| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED 01:33 - Nov 7 with 11176 views | NotLoyal |
 Ryan Manning’s battle cry for Birmingham City 7th Nov 2022 12:31It hasn’t been good enough is the summary from Irish international Ryan Manning as the swans travel to St Andrew’s for tomorrow nights clash against Birmingham City. Speaking today Ryan identified the obvious issues with Swansea as the last two games of this half of the season come to an end.  0
 Swansea City beware of the threat and the consequences 8th Nov 2022 11:21Have no doubts about it Birmingham City have found their feet under the guidance of John Eustace. Like every club he had a handful of dissenters after three games at the helm at the blues. As Russell Martin did a year ago he is giving ‘some’ hope to a club who have had little in recent years. 0
Swansea City: Steven Benda; Nathan Wood, Harry Darling, Ben Cabango; Joel Latibeaudiere, Jay Fulton, Matt Grimes (captain), Ryan Manning; Olivier Ntcham, Luke Cundle; Joel Piroe.
Substitutes: Andy Fisher, Michael Obafemi, Jamie Paterson, Armstrong Oko-Flex, Kyle Naughton, Matty Sorinola, Ollie Cooper.
Birmingham City: John Ruddy, Maxime Colin, Auston Trusty, Dion Sanderson, Jordan Graham, Scott Hogan, Troy Deeney (captain), Juninho Bacuna, Tahith Chong, Hannibal, Emmanuel Longelo.
Substitutes: Neil Etheridge, George Friend, Lukas Jutkiewicz, Jordan James, Jobe Bellingham, George Hall, Jonathan Leko.
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 22:23 - Nov 8 with 1866 views | max936 |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 22:11 - Nov 8 by Badlands |
A good and unexpected point tbh.
Disappointing that it was only a few minutes from 3 but even so a good point. |
It is a decent point after such a poor start, but over the 90 minutes we should have put that game to bed, we were poor 2nd half. |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 23:05 - Nov 8 with 1757 views | sw02sea |
The defensive set up is totally down to the manager.
He may have a set piece coach, (who’s about as much use as water-proof teabags) to supposedly help him out, but it’s up to him and his assistants to set up constant drills in training, day in day out.
This is to instill into them, a regimented state of mind, so they know what they’re doing come game time.
Take our horror show defending for their 1st goal.
We didn’t make enough effort to stop the cross, 3 of our defenders bunched together marking fresh air,leaving Hogan totally unmarked on the 6 yrd line, with Benda also punching fresh air.
Their 2nd goal, yet again from a set piece, saw Manning (who otherwise had a good game) the wrong side of a puffing, overweight, Troy Deeney, who fair doos to him lasted a full game, more than Ntcham ever does.
How come Ntcham can turn on the brilliance, but only for the time it takes to make an omelet and a cup of tea ?
Fantastic goal, and good for 25mins, but as I’ve said why can’t he last for 90mins, as per his contract?
Our passing out from the back looks great when it happens to work, but we’re always one bad pass away from possible disaster.
Look, I may sound like a doom & gloom merchant, that’s because for the first 20 minutes we played like real plonkers, but the next 25 mins like Real Madrid.
The second half wasn’t great, but it could have been a good 3 pointer under our belts, only for us to chuck away another 2 of them.
All because of schoolboy defending.
Perhaps teacher will keep them all in for detention, and make them all write a 100 lines saying….
“I must listen to teacher, I must listen to teacher, even if he’s talking bollocks !” |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 23:12 - Nov 8 with 1742 views | Badlands |
Martin to Soton? Get Sousa in. |  |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 00:08 - Nov 9 with 1681 views | RichardO |
Holding your ground in the middle of the park?
We drop so deep in the middle of the midfield
maybe we think we need to help our defence and coming back helps them but by dropping so deep we do not give the defenders options to pass the ball forward why because the wing backs think to give width they actually need to push forward we end up exposed on the flanks and if the two forward midfielders don't drop deep there end up with 5 players waiting for the ball with nobody actually in the middle of the park.
If you assume wingbacks have to defend as well as attack why do you need the two defensive midfielders to drop so deep if the wingback drop deep we should have 3 forwards who can pull wide to use any gaps created by the wing backs dropping deep.
Somebody must understand what Martin wants out of his team so they can keep sustained pressure on opposition teams because when we need to we do it, like when we go behind.
If Martin is urging players forward and we are ahead in a game and we are not pushing forward while leaving enough defensive cover then someone on the pitch is overthinking the game, there are eleven against eleven, if we have better quality we should be winning.
Stop dropping off in the midfield inviting team to put us under pressure.
Would have been happy for a point before the game but....
If we really are looking for promotion Martin really needs to sort things out because the standard of the league leaves it open to a team who can get their sh*t together. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 04:14 - Nov 9 with 1612 views | jojaca |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 00:08 - Nov 9 by RichardO |
Holding your ground in the middle of the park?
We drop so deep in the middle of the midfield
maybe we think we need to help our defence and coming back helps them but by dropping so deep we do not give the defenders options to pass the ball forward why because the wing backs think to give width they actually need to push forward we end up exposed on the flanks and if the two forward midfielders don't drop deep there end up with 5 players waiting for the ball with nobody actually in the middle of the park.
If you assume wingbacks have to defend as well as attack why do you need the two defensive midfielders to drop so deep if the wingback drop deep we should have 3 forwards who can pull wide to use any gaps created by the wing backs dropping deep.
Somebody must understand what Martin wants out of his team so they can keep sustained pressure on opposition teams because when we need to we do it, like when we go behind.
If Martin is urging players forward and we are ahead in a game and we are not pushing forward while leaving enough defensive cover then someone on the pitch is overthinking the game, there are eleven against eleven, if we have better quality we should be winning.
Stop dropping off in the midfield inviting team to put us under pressure.
Would have been happy for a point before the game but....
If we really are looking for promotion Martin really needs to sort things out because the standard of the league leaves it open to a team who can get their sh*t together. |
No point in looking for promotion, we are so inconsistent and that's just during 90 mins nevermind a course of a few matches. We always seem to play within ourselves, turned the tap off when we winning, turn the tap back on when we are losing, never attack games to kill teams off.
Russell Martin is one of the most frustrating managers we've had in living memory. We have ten minute spells of being like the next Man City, but the rest of the time is boring anti-football affair. I won't miss him if he goes. [Post edited 9 Nov 2022 4:39]
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 08:33 - Nov 9 with 1447 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 04:14 - Nov 9 by jojaca |
No point in looking for promotion, we are so inconsistent and that's just during 90 mins nevermind a course of a few matches. We always seem to play within ourselves, turned the tap off when we winning, turn the tap back on when we are losing, never attack games to kill teams off.
Russell Martin is one of the most frustrating managers we've had in living memory. We have ten minute spells of being like the next Man City, but the rest of the time is boring anti-football affair. I won't miss him if he goes. [Post edited 9 Nov 2022 4:39]
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I expect us to be inconsistent because of the age and experience at this level within the team.
I remember Kenny Jackett teams with some quality footballers for the standard of the league they were playing, if they were ahead with 15 mins to go would drop deep to deep to defend and drop points
Martin's team seems to do that whenever we are ahead whether it be in the 75th, 45th or 15th minute.Taking frustration levels as you say through the roof.
Not holding your ground in the middle of the park, dropping deep to calm and control
the game at vital moments? No at almost every moment of the game but not doing it well, heaven forbide we have a sudden of blood to the head and attack with pace.
Two defensive line of four no we are not that organised.
Why take one of our taller, stronger players off with five minutes to go especially having taking off Woods earlier, let's see if we can reduce the average size of the team when we know an aerial bombardment is likely to be imminent.
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 09:02 - Nov 9 with 1427 views | onehunglow |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 21:46 - Nov 8 by max936 |
Martin was urging the team to get forward, but the team didn't respond. |
Asks questions then of Martin and how his team responds | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 09:21 - Nov 9 with 1405 views | union_jack |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 23:05 - Nov 8 by sw02sea |
The defensive set up is totally down to the manager.
He may have a set piece coach, (who’s about as much use as water-proof teabags) to supposedly help him out, but it’s up to him and his assistants to set up constant drills in training, day in day out.
This is to instill into them, a regimented state of mind, so they know what they’re doing come game time.
Take our horror show defending for their 1st goal.
We didn’t make enough effort to stop the cross, 3 of our defenders bunched together marking fresh air,leaving Hogan totally unmarked on the 6 yrd line, with Benda also punching fresh air.
Their 2nd goal, yet again from a set piece, saw Manning (who otherwise had a good game) the wrong side of a puffing, overweight, Troy Deeney, who fair doos to him lasted a full game, more than Ntcham ever does.
How come Ntcham can turn on the brilliance, but only for the time it takes to make an omelet and a cup of tea ?
Fantastic goal, and good for 25mins, but as I’ve said why can’t he last for 90mins, as per his contract?
Our passing out from the back looks great when it happens to work, but we’re always one bad pass away from possible disaster.
Look, I may sound like a doom & gloom merchant, that’s because for the first 20 minutes we played like real plonkers, but the next 25 mins like Real Madrid.
The second half wasn’t great, but it could have been a good 3 pointer under our belts, only for us to chuck away another 2 of them.
All because of schoolboy defending.
Perhaps teacher will keep them all in for detention, and make them all write a 100 lines saying….
“I must listen to teacher, I must listen to teacher, even if he’s talking bollocks !” |
Good post. The point you made that we are one bad pass away from another disaster is well put. We overplay and eventually the bottle goes. However, there would have been opportunities before that stray pass to get the ball forward. We are just not thinking that way. It’s all about the close pass which invariably goes wrong eventually.
Th3 only issue I’d disagree with if I read you right is the bit about Benda punching fresh air. He shouldn’t have had to deal with that. The three defenders should have been asked to finish their tea break a little earlier. It’s an issue that is repeating itself too often and needs addressing. |  |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 09:31 - Nov 9 with 1391 views | onehunglow |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 09:21 - Nov 9 by union_jack |
Good post. The point you made that we are one bad pass away from another disaster is well put. We overplay and eventually the bottle goes. However, there would have been opportunities before that stray pass to get the ball forward. We are just not thinking that way. It’s all about the close pass which invariably goes wrong eventually.
Th3 only issue I’d disagree with if I read you right is the bit about Benda punching fresh air. He shouldn’t have had to deal with that. The three defenders should have been asked to finish their tea break a little earlier. It’s an issue that is repeating itself too often and needs addressing. |
Seems now there is a consensus ,which is something positive .
We utilise weak and inexperienced defenders .
Bennett was an average stopper but one with experience .
He was no worse than what we have,certainly compared with Wood .
Dumped unceremoniously ,as was Fulton ,in September
The mindset of Martin has not and will not change
We have the talent ,as is obvious. | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 10:18 - Nov 9 with 1336 views | RichardO |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 09:31 - Nov 9 by onehunglow |
Seems now there is a consensus ,which is something positive .
We utilise weak and inexperienced defenders .
Bennett was an average stopper but one with experience .
He was no worse than what we have,certainly compared with Wood .
Dumped unceremoniously ,as was Fulton ,in September
The mindset of Martin has not and will not change
We have the talent ,as is obvious. |
Inexperienced young defenders yes, at fault for some goals yes, at fault for all the goals no.
Woods wasn't on the pitch for the equaliser, Darling wasn't playing against Wigan. I really, maybe naively, believe the three young players, Darling,Woods and Carbango are crucial to the development of the club preferable in a back 4 with Manning on the left.
Even as a back three if they are given protection on the flanks.
As for bad passing by defenders, if have your options limited by the opposition press and/or lack of midfield because they are playing deeper than you are means you can't play the ball wide because it will leave the WB limited options with no midfielder unless there is good movement from players up the pitch either to come short or go long into spaces behind a pressing defence.
The number of times we have seen forward players looking to make forward runs but not being seen or seen to late leaving them frustrated because the player are told to pick the safe option, play the ball back which in the end is not the safe option as we concede territory, possession, free kicks, corners and goals.
The young Guehi Rodon and Ben Davies made mistakes due to their inexperience but were given time to learn. [Post edited 9 Nov 2022 10:20]
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 10:35 - Nov 9 with 1327 views | swan65split |
Before the game, I suppose we would have been happy with a point.
Once again it was an early and late concede.
But this season we have that never give up attitude, and kept on trying ,even at 2-2.
It really annoyed me to see a few times, some passes just played with no Swans player having a chance of being there, and at one stage halfway in our half a clearance from wide lumped into the middle of the half straight to one Brum player!
Our consistency on being inconsistent this season is going too cost us unless there's a quick turn about after the WC. |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 12:12 - Nov 9 with 1239 views | KeithHaynes |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 10:35 - Nov 9 by swan65split |
Before the game, I suppose we would have been happy with a point.
Once again it was an early and late concede.
But this season we have that never give up attitude, and kept on trying ,even at 2-2.
It really annoyed me to see a few times, some passes just played with no Swans player having a chance of being there, and at one stage halfway in our half a clearance from wide lumped into the middle of the half straight to one Brum player!
Our consistency on being inconsistent this season is going too cost us unless there's a quick turn about after the WC. |
With the games played so far we are just a few points from play off form, but then so are the clubs above us in a more stronger position. The games against Burnley and Watford at home will be crucial. We have to beat the teams around us QPR away and Preston home as well. If we can do that it’s very much on.
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 12:50 - Nov 9 with 1195 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 21:46 - Nov 8 by max936 |
Martin was urging the team to get forward, but the team didn't respond. |
he was but it goes against everything he has been asking us to do - he was calling for it out of frustration after realising what was happening
Players should still have been able to adjust though if they are professionals |  |
| This is Patches O'Houlihan saying "Take care of your balls, and they'll take care of you." |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 13:47 - Nov 9 with 1157 views | jojaca |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 12:12 - Nov 9 by KeithHaynes |
With the games played so far we are just a few points from play off form, but then so are the clubs above us in a more stronger position. The games against Burnley and Watford at home will be crucial. We have to beat the teams around us QPR away and Preston home as well. If we can do that it’s very much on.
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Save your breath, this team will be talking more about a relegation battle soon. | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 14:15 - Nov 9 with 1133 views | union_jack |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 12:12 - Nov 9 by KeithHaynes |
With the games played so far we are just a few points from play off form, but then so are the clubs above us in a more stronger position. The games against Burnley and Watford at home will be crucial. We have to beat the teams around us QPR away and Preston home as well. If we can do that it’s very much on.
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That’s a great theory Keith so long as we beat the other teams such as Wigan at home. Ah, wait… | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 18:57 - Nov 9 with 977 views | shingle |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 14:15 - Nov 9 by union_jack |
That’s a great theory Keith so long as we beat the other teams such as Wigan at home. Ah, wait… |
Does everyone remember Russell saying teams will have no legs left in the last ten minutes or so of a game due to long periods of having to chase around trying to get the ball, i guess that theory seems to have been well and truly put to bed. | | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:13 - Nov 9 with 966 views | KeithHaynes |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 18:57 - Nov 9 by shingle |
Does everyone remember Russell saying teams will have no legs left in the last ten minutes or so of a game due to long periods of having to chase around trying to get the ball, i guess that theory seems to have been well and truly put to bed. |
Talk is cheap at times. From all angles.
If only … 😉 | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:39 - Nov 9 with 936 views | vetchonian |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 12:12 - Nov 9 by KeithHaynes |
With the games played so far we are just a few points from play off form, but then so are the clubs above us in a more stronger position. The games against Burnley and Watford at home will be crucial. We have to beat the teams around us QPR away and Preston home as well. If we can do that it’s very much on.
If. |
3 points from 12 promotion form?
arent we lucky to have such a football visionary as our manager | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:43 - Nov 9 with 933 views | onehunglow |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 13:47 - Nov 9 by jojaca |
Save your breath, this team will be talking more about a relegation battle soon. |
Such talk was ridiculed as we were fourth in the table etc .
We should survive
This league is bizarre and very mediocre | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:47 - Nov 9 with 926 views | KeithHaynes |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:39 - Nov 9 by vetchonian |
3 points from 12 promotion form?
arent we lucky to have such a football visionary as our manager |
I’m referring to the season so far 😂
And I didn’t say promotion form.
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:49 - Nov 9 with 920 views | NotLoyal |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:39 - Nov 9 by vetchonian |
3 points from 12 promotion form?
arent we lucky to have such a football visionary as our manager |
Who said that ? Visionary. | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 20:12 - Nov 9 with 903 views | vetchonian |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 19:49 - Nov 9 by NotLoyal |
Who said that ? Visionary. |
someone on here I think maybe in one of the articles maybe
but so many have posted here what a good manager we have he got us to 4th place dont you know | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 21:49 - Nov 11 with 742 views | Fireboy2 |
The black cats are showing how to beat brum.
We are bloody frustrating. |  | | |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 21:50 - Nov 11 with 737 views | KeithHaynes |
| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 21:49 - Nov 11 by Fireboy2 |
The black cats are showing how to beat brum.
We are bloody frustrating. |
Both sides going at it. | |
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| Birmingham City v Swansea City : Matchday Thread UPDATED on 21:53 - Nov 11 with 729 views | KeithHaynes |
England u20 international Jordan James on 😉 | |
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