| Could the Trust run the club 09:40 - Jul 29 with 4389 views | onehunglow |
Seeing these current owners aint going anywhere,I raise the possiblity |  |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 17:25 - Jul 30 with 843 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:21 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Just a bit of fun. Relax and play with your marbles. |
You continue to describe defaming people as ‘fun’.
Now again, who were you referring to of the new Trust board members as a ‘ social activist person that may have only a passing interest in the beautiful game’ ? | | | |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:40 - Jul 30 with 806 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:25 - Jul 30 by londonlisa2001 |
You continue to describe defaming people as ‘fun’.
Now again, who were you referring to of the new Trust board members as a ‘ social activist person that may have only a passing interest in the beautiful game’ ? |
I am perfectly happy with people of minority interests being involved in the club and I actually applaud it. Why do you see it as defamatory?
Ecological people and minority groups are very welcome as far as I am concerned and I said so in the piece. I also see nothing wrong with non footballing people showing an interest in the club.
The club has two distinct routes it can go down both perfectly viable. Te Burnley Model or the Exeter model. |  |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 17:47 - Jul 30 with 799 views | Catullus |
| Could the Trust run the club on 12:56 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I have done a little back of an envelope sums. Here is my view.
Under Huw Jenkins's leader ship the great man delivered for the SCST and other shareholders over the period 2002 -2016 and annual return of just under 20% per year on average. This is 40 times time what you will get from their bank today with an ISA bond.
This benefited from the concept of compound interest. This means all markup were reinvested and no cash taken or dividends paid (in general) . Therefore Investors looking for growth benefited (the sellers). Investors looking for income lost (The non sellers) if the overall value of the club dropped. A simple failed strategy it seems to me.
All the shareholders except one were ecstatic at this performance. It has to be accepted that football is a highly volatile investment. The non sellers wanted dividends. Profits were recorded as all surplus cash was pumped into Infrastructure and players increasing the sale value of the club. No profits mean no corporation tax. Once the infrastructure was complete the club was put up for sale as I understand it.
My £5 put in a bucket in 2002 was worth £500 in 2016 and roughly £150 today perhaps. If I invested it in a cash ISA I reckon at a guess the £5 would be worth about £6 or or £7 perhaps (as ISA rates were quite high around the millenium period).
Due to inflation which i was low and falling the £5 would be worth in real term s probably Between £4 and £4.50. Football inflation is greater. I used to pay about £10 to watch the Swans play under Brian Flynn at he crumbling and frankly unsafe Vetch field
Hope that helps. |
It doesn't help. It's a load of nonsense. Your £5 in the bucket wasn't invested in the Swans. It didn't buy you any shares, it got you nothing of value, you may as well have given it to a homeless person.
Huw Jenkins went on to make decisions tht put the Swans into financial hardship, his decisons ultimately led to relegation, he/they sold the club but kept the trust out of it taking away their chance to cash in too. The clubs value today has dropped significantly and so has the value of your non investment.
There's a warning everybody gets when they invest, the value of your "investment" can go down as well as up. Just like you said about the trust, you should gave cashed in when the value was at it's highest. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 17:52 - Jul 30 with 795 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:40 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am perfectly happy with people of minority interests being involved in the club and I actually applaud it. Why do you see it as defamatory?
Ecological people and minority groups are very welcome as far as I am concerned and I said so in the piece. I also see nothing wrong with non footballing people showing an interest in the club.
The club has two distinct routes it can go down both perfectly viable. Te Burnley Model or the Exeter model. |
“ These are social activists that put social inclusion above team performance and aspiration.”.
“ have only a passing interest in the beautiful game, ”
“ A little backward perhaps”
“ Community low aspiration low risk touchy feely pink laced coffee morning club ”.
Those are defamatory statements about Trust Board members. You have literally said they are putting social interest above the performance of the team and above aspiration.
Now, again, who are you referring to as a ‘social activist with only a passing interest in the beautiful game’.
Who are you now referring to as ‘people of minority interests’? Or ‘non footballing people’.
Come on. Tell us. | | | |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:58 - Jul 30 with 792 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:47 - Jul 30 by Catullus |
It doesn't help. It's a load of nonsense. Your £5 in the bucket wasn't invested in the Swans. It didn't buy you any shares, it got you nothing of value, you may as well have given it to a homeless person.
Huw Jenkins went on to make decisions tht put the Swans into financial hardship, his decisons ultimately led to relegation, he/they sold the club but kept the trust out of it taking away their chance to cash in too. The clubs value today has dropped significantly and so has the value of your non investment.
There's a warning everybody gets when they invest, the value of your "investment" can go down as well as up. Just like you said about the trust, you should gave cashed in when the value was at it's highest. |
Huw Jenkins is the greatest chairman the club has ever had. You are clueless. Financial hardship and tough decisions are part of the job.
Since 2002 he put the club on an upward trajectory. 14 consecutive seasons of growth. In 2016 the owners decided they could not sustain Premier league costs and he sold some not all of his shares.
The economic challenges of relegation have been successfully navigated and and selling quality players from the academy set up by Jenkins and other have eased the transition.
The SCST bought in the rusting environmental and safety hazard that was the Vetch and now part own top drawer facilities they have not put a penny of their own to develop. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 18:22 - Jul 30 with 759 views | waynekerr55 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:21 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Just a bit of fun. Relax and play with your marbles. |
Yeah, a bit of fun. Go back to the Play Dough... |  |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 18:24 - Jul 30 with 756 views | waynekerr55 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:58 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Huw Jenkins is the greatest chairman the club has ever had. You are clueless. Financial hardship and tough decisions are part of the job.
Since 2002 he put the club on an upward trajectory. 14 consecutive seasons of growth. In 2016 the owners decided they could not sustain Premier league costs and he sold some not all of his shares.
The economic challenges of relegation have been successfully navigated and and selling quality players from the academy set up by Jenkins and other have eased the transition.
The SCST bought in the rusting environmental and safety hazard that was the Vetch and now part own top drawer facilities they have not put a penny of their own to develop. |
He was superb, you're right. He completely lost his midas touch post Laudrup and we are paying the costs of his awful transfer policy.
He should have walked after the sale and, for balance, I wouldn't have begrudged him that. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 18:54 - Jul 30 with 737 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 18:24 - Jul 30 by waynekerr55 |
He was superb, you're right. He completely lost his midas touch post Laudrup and we are paying the costs of his awful transfer policy.
He should have walked after the sale and, for balance, I wouldn't have begrudged him that. |
He was unlucky . Resigning Bony was a mistake. The two Ayew brothers, Clucas Sanches and Abraham should have got the club through. No one could have predicted Sanches's personal implosion. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 18:59 - Jul 30 with 731 views | waynekerr55 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 18:54 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
He was unlucky . Resigning Bony was a mistake. The two Ayew brothers, Clucas Sanches and Abraham should have got the club through. No one could have predicted Sanches's personal implosion. |
That's not unlucky that's poor recruitment and went against everything he did well. Ayew couldn't get a game, Clucas had knees made of weetabix and Borja was, well... | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 20:07 - Jul 30 with 688 views | onehunglow |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:40 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am perfectly happy with people of minority interests being involved in the club and I actually applaud it. Why do you see it as defamatory?
Ecological people and minority groups are very welcome as far as I am concerned and I said so in the piece. I also see nothing wrong with non footballing people showing an interest in the club.
The club has two distinct routes it can go down both perfectly viable. Te Burnley Model or the Exeter model. |
II see you're slagging off my former username on PS.
I also see pure filth and why-because I was in favour of the sale.
Ive made that clear Cimla boy.
Meanwhile,the sky cries.
To clarrify,yes perch really did want the sale,as did the majority,all of whom would not have the guts to admit so. They lie that they knew all along that it was doomed.
When it turned out the sale was bad for us,people like me saw their 'rse o no real need to continue this narrative is it. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 20:37 - Jul 30 with 652 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 18:54 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
He was unlucky . Resigning Bony was a mistake. The two Ayew brothers, Clucas Sanches and Abraham should have got the club through. No one could have predicted Sanches's personal implosion. |
You still haven’t responded to the question.
Which new Trust Board member were you referring to as a ‘social activist person that may have only a passing interest in the beautiful game’ ?
Which members were you referring to with your comments that said “These are social activists that put social inclusion above team performance and aspiration.”.
Because it appears to me that you are not only deeply misinformed about many things, and ignorant about others, but you are all too keen to throw about accusations and yet too cowardly to explain them when challenged.
The accusations that some board members have only a passing interest in the club is appalling. These are people that are giving up their free time to work on behalf of supporters for no reward. The irony of you criticising them in ‘fun’ while repeatedly praising some who to be frank couldn’t find Swansea on a map let alone direct you to the stadium is not lost on anyone with an ounce of decency.
On a more general note, this is, yet again, a free for all slag off the Trust thread when the site moderators know, as they have been told, that the Trust should not now respond due to the legal situation. And yet posters, hiding behind anonymous usernames, continue to criticise, misrepresent and downright lie about the Trust and Board members.
It’s a truly shocking state of affairs. | | | |
| Could the Trust run the club on 20:53 - Jul 30 with 639 views | onehunglow |
| Could the Trust run the club on 20:37 - Jul 30 by londonlisa2001 |
You still haven’t responded to the question.
Which new Trust Board member were you referring to as a ‘social activist person that may have only a passing interest in the beautiful game’ ?
Which members were you referring to with your comments that said “These are social activists that put social inclusion above team performance and aspiration.”.
Because it appears to me that you are not only deeply misinformed about many things, and ignorant about others, but you are all too keen to throw about accusations and yet too cowardly to explain them when challenged.
The accusations that some board members have only a passing interest in the club is appalling. These are people that are giving up their free time to work on behalf of supporters for no reward. The irony of you criticising them in ‘fun’ while repeatedly praising some who to be frank couldn’t find Swansea on a map let alone direct you to the stadium is not lost on anyone with an ounce of decency.
On a more general note, this is, yet again, a free for all slag off the Trust thread when the site moderators know, as they have been told, that the Trust should not now respond due to the legal situation. And yet posters, hiding behind anonymous usernames, continue to criticise, misrepresent and downright lie about the Trust and Board members.
It’s a truly shocking state of affairs. |
You wont find me slagging off the Trust or attacking any individual. I don't want any Trust official to reply not that they would openly. Fans have a right to an opinion and express it without the utter trash talk that is seen. People get off on it ,clearly.
I question the Trust .Simple as. This is seen as slagging off and posters referred to as vile /poison/scum. You support this .
Slagging off is a much overused and trite phrase which is unusual for a woman of your interlect to utilise.
Now then,glad to have made matters clear to you.
People should ,indeed are,free to criticise any public body. Free Speech. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 21:00 - Jul 30 with 624 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 20:53 - Jul 30 by onehunglow |
You wont find me slagging off the Trust or attacking any individual. I don't want any Trust official to reply not that they would openly. Fans have a right to an opinion and express it without the utter trash talk that is seen. People get off on it ,clearly.
I question the Trust .Simple as. This is seen as slagging off and posters referred to as vile /poison/scum. You support this .
Slagging off is a much overused and trite phrase which is unusual for a woman of your interlect to utilise.
Now then,glad to have made matters clear to you.
People should ,indeed are,free to criticise any public body. Free Speech. |
Why on Earth would you imagine I was talking about you when I creaky quoted a different poster?
I assume the ‘woman of your interlect’ bit was ironic? | | | |
| Could the Trust run the club on 21:07 - Jul 30 with 609 views | Dr_Winston |
In an ideal world the club would be Trust owned and run. It's the only way to be absolutely sure that the future welbeing of it is the primary interest, now and forever. Unfortunately given the general apathy shown toward the Trust by the majority of the support that's not going to happen, nor should it.
That's partly the Trust's fault for allowing itself to get into a position of such irrelevance despite being a major shareholder, but mostly the fault of a largely apathetic support full of people happy to chopse but slow to volunteer to do better. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 21:07 - Jul 30 with 608 views | onehunglow |
| Could the Trust run the club on 21:00 - Jul 30 by londonlisa2001 |
Why on Earth would you imagine I was talking about you when I creaky quoted a different poster?
I assume the ‘woman of your interlect’ bit was ironic? |
Your second paragraph is the reason why.
You underestimate me,ma'am.
I 'll you straight,I wanted the sale .Does that mean it is right to be called pure filth, Does anyone who asks questions regarding the trust deserve approbation.
Many like me wanted the club sold .Many like me thought (wrongly) it would benefit us.
Nobody should get off now about the fact it went belly up.
Now ,a decent respectful reply please lisa.
We can bury this mutual contempt ,trust me. Outside forces are toxic on forums.Rememeber that. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 21:42 - Jul 30 with 584 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Could the Trust run the club on 21:07 - Jul 30 by onehunglow |
Your second paragraph is the reason why.
You underestimate me,ma'am.
I 'll you straight,I wanted the sale .Does that mean it is right to be called pure filth, Does anyone who asks questions regarding the trust deserve approbation.
Many like me wanted the club sold .Many like me thought (wrongly) it would benefit us.
Nobody should get off now about the fact it went belly up.
Now ,a decent respectful reply please lisa.
We can bury this mutual contempt ,trust me. Outside forces are toxic on forums.Rememeber that. |
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Where have I called you filth?
Resloven isn’t asking questions. He is repeatedly telling lies, spreading disinformation and slagging off people that have stood up. Which is more than he’s done. He is doing it deliberately. | | | |
| Could the Trust run the club on 22:23 - Jul 30 with 522 views | Catullus |
| Could the Trust run the club on 17:58 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Huw Jenkins is the greatest chairman the club has ever had. You are clueless. Financial hardship and tough decisions are part of the job.
Since 2002 he put the club on an upward trajectory. 14 consecutive seasons of growth. In 2016 the owners decided they could not sustain Premier league costs and he sold some not all of his shares.
The economic challenges of relegation have been successfully navigated and and selling quality players from the academy set up by Jenkins and other have eased the transition.
The SCST bought in the rusting environmental and safety hazard that was the Vetch and now part own top drawer facilities they have not put a penny of their own to develop. |
The problem was Jenkins bad decisions caused the financial hardship. His exclusion of the trust from the sale prevented them cashing in as you have always said they should. That's why the court ase is going ahead. We'll see what a court says.
The new owners navigated relegation.
Jenkins kept a small amount of his shares, have you not wondered why? He made millions but kept a few (was it 5%) for some reason?
The trust did put money in when they bought the shares. They were not set up to make ongoing financila investments, it was never their raison d'etre. Out of interest, how much money did Jenkins or the others who sold up put in out of their pockets? Though obviously since then they have been very generously rewarded, an opportunity they denied the trust. These nice, modern facilities though, HJ didn't pay for them, the club did. Or are you saying HJ paid for them personally?
14 consecutive seasons of growth, all that pogress ruined on the back of some terrible decisions. I'm not knocking their decisoon to sell but I will ask, when HJ said the new owners were the ones to take us to the next level, did he honestly believe they were about to invest heavily in the club?
Fortunately the new owners stabilised us and have steered us through an awful period for football. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 09:40 - Jul 31 with 443 views | onehunglow |
| Could the Trust run the club on 21:42 - Jul 30 by londonlisa2001 |
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Where have I called you filth?
Resloven isn’t asking questions. He is repeatedly telling lies, spreading disinformation and slagging off people that have stood up. Which is more than he’s done. He is doing it deliberately. |
Have I ever stated YOU had,but you support those who do.
As for defaming ,you are no angel yourself MS.
I pretty much detest resolven content but jut stick to what he posts. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 09:42 - Jul 31 with 441 views | onehunglow |
So it would seem the Trust could not run the club.
If it's not running the club,how can it protect pro football in Swansea.#
It 's a mute point | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 10:35 - Jul 31 with 417 views | 3swan |
| Could the Trust run the club on 09:42 - Jul 31 by onehunglow |
So it would seem the Trust could not run the club.
If it's not running the club,how can it protect pro football in Swansea.#
It 's a mute point |
Part of the protection was if the Trust could get to 25% shareholding. This was achievable given time. Unfortunately this is now unachievable due to voting rights being given away by the sellers who kept a small percentage of shares. The 25% would not have them running the club but as I understand would offer in legal terms a protection in the running of the club. | | | |
| Could the Trust run the club on 10:39 - Jul 31 with 415 views | onehunglow |
| Could the Trust run the club on 10:35 - Jul 31 by 3swan |
Part of the protection was if the Trust could get to 25% shareholding. This was achievable given time. Unfortunately this is now unachievable due to voting rights being given away by the sellers who kept a small percentage of shares. The 25% would not have them running the club but as I understand would offer in legal terms a protection in the running of the club. |
Some cracking perchposts on PS aren’t there.
15 yrs says Dr Winston. | |
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| Could the Trust run the club on 10:42 - Jul 31 with 412 views | onehunglow |
| Could the Trust run the club on 10:35 - Jul 31 by 3swan |
Part of the protection was if the Trust could get to 25% shareholding. This was achievable given time. Unfortunately this is now unachievable due to voting rights being given away by the sellers who kept a small percentage of shares. The 25% would not have them running the club but as I understand would offer in legal terms a protection in the running of the club. |
Clive.
Thank you for that.
It s the most respectful and apposite reply I’ve received.
You shame many by your dignified posting.
No wool was used in the making of this post. | |
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