I could wire up a plug and diagnose problems with electical equipment.
I am not a Mechanic, but I maintained my own cars, including brakes, exhausts and even the odd Engine rebuild.
I have played Chess at upper Welsh league level.

So as scotia so rightly says I have "no Scientific Qualifications".

Just an appetite for science, engineering and collecting and analysing data.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:04 - Jun 20 with 848 viewsjack_lord

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:41 - Jun 20 by Scotia

I reckon you'd remember him.


I never worked at Ford's but I know a fair few that worked there.

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:13 - Jun 20 with 834 viewsScotia

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:50 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad

He was talking about me and I doubt very much if you were my mate.
I worked in the Swansea Plant's QC, the most hated dept in the plant.

As to qualifications, being an apprentice toolmaker for the Ministry of Defence and having to get qualifications at night school I only obtained an Ordinary National Certificate in Engineering, with Thermodynamics and Electrical Engineering thrown in.
No luxury of Uni for me, too busy supporting my family.
I then went on and concluded the 1st year of the Higher National Certificate, but a baby, house & job moves to Fords put paid to that.
At Ford's I completed courses in Statistics, Process Control, Database & Systems Design to NCC standards and programming in BASIC and Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) I was trained in 8D Problem Solving and ISO9000 certification.
I can program in Excel and Access, including VBA automation, self taught.
After retiring I worked for free on 2 web based Help Forums helping people build Databases, fix problems in Excel & Access and program them both in VBA. I have 18,000 postings on one forum and 3,000 on the other
However, I am not a plumber but plumbed in Radiators, new taps etc.
I am not an Electrician but I could wire up a plug and diagnose problems with electical equipment.
I am not a Mechanic, but I maintained my own cars, including brakes, exhausts and even the odd Engine rebuild.
I have played Chess at upper Welsh league level.

So as scotia so rightly says I have "no Scientific Qualifications".

Just an appetite for science, engineering and collecting and analysing data.


Stop doing the last paragraph, at least in public. It's dangerous.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:27 - Jun 20 with 818 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:13 - Jun 20 by Scotia

Stop doing the last paragraph, at least in public. It's dangerous.


Push off.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 08:43 - Jun 21 with 781 viewsjack_lord

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:50 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad

He was talking about me and I doubt very much if you were my mate.
I worked in the Swansea Plant's QC, the most hated dept in the plant.

As to qualifications, being an apprentice toolmaker for the Ministry of Defence and having to get qualifications at night school I only obtained an Ordinary National Certificate in Engineering, with Thermodynamics and Electrical Engineering thrown in.
No luxury of Uni for me, too busy supporting my family.
I then went on and concluded the 1st year of the Higher National Certificate, but a baby, house & job moves to Fords put paid to that.
At Ford's I completed courses in Statistics, Process Control, Database & Systems Design to NCC standards and programming in BASIC and Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) I was trained in 8D Problem Solving and ISO9000 certification.
I can program in Excel and Access, including VBA automation, self taught.
After retiring I worked for free on 2 web based Help Forums helping people build Databases, fix problems in Excel & Access and program them both in VBA. I have 18,000 postings on one forum and 3,000 on the other
However, I am not a plumber but plumbed in Radiators, new taps etc.
I am not an Electrician but I could wire up a plug and diagnose problems with electical equipment.
I am not a Mechanic, but I maintained my own cars, including brakes, exhausts and even the odd Engine rebuild.
I have played Chess at upper Welsh league level.

So as scotia so rightly says I have "no Scientific Qualifications".

Just an appetite for science, engineering and collecting and analysing data.


You'd have known Terry Williams then.

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 09:15 - Jun 21 with 770 viewsonehunglow

But unable to grasp the imply concept of a killer virus.
Self education can kill
Plumbing,Electrical work and computers. Clearly a genius.

What about our future in Space?

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 09:41 - Jun 21 with 762 viewsjack_lord

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 09:15 - Jun 21 by onehunglow

But unable to grasp the imply concept of a killer virus.
Self education can kill
Plumbing,Electrical work and computers. Clearly a genius.

What about our future in Space?


I rewired my house and put in a new bathroom downstairs in old house. I got a qualified electrician to check everything once complete. So I know about stuff but I got the experts to check it was legal and safe.

I had a quest for knowledge and spent 5 years at university and will get in to a debate on Economics and Politics. I chose to do this after working for a few years after A levels. Bizarre how the world changes as I work in IT because I thought programming and databases was more fun.

I am always open for opinions. When we have a pandemic I want assurance not conspiracy. I want to hear from people who actually work in the field and not those who have read a bit and formed an opinion and are telling me it is a fact. Obviously I may be wrong but that is what I would like to happen. Other opinions are available.

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:05 - Jun 21 with 739 viewsRonaldStump

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 09:15 - Jun 21 by onehunglow

But unable to grasp the imply concept of a killer virus.
Self education can kill
Plumbing,Electrical work and computers. Clearly a genius.

What about our future in Space?


Do you have anything constructive to bring to the table.
Something other than killer virus, your a dangerous man or anything anti fern street.

The propaganda unit of the government has got you well and truly sucked in.

serious question:
Do you think people should have the ability to make their own informed decisions?

(He She Him)

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 12:07 - Jun 21 with 706 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 09:15 - Jun 21 by onehunglow

But unable to grasp the imply concept of a killer virus.
Self education can kill
Plumbing,Electrical work and computers. Clearly a genius.

What about our future in Space?


Yes there should be a glorious future in space.
The only problem is the world point blank refuses to work together for the sake and future of mankind.
They all have their own seperate space programs.
The ISS was a good start, but it has fragmented again since then.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 13:16 - Jun 21 with 696 viewsProfessor

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 11:05 - Jun 21 by RonaldStump

Do you have anything constructive to bring to the table.
Something other than killer virus, your a dangerous man or anything anti fern street.

The propaganda unit of the government has got you well and truly sucked in.

serious question:
Do you think people should have the ability to make their own informed decisions?


At least he knows. You could be being manipulated by anyone.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 13:20 - Jun 21 with 693 viewsProfessor

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:46 - Jun 20 by A_Fans_Dad

Well, I suggest you go and argue the point with Dr Fauci then,as according to his released emails in February 2020 he gave that as the exact reason for not introducing those experimental vaccines.

As you say things change and time will tell, there has to be a reason why mortality rates are higher for hospitalised vaccinated patients than unvaccinated patients when vaccines are supposed to reduce the symptoms of a desease.

I notice you have decided not to discuss the findings of the Japanese part of the Pfizer study and the subsequent studies on the toxicity of the Spike Protein which so concerned Professor Byram Bridle.

I have put the other side of the argument to the posters on here and I am quite happy to leave it at that.

I haven't updated them on the USA Vaccine associated Mortality rate though. Do you know what the Climate Change hockey stick graph looks like?
Well the CDC data up to June 4th is even worse than that, remember when we dsicussed it last, I think it was around the 1000 mark.



The data behind the graph is here
https://www.thegatewaypundit.c

Not only are they unheard of numbers for mortality since the VAERS programme started there are also
2190 Heart attacks
1564 Thrombocytopenia
652 miscarriages
and
4583 left disabled.

Considering that in previous Vaccine debacles like the early Polio and Swine Fever programmes the numbers were only in double figures to get the Vaccine programmes stopped I wonder if there is even an upper limit where COVID is concerned, it doesn't look like it.

ps I hope to whatever diety you believe in that you are right and they are wrong because if they are right it will be one of the biggest medical disasters in modern history and will set back the public's faith in new Vaccines for decades to come.
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" FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines"- as per CDC


Right wing trash data-there is an obligation to report all deaths due to the emergency licensing. Very few will be caused by the vaccine. Bur because you never see the full picture this is what happens. And if you are unvaccinated you better not go out until Delta declines.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 14:14 - Jun 21 with 670 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 13:20 - Jun 21 by Professor

" FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines"- as per CDC


Right wing trash data-there is an obligation to report all deaths due to the emergency licensing. Very few will be caused by the vaccine. Bur because you never see the full picture this is what happens. And if you are unvaccinated you better not go out until Delta declines.


So, you are saying that when hundreds of people die within 24 to 48 hours of having a Vaccination, especially the second one there is no correlation or causation.
OK.
Nothing to do with the FDA & CDC covering their backsides because they have not stopped the programme as historially they would have done for any other Vaccine.

Expert estimation of the VAERS database entries is that it only covers about 10% of the actual cases.

You carry on believing the Government officials, me not so much.

ps the same correlation and causation applies to historic data entries for the old vaccine programmes
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 15:03 - Jun 21 with 650 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Something else not being caused by the Vaccines.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:13 - Jun 21 with 624 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 09:41 - Jun 21 by jack_lord

I rewired my house and put in a new bathroom downstairs in old house. I got a qualified electrician to check everything once complete. So I know about stuff but I got the experts to check it was legal and safe.

I had a quest for knowledge and spent 5 years at university and will get in to a debate on Economics and Politics. I chose to do this after working for a few years after A levels. Bizarre how the world changes as I work in IT because I thought programming and databases was more fun.

I am always open for opinions. When we have a pandemic I want assurance not conspiracy. I want to hear from people who actually work in the field and not those who have read a bit and formed an opinion and are telling me it is a fact. Obviously I may be wrong but that is what I would like to happen. Other opinions are available.


You are entirely welcome to who you want to hear from.

The only minor problem with it is that you are asking for information from people who are very likely to be biased about their own profession.
You don't exactly have much choice of opinions on COVID Vaccines on this Forum do you?

But that is your choice.


ps I am not sure that I can remember Terry Williams, do you know what he did?
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:03 - Jun 21 with 610 viewsProfessor

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 15:03 - Jun 21 by A_Fans_Dad

Something else not being caused by the Vaccines.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne


Clickbait alarmism from the Mail again. Story been around for weeks on social media

I will leave the response from the experts in these areas
https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/new
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:50 - Jun 21 with 589 viewsjack_lord

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 19:13 - Jun 21 by A_Fans_Dad

You are entirely welcome to who you want to hear from.

The only minor problem with it is that you are asking for information from people who are very likely to be biased about their own profession.
You don't exactly have much choice of opinions on COVID Vaccines on this Forum do you?

But that is your choice.


ps I am not sure that I can remember Terry Williams, do you know what he did?


Terry was in charge of the Apprentice school (electricians). Took early retirement in 2001

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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:57 - Jun 21 with 584 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 21:50 - Jun 21 by jack_lord

Terry was in charge of the Apprentice school (electricians). Took early retirement in 2001


No, I didn't have anything to do with that area.
I probably knew him by sight though.
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If you've had the AZ vaccine on 22:04 - Jun 21 with 578 viewsA_Fans_Dad

If you've had the AZ vaccine on 20:03 - Jun 21 by Professor

Clickbait alarmism from the Mail again. Story been around for weeks on social media

I will leave the response from the experts in these areas
https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/new


What you should have said is yet more backside covering with waffle.
But you never do that.
There was nothing in that link to say that those women weren't actually suffering the changes they reported and instead offer excuses for what else it might have been.
I also think that it is despicable that they suggest that those women don't know their own bodies.

Like I said to J. L. You get biased responses when challenging the establishment.
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