| Welsh assembly members 10:37 - May 10 with 7777 views | raynor94 |
Going to be increased from 60 to 96 members by 2026.
Some new troughs are going to be needed to fit all those extra snouts in.
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| Welsh assembly members on 12:03 - May 11 with 1302 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 11:25 - May 11 by Whiterockin |
Probably because they think its pointless as Labour always get in. |
yes, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. If the non voters want change, they have to make it happen.
You don't get what you want by not taking part. |  | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 12:22 - May 11 with 1287 views | Boundy |
| Welsh assembly members on 12:03 - May 11 by Lorax |
yes, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. If the non voters want change, they have to make it happen.
You don't get what you want by not taking part. |
I agree , but I couldn't vote for a party whose track record in Wales is abysmal and the others of little or no substance . | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 13:51 - May 11 with 1260 views | felixstowe_jack |
That is the trouble with the SENEDD only about 45% of people can be bothered to vote. | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 16:01 - May 11 with 1225 views | Scotia |
| Welsh assembly members on 10:56 - May 11 by Lorax |
The real problem is that so many people do not vote. I get tired of repeating it but the heralded labour mandate equates to roughly only 16-20% of the electorate. Over 50% didn't vote and if they did then maybe there would be change.
We're not in this mess because of people who do vote, we're in it because of people who don't. |
I'd be happy for voting to be made compulsory. Or rather returning a ballot paper, even if that is an abstention. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 16:09 - May 11 with 1222 views | Boundy |
| Welsh assembly members on 16:01 - May 11 by Scotia |
I'd be happy for voting to be made compulsory. Or rather returning a ballot paper, even if that is an abstention. |
If it was compulsory, at the moment my view on politics would mean I would spoil my ballot paper , which is the same as not voting , at least with a low turn being measured the powers can see that there is a problem with voter apathy .which in the long term not good for the future of this country | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 17:56 - May 11 with 1204 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 16:09 - May 11 by Boundy |
If it was compulsory, at the moment my view on politics would mean I would spoil my ballot paper , which is the same as not voting , at least with a low turn being measured the powers can see that there is a problem with voter apathy .which in the long term not good for the future of this country |
The powers that be are probably entirely happy with the way things are. if the others decided to vote, they may choose a different party.
I'm 100% with the idea of compulsory voting and having a "none of the above" box so we could reject them all. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 18:19 - May 11 with 1184 views | Whiterockin |
| Welsh assembly members on 16:01 - May 11 by Scotia |
I'd be happy for voting to be made compulsory. Or rather returning a ballot paper, even if that is an abstention. |
I would be happy if we had decent politicians to vote for. |  | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 18:49 - May 11 with 1155 views | Boundy |
| Welsh assembly members on 17:56 - May 11 by Lorax |
The powers that be are probably entirely happy with the way things are. if the others decided to vote, they may choose a different party.
I'm 100% with the idea of compulsory voting and having a "none of the above" box so we could reject them all. |
currently I'd vote for "none of the above " | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 12:29 - May 12 with 1097 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh assembly members on 10:19 - May 11 by raynor94 |
My apologies for using the wrong word, but still that's far to many snouts in the trough, for a Country of our size.
Do you approve of the way Drakeford and Price have gone about this? |
I don't know much about how they've gone about this but I know it's been discussed for a long time. I do agree that 60 is not enough. Scotland eg has 129, admittedly for a population of almost 6 million. NI (with 106) is a different matter I think you'd agree.
Apart from the debating chamber which we get to see there are innumerable committees which AM's have to be part of. In Westminster they have 650 MP's to spread around so 60 doesn't go very far.
I'd be happy for there to be less councils. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 12:35 - May 12 with 1096 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh assembly members on 10:24 - May 11 by Lorax |
A proposal then. OK but they have tried to change the WLGA numbers before and gave up. The other snouts in the trough were none to keen on having the trough taken away.
6 AM/MS's per constituency? Why do we need 6. How will these 6 constituencies be set out?
The Senedd constantly complains that Wales is under funded so their response is to spend millions more expanding the number of politicians who have roundly failed in almost everything they have power over?
Honestly, I don't know that it's better anywhere else because there are always politicians in charge but, if I win the lottery I'm off to a quiet Greek island and forgetting all about politics and Welsh parochialism. |
Currently Westminster is proposing to cut the number of MP's in Wales to 32. The 16 Senedd constituencies will each cover two Westminster constituencies. And then 6 AM's will be returned from each of those 16.
No one has commented on the use of a full PR system from 2026. People regularly say what's the point of voting. At least with PR your vote would count, at least to some extent. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 13:01 - May 12 with 1077 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh assembly members on 12:35 - May 12 by johnlangy |
Currently Westminster is proposing to cut the number of MP's in Wales to 32. The 16 Senedd constituencies will each cover two Westminster constituencies. And then 6 AM's will be returned from each of those 16.
No one has commented on the use of a full PR system from 2026. People regularly say what's the point of voting. At least with PR your vote would count, at least to some extent. |
It is the boundary commission that is proposing to make all UK constituencies the same size not the Government.
The total UK MPs would fall to 600.
As far as proportional representation goes there was a UK wide referendum in 2011 and it was rejected 66% to 33%. | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 14:05 - May 12 with 1059 views | trampie |
| Welsh assembly members on 13:01 - May 12 by felixstowe_jack |
It is the boundary commission that is proposing to make all UK constituencies the same size not the Government.
The total UK MPs would fall to 600.
As far as proportional representation goes there was a UK wide referendum in 2011 and it was rejected 66% to 33%. |
That wasn't PR it was AV that was rejected. |  |
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| Welsh assembly members on 14:44 - May 12 with 1048 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 12:29 - May 12 by johnlangy |
I don't know much about how they've gone about this but I know it's been discussed for a long time. I do agree that 60 is not enough. Scotland eg has 129, admittedly for a population of almost 6 million. NI (with 106) is a different matter I think you'd agree.
Apart from the debating chamber which we get to see there are innumerable committees which AM's have to be part of. In Westminster they have 650 MP's to spread around so 60 doesn't go very far.
I'd be happy for there to be less councils. |
How can you compare it to Westminster? Even then, not all 650 sit on committee's.
It's blatant jobs for the cronies, 60 MS's gives us 1 for every 54000 Welsh residents. Reducing the MP's to 32 brings us into line with England at roughly 1 for every 100,000 people. Why do we need almost twice the level of representation of England?
Wales doesn't even have full power, but even with 60 they cannot cope with the workload of a devolved government with limited powers. Is it because they are rubbish? | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 14:49 - May 12 with 1046 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 12:35 - May 12 by johnlangy |
Currently Westminster is proposing to cut the number of MP's in Wales to 32. The 16 Senedd constituencies will each cover two Westminster constituencies. And then 6 AM's will be returned from each of those 16.
No one has commented on the use of a full PR system from 2026. People regularly say what's the point of voting. At least with PR your vote would count, at least to some extent. |
Do the maths again, two constituencies means 2 MP's yet you really want 3 times that number for Wales?
Why does Wales need 3 MS's for every MP? Is it because Welsh politicians are not up to the job, even though Wales still has limited powers?
What if we went indy and they had full control, 150....200? Cronyism is all it is, who will be selected to stand for these seats? Family members and friends? Snouts in troughs. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 15:05 - May 12 with 1036 views | Boundy |
| Welsh assembly members on 14:49 - May 12 by Lorax |
Do the maths again, two constituencies means 2 MP's yet you really want 3 times that number for Wales?
Why does Wales need 3 MS's for every MP? Is it because Welsh politicians are not up to the job, even though Wales still has limited powers?
What if we went indy and they had full control, 150....200? Cronyism is all it is, who will be selected to stand for these seats? Family members and friends? Snouts in troughs. |
Funny you should mention cronyism , | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 15:20 - May 12 with 1029 views | Wingstandwood |
| Welsh assembly members on 15:05 - May 12 by Boundy |
Funny you should mention cronyism , |
Holy cow! Surreal, but there again in this day and age should it be any surprise? I looked at the date to double check that it wasn't an April fool just to check the validity of it. |  |
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| Welsh assembly members on 17:32 - May 12 with 990 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 15:05 - May 12 by Boundy |
Funny you should mention cronyism , |
Yes, LABOUR cronyism in full flight but the blinkered lot on here may never see it, there'll be full on whataboutery first. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 18:55 - May 12 with 964 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh assembly members on 14:49 - May 12 by Lorax |
Do the maths again, two constituencies means 2 MP's yet you really want 3 times that number for Wales?
Why does Wales need 3 MS's for every MP? Is it because Welsh politicians are not up to the job, even though Wales still has limited powers?
What if we went indy and they had full control, 150....200? Cronyism is all it is, who will be selected to stand for these seats? Family members and friends? Snouts in troughs. |
Do you believe that of all the peoples of westeen Europe that the welsh people are unique in not being able to run their own govetnment ? |  |
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| Welsh assembly members on 19:14 - May 12 with 960 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 18:55 - May 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Do you believe that of all the peoples of westeen Europe that the welsh people are unique in not being able to run their own govetnment ? |
Well, according to the evidence, Wales is unable to run herself as well as England unless we have twice as many politicians per head who are running a government on limited devolved powers.
To answer the question, obviously any country can run it's own government but how good a job do they do?
The current incumbents cannot run a government (they have said so themselves) effectively without increasing their number by over 50%. That is a devolved government without full powers too. That equates to twice as many politicians per head than England to run a government with only 70% of the powers that Westminster has.
It's a farce. I'll ask again, if this goes ahead and costs many extra millions, where else in the budget will suffer? | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 19:30 - May 12 with 950 views | Lorax |
And here it is, the real smack in the face to democracy, if these plans go through you won't be able to vote for a candidate but merely for the party, the party will already have decided who will be in that seat. They call it a closed list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
I want to know the candidate I am voting for and have the ability to reject them, that is democracy. But still the sheep will vote Labour and we will have whichever crony they choose foisted on us.
These changes need to be put to a referendum, we the people should have the right to choose to accept or reject them.
Anything else is anti democratic and bordering on dictatorship, they cannot be allowed to push these changes through without the electorates consent. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 20:00 - May 12 with 941 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh assembly members on 19:30 - May 12 by Lorax |
And here it is, the real smack in the face to democracy, if these plans go through you won't be able to vote for a candidate but merely for the party, the party will already have decided who will be in that seat. They call it a closed list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
I want to know the candidate I am voting for and have the ability to reject them, that is democracy. But still the sheep will vote Labour and we will have whichever crony they choose foisted on us.
These changes need to be put to a referendum, we the people should have the right to choose to accept or reject them.
Anything else is anti democratic and bordering on dictatorship, they cannot be allowed to push these changes through without the electorates consent. |
You have been brainwashed by the BBC and the Johnson client journos at the Daily Fail.
A system started in 1708 is unlikely to be fit for our modern world.
The Senedd is simply offering a more modern approach.
After the last GE was gamed by Johnson and Farage, we should all welcome this.
This really is the will of the people of Wales ……. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿.
Well done Drakers. | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 20:31 - May 12 with 924 views | Boundy |
| Welsh assembly members on 19:30 - May 12 by Lorax |
And here it is, the real smack in the face to democracy, if these plans go through you won't be able to vote for a candidate but merely for the party, the party will already have decided who will be in that seat. They call it a closed list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
I want to know the candidate I am voting for and have the ability to reject them, that is democracy. But still the sheep will vote Labour and we will have whichever crony they choose foisted on us.
These changes need to be put to a referendum, we the people should have the right to choose to accept or reject them.
Anything else is anti democratic and bordering on dictatorship, they cannot be allowed to push these changes through without the electorates consent. |
You're banging your a head against the wall with this one, the dullards are so entrenched in hatred of anything remotely leaning to the right that all cognitive & and rational thought is dismissed. Their brains capacity is so limited that it prevents any other information from being absorbed, disseminated understood. Why do you think that when ever the senedd's shortcomings are discussed they without fail never comment let alone to try to defend it, they'd rather ignore it hoping people will forget . | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 21:44 - May 12 with 909 views | majorraglan |
| Welsh assembly members on 19:30 - May 12 by Lorax |
And here it is, the real smack in the face to democracy, if these plans go through you won't be able to vote for a candidate but merely for the party, the party will already have decided who will be in that seat. They call it a closed list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
I want to know the candidate I am voting for and have the ability to reject them, that is democracy. But still the sheep will vote Labour and we will have whichever crony they choose foisted on us.
These changes need to be put to a referendum, we the people should have the right to choose to accept or reject them.
Anything else is anti democratic and bordering on dictatorship, they cannot be allowed to push these changes through without the electorates consent. |
Thanks for posting. As I’ve said before I don’t have a problem with increasing the number of AM’s if it’s linked to savings and a cut in the number of Local Authorities in Wales as that would offset the increase, but there’s no way it should come about without greater reform.
I don’t have an issue with having equal numbers of men and women AM’s, nor do I have an issue with the AM’s sexual orientation, religion or race, but I am totally against the concept of closed lists because I want to know exactly who I am voting for so I can judge them on their ability to represent their constituents and do the job. | | | |
| Welsh assembly members on 21:57 - May 12 with 895 views | Boundy |
Mean while in La La land ., take time to read the comments , much more interesting and possibly a true reflection on what the public think
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ | |
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| Welsh assembly members on 22:46 - May 12 with 874 views | Lorax |
| Welsh assembly members on 20:00 - May 12 by Kilkennyjack |
You have been brainwashed by the BBC and the Johnson client journos at the Daily Fail.
A system started in 1708 is unlikely to be fit for our modern world.
The Senedd is simply offering a more modern approach.
After the last GE was gamed by Johnson and Farage, we should all welcome this.
This really is the will of the people of Wales ……. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿.
Well done Drakers. |
A post obviously designed to try and wind up.
Making changes without the peoples consent is not a modern approach, it comes straight out of the pre democracy days when Monarchies decided these things.
If you really want this then you really are a sheep.
The people of Wales didn't choose this, the politicians did. A government only about 20% voted for is foisting this on everybody. | | | |
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