| 2024 Presidential race 22:26 - Nov 4 with 6127 views | Dr_Parnassus |
As good a time as any to start the madness and have a couple of years worth of back and forth of opinions.
My prediction last year was that Biden unfortunately will probably just win, he did. Next election I absolutely think Trump comes in for his second term, I made that clear very early on.
Not a great night for the Democrats, losing the Virginia gubernatorial election. Not great signs for them in next year's midterms or for Biden's prospects of re-election.
I also think he will be allowed to run the country free of mass interference from the media too and believe that the social warriors will be far too beaten down by 4 years of Biden/Harris to kick up much of a fuss past the initial anger that their enemy is being voted in again.
I think deep down it’s dawning on people that whether you like him as a person or not, his administration is far better than the realistic alternatives and the negatives of his Presidency (riots, violence, domestic unrest) are aspects created by the complainants and the media themselves.
The country needs economic regrowth and proper international leadership currently. It’s fair to say Biden has been a disaster on both fronts, as many assumed would be the case.
So the race for 2024 begins.
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| 2024 Presidential race on 01:14 - Nov 18 with 1113 views | DJack |
Surprised DrP hasn't mentioned this one as he so concerned about voter fraud...
It turns out that the Lt. Gov of Texas paid out a voter fraud bounty. This bounty was paid to a progressive Democrat who caught a Trump supporter trying to vote twice.
It also transpired that the fraudster was trying to vote as his son, who's a Democrat...Makes you wonder, eh!
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| 2024 Presidential race on 01:17 - Nov 18 with 1111 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 01:14 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Surprised DrP hasn't mentioned this one as he so concerned about voter fraud...
It turns out that the Lt. Gov of Texas paid out a voter fraud bounty. This bounty was paid to a progressive Democrat who caught a Trump supporter trying to vote twice.
It also transpired that the fraudster was trying to vote as his son, who's a Democrat...Makes you wonder, eh!
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Did you address that to the wrong poster there?
Voter fraud? I’m the one stating there probably wasn’t anywhere near enough to swing the election. Why does that make you think I’m “so concerned” about it?
Or were you just being silly?
Try not to turn this thread into the last one you obsessed about and trolled us all with meaningless links.
If you have a view on the 2024 election then please air it. Otherwise that type of nonsense belongs on the other thread.
Thanks. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 1:18]
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| 2024 Presidential race on 01:32 - Nov 18 with 1107 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 01:17 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Did you address that to the wrong poster there?
Voter fraud? I’m the one stating there probably wasn’t anywhere near enough to swing the election. Why does that make you think I’m “so concerned” about it?
Or were you just being silly?
Try not to turn this thread into the last one you obsessed about and trolled us all with meaningless links.
If you have a view on the 2024 election then please air it. Otherwise that type of nonsense belongs on the other thread.
Thanks. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 1:18]
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Just like you, I'll post what I want, when I want. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 02:15 - Nov 18 with 1081 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 01:17 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Did you address that to the wrong poster there?
Voter fraud? I’m the one stating there probably wasn’t anywhere near enough to swing the election. Why does that make you think I’m “so concerned” about it?
Or were you just being silly?
Try not to turn this thread into the last one you obsessed about and trolled us all with meaningless links.
If you have a view on the 2024 election then please air it. Otherwise that type of nonsense belongs on the other thread.
Thanks. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 1:18]
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Did you or did you not state...
“Cheating is a guarantee, on a scale probably never seen before in an election. It’s already underway and documented.
I just hope it’s not enough to sway the election.”
I'd call that concerned. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 02:24 - Nov 18 with 1078 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 02:15 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Did you or did you not state...
“Cheating is a guarantee, on a scale probably never seen before in an election. It’s already underway and documented.
I just hope it’s not enough to sway the election.”
I'd call that concerned. |
I did yes. I have no doubt we saw more fraud in the last election than any other previous, it’s common sense considering it was a record turnout.
But here you said, if I “am” concerned, not if I “was” concerned.
So are you taking posts from me before the investigations and attributing it to the present day knowing full well that since then I am satisfied that it wasn’t on a scale big enough to swing the election as a result of those investigations?
That’s very dishonest of you.
What a silly post. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 02:25 - Nov 18 with 1077 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 01:32 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Just like you, I'll post what I want, when I want. |
Of course.
But try and keep the lying and the trolling to a minimum for the sake of the rest of the forum. More of a request than a demand. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 02:43 - Nov 18 with 1070 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 02:24 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
I did yes. I have no doubt we saw more fraud in the last election than any other previous, it’s common sense considering it was a record turnout.
But here you said, if I “am” concerned, not if I “was” concerned.
So are you taking posts from me before the investigations and attributing it to the present day knowing full well that since then I am satisfied that it wasn’t on a scale big enough to swing the election as a result of those investigations?
That’s very dishonest of you.
What a silly post. |
Blah, blah blah. You knew the facts from day one as data is your job as you regularly inform us.. You presented your comments as a narrative for idiots to swallow whole during the election.
You're the dishonest one | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 02:45 - Nov 18 with 1069 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 01:17 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Did you address that to the wrong poster there?
Voter fraud? I’m the one stating there probably wasn’t anywhere near enough to swing the election. Why does that make you think I’m “so concerned” about it?
Or were you just being silly?
Try not to turn this thread into the last one you obsessed about and trolled us all with meaningless links.
If you have a view on the 2024 election then please air it. Otherwise that type of nonsense belongs on the other thread.
Thanks. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 1:18]
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Any comments on the attempt of voter fraud? | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 02:49 - Nov 18 with 1067 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 02:25 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course.
But try and keep the lying and the trolling to a minimum for the sake of the rest of the forum. More of a request than a demand. |
You claim that "Cheating is a guarantee, on a scale probably never seen before in an election." is fine as a statement as it is mitigated by the larger turnout! It was you pushing a narrative as usual.
Wishing you sex and travel you disengenuous troll. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 03:13 - Nov 18 with 1050 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 02:45 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Any comments on the attempt of voter fraud? |
What kind of comments do you want?
Nobody should partake in voter fraud of any kind. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 03:17 - Nov 18 with 1048 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 02:49 - Nov 18 by DJack |
You claim that "Cheating is a guarantee, on a scale probably never seen before in an election." is fine as a statement as it is mitigated by the larger turnout! It was you pushing a narrative as usual.
Wishing you sex and travel you disengenuous troll. |
I do yes, and your issue with that is what?
- biggest voter turnout in history
- medium of largest voter fraud method (postal) having its largest proportion of vote in history
- most partisan election in modern history
I think it’s safe to say there was more fraud in this election than any other. You would need to be an absolute moron not to.
As I said at the time, whether it’s on a scale large enough to swing an election we shall see. Since the investigations I don’t happen to think so.
Chalk this up as another DJack fail. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 11:42 - Nov 18 with 1005 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 03:17 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
I do yes, and your issue with that is what?
- biggest voter turnout in history
- medium of largest voter fraud method (postal) having its largest proportion of vote in history
- most partisan election in modern history
I think it’s safe to say there was more fraud in this election than any other. You would need to be an absolute moron not to.
As I said at the time, whether it’s on a scale large enough to swing an election we shall see. Since the investigations I don’t happen to think so.
Chalk this up as another DJack fail. |
I've not mentioned "whether it’s on a scale large enough to swing an election"
I mentioned your concern, just like your other posts...
“Just so everyone tuning in is fully up to date with breaking news that will probably feature in the debates, there is some serious stories emerging from Minneapolis of Democrat voter fraud.”
“I think this universal mail in system is a huge chance of winning it for the Democrats. Especially when you add in the high chance of voter fraud and vote harvesting from them which is being seen and documented as we speak."
“He is rightly refusing to provide the USPS with extra government funding to conduct universal mail in voting, a system open to corruption. A Democrat suggestion.” | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 11:44 - Nov 18 with 1003 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 03:13 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
What kind of comments do you want?
Nobody should partake in voter fraud of any kind. |
Great. Perhaps now you can stop pushing the lie that its a Democrat thing. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 11:50 - Nov 18 with 998 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 11:42 - Nov 18 by DJack |
I've not mentioned "whether it’s on a scale large enough to swing an election"
I mentioned your concern, just like your other posts...
“Just so everyone tuning in is fully up to date with breaking news that will probably feature in the debates, there is some serious stories emerging from Minneapolis of Democrat voter fraud.”
“I think this universal mail in system is a huge chance of winning it for the Democrats. Especially when you add in the high chance of voter fraud and vote harvesting from them which is being seen and documented as we speak."
“He is rightly refusing to provide the USPS with extra government funding to conduct universal mail in voting, a system open to corruption. A Democrat suggestion.” |
You are doing the exact same thing.
Taking concerns I has PRIOR to the investigations, knowing full well that since the investigations my concerns have been satisfied that it was not on a scale big enough to swing an election (not that i ever claimed it would be)... and attributing those concerns to the present day.
Again, very dishonest of you and you can chalk up as another fail.
Get with the programme, you are making yourself look silly and wasting an awful lot of your time. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 12:12 - Nov 18 with 985 views | DJack |
| 2024 Presidential race on 11:50 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
You are doing the exact same thing.
Taking concerns I has PRIOR to the investigations, knowing full well that since the investigations my concerns have been satisfied that it was not on a scale big enough to swing an election (not that i ever claimed it would be)... and attributing those concerns to the present day.
Again, very dishonest of you and you can chalk up as another fail.
Get with the programme, you are making yourself look silly and wasting an awful lot of your time. |
Deflection.
As I noted earlier you are the data guy and you knew the facts before the election you just chose to push a narrative.
It is you being dishonest. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 12:18 - Nov 18 with 976 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 12:12 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Deflection.
As I noted earlier you are the data guy and you knew the facts before the election you just chose to push a narrative.
It is you being dishonest. |
Where is the deflection?
You said I’m concerned about voter fraud.
In order to prove that you are showing comments prior to all the investigations highlighting my concerns and pretending that they haven’t since been satisfied.
Absolutely nothing dishonest about that, apart from you intentionally misrepresenting reality of course. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 16:07 - Nov 18 with 946 views | Catullus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 02:24 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
I did yes. I have no doubt we saw more fraud in the last election than any other previous, it’s common sense considering it was a record turnout.
But here you said, if I “am” concerned, not if I “was” concerned.
So are you taking posts from me before the investigations and attributing it to the present day knowing full well that since then I am satisfied that it wasn’t on a scale big enough to swing the election as a result of those investigations?
That’s very dishonest of you.
What a silly post. |
You and your common sense again. What it actually is, is an assumption. You assumed there would be more voter fraud because of the increase in postal votes.
Common sense would say, wait until there is evidence to back up the assumption. Just because something could happen, it doesn't mean it will happen.
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Trump's own administration said it was the most secure election in US history. So said William Barr just before he resigned, allegedly under pressure from above after his statements conflicted with Trumps claims about fraud. |  |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 01:48 - Nov 19 with 901 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 16:07 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
You and your common sense again. What it actually is, is an assumption. You assumed there would be more voter fraud because of the increase in postal votes.
Common sense would say, wait until there is evidence to back up the assumption. Just because something could happen, it doesn't mean it will happen.
https://medium.com/discourse/v
Trump's own administration said it was the most secure election in US history. So said William Barr just before he resigned, allegedly under pressure from above after his statements conflicted with Trumps claims about fraud. |
Indeed, an assumption based on the principle of common sense.
It’s saying if there is 10 fraud votes per 100,000 in a vote of 50 million, mainly from a method of voting that makes up 20% of the vote… then it’s common sense to state that there will be more in a vote of 100 million where that method of voting makes up 60% of the vote.
Again it’s common sense and a view I still absolutely hold.
If there was evidence to back it up at the time of the assumption, then you are no longer in the assumption stage, you are at the fact stage. There would be no assumption necessary.
Secure in terms of what? International interference? That isn’t what is being discussed. You are using a link to a discussion on international interference due to the much forgotten 2016 election fraud claims by the Democrats regarding Russia.
Sorry you have lost me with that post.
Why are we still discussing the voter fraud of the last election in a 2024/5 Presidential race? Most of us are now fairly satisfied that any fraud did not affect the outcome, are we not?
Moving on then… [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 2:07]
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| 2024 Presidential race on 10:13 - Nov 19 with 857 views | Catullus |
I wasn't discussing it, you were when YOU stated you had no doubt there had been more fraud in the last election. I was merely pointing out you were assuming more fraud without any real evidence.
You rely on your own common sense and dismiss others opinions because, in your own view, you are always right. Common sense is subjective though, each individual uses their life experience and knowledge, their class, occupation, colour, religion all come into it and as such an individuals idea of common sense may not be objective. That is why, as I have said several times, you appear to be a Trump supporter. Even though you cannot see it (because you are not being objective about your own opinions) you show innate bias towards Trump. | |
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| 2024 Presidential race on 10:18 - Nov 19 with 856 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 10:13 - Nov 19 by Catullus |
I wasn't discussing it, you were when YOU stated you had no doubt there had been more fraud in the last election. I was merely pointing out you were assuming more fraud without any real evidence.
You rely on your own common sense and dismiss others opinions because, in your own view, you are always right. Common sense is subjective though, each individual uses their life experience and knowledge, their class, occupation, colour, religion all come into it and as such an individuals idea of common sense may not be objective. That is why, as I have said several times, you appear to be a Trump supporter. Even though you cannot see it (because you are not being objective about your own opinions) you show innate bias towards Trump. |
I was discussing it last year yes, I was in no doubt and remain in no doubt. The evidence points to that because of the data we have on previous elections, the medium of this election plus the video evidence from the poll houses themselves.
The question was always 'was it enough?'. I didn't know at the time, I wanted to see the investigations. I have seen them since and happy enough.
Not sure what your point is?
Common sense is not subjective. If you state that usually there is 5% fraud, 90% of which comes from a medium that makes up 20% of the vote... it is common sense to use those principles to predict the outcome in a 100m vote with 60% that medium.
Maybe what you mean is you don't like the fact that common sense sides with my views because you would prefer to believe the opposite?
I show zero bias towards Trump, only in so much I think he is a better President than Biden. That isn't bias, that's just a statement backed by data. You certainly show anti-Trump bias though.
Partisan.
If I say Messi is a better goal scorer that Bafe Gomis, am I being biased? or is that view based on real events and data?
If someone says ''Messi is rubbish despite what he has achieved''. I would say common sense suggests that is incorrect. That is not bias, common sense is not subjective there either.
Is me saying Messi is good bias?
You decide. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 10:26]
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| 2024 Presidential race on 10:28 - Nov 19 with 843 views | Catullus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 10:18 - Nov 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
I was discussing it last year yes, I was in no doubt and remain in no doubt. The evidence points to that because of the data we have on previous elections, the medium of this election plus the video evidence from the poll houses themselves.
The question was always 'was it enough?'. I didn't know at the time, I wanted to see the investigations. I have seen them since and happy enough.
Not sure what your point is?
Common sense is not subjective. If you state that usually there is 5% fraud, 90% of which comes from a medium that makes up 20% of the vote... it is common sense to use those principles to predict the outcome in a 100m vote with 60% that medium.
Maybe what you mean is you don't like the fact that common sense sides with my views because you would prefer to believe the opposite?
I show zero bias towards Trump, only in so much I think he is a better President than Biden. That isn't bias, that's just a statement backed by data. You certainly show anti-Trump bias though.
Partisan.
If I say Messi is a better goal scorer that Bafe Gomis, am I being biased? or is that view based on real events and data?
If someone says ''Messi is rubbish despite what he has achieved''. I would say common sense suggests that is incorrect. That is not bias, common sense is not subjective there either.
Is me saying Messi is good bias?
You decide. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 10:26]
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Maybe you should ask a psychologist, they think common sense is subjective.
That word again, which you clearly do not understand, to be against Trump does not make me a supporter of Biden or Harris. To fail to understand that simple fact leaves open a question over your intelligence.
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| 2024 Presidential race on 10:31 - Nov 19 with 834 views | CountyJim |
Any reason why they only have two parties I can remember one bloke standing as independent in 80s or 90s can't remember but he was loaded |  | | |
| 2024 Presidential race on 10:35 - Nov 19 with 831 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 10:28 - Nov 19 by Catullus |
Maybe you should ask a psychologist, they think common sense is subjective.
That word again, which you clearly do not understand, to be against Trump does not make me a supporter of Biden or Harris. To fail to understand that simple fact leaves open a question over your intelligence.
https://www.123helpme.com/essa |
I do not need to ask anyone, common sense is not subjective. Whether people follow that common sense way of thinking is subjective, but common sense itself is not subjective.
It is common sense not to jump out of an airplane without a parachute if your goal is to survive. Just because someone may not agree it does not mean the principle is subjective.
We will never agree on common sense because your definition of common sense is ''things that are convenient to me''. Mine is based on actual common sense, based on fact, trends, data, achievements. Things that can be measured.
I perfectly understand the word partisan, but I do love the fact you of all people are questioning someone's intelligence. 
''Prejudiced in favour of a particular cause.''. There was a two horse race, you were prejudiced (and continue to be) in favour of the cause to not re-elect him.
Partisan.
Sorry if you don't like it. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 10:41]
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| 2024 Presidential race on 10:37 - Nov 19 with 829 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 2024 Presidential race on 10:31 - Nov 19 by CountyJim |
Any reason why they only have two parties I can remember one bloke standing as independent in 80s or 90s can't remember but he was loaded |
You can have independents.
Kanye West ran for example. Jo Jorgensen was another. | |
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