| Levelling up 08:49 - Jan 19 with 5054 views | raynor94 |
Nice to see that investment starved City of Cardiff have been awarded 50 Million for a new rail line.
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| Levelling up on 22:33 - Jan 20 with 666 views | PawelAbbott |
| Levelling up on 13:20 - Jan 19 by britferry |
50m for Cardiff, 20m for Swansea... same old, same old, the Cardiff Bay crooks couldn't have fiddled it any better
- £50m for a new rail line between Cardiff Bay and Cardiff Central Station
- £9m for a new engineering campus for 600 young people in Blaenau Gwent
- £18.6m to create a cycle route between Llandudno Junction and Betws y Coed in Conwy county.
- £18m to refurbish the Grand Pavilion in Porthcawl
- £20m to build a leisure centre in Caerphilly, including a gym and swimming pool
- £20m to restore and regenerate three industry heritage sites in the lower Swansea Valley including Morfa Copperworks and Swansea Museum
- £18.8m to upgrade walking and cycling routes for the National Slate Museum and the Neuadd Ogwen arts centre in Gwynedd
- £17m for new walkways and cycle paths in Holyhead to help people explore St Cybi's Church and the Roman Fort
- £11m to restore historic monuments in Ruthin, including St Peter's Church and the town square
- £17.8m to restore the historic estate in the Vale of Neath and build new walkways and cycle paths
- £7.6m for the Pontypool Cultural Hub project to "transform derelict buildings into a thriving cultural centre" including a new restaurant [Post edited 19 Jan 2023 13:25]
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That money and opportunity has been completely wasted, as usual.
The whole point in leveling up is to generate growth nd development in areas that had seen little investment.
The money could then be used to generate further wealth and help develop areas.
What does it get spent on? A bunch of cycle paths and giving some statues a polish.
Where is the Return on Investment for that?
How does Swansea museum blow £20M? Or even £2M?
What is the return on that? Absolutely zero I'd guess.
It's not surprising we live in a country with a Handout culture.
When they get a Handout they waste the whole lot. They'll e back asking for more in a year or two as their ideas generated no improvement to an areas growth at all. |  | | |
| Levelling up on 00:13 - Jan 21 with 638 views | majorraglan |
| Levelling up on 22:33 - Jan 20 by PawelAbbott |
That money and opportunity has been completely wasted, as usual.
The whole point in leveling up is to generate growth nd development in areas that had seen little investment.
The money could then be used to generate further wealth and help develop areas.
What does it get spent on? A bunch of cycle paths and giving some statues a polish.
Where is the Return on Investment for that?
How does Swansea museum blow £20M? Or even £2M?
What is the return on that? Absolutely zero I'd guess.
It's not surprising we live in a country with a Handout culture.
When they get a Handout they waste the whole lot. They'll e back asking for more in a year or two as their ideas generated no improvement to an areas growth at all. |
Totally agree, it should be about wealth creation.
Cardiff is getting a train upgrade and Swansea is getting money towards the museum - it’s bonkers. I don’t have an issue with cycle paths per se as they can benefit the community, health etc in but why not have some joined up thinking. Have proper cycle paths in areas of beauty, push the tourism thing, try and link it with the coastal paths, market it like the NC500 in Scotland. If the worst comes to the worst, develop a new industrial unit or 3 somewhere which will support jobs.
Edit- didn’t clarify my point re the cycling and No 500 very well, what I should have said was developing the cycle network should take place hand in glove with a tourism drive to encourage people to take holidays here, spend money in guest houses, at attractions pubs etc. The NC 500 has increased the focus on tourists visiting the more remote areas of Scotland where they spend money and boost the economy. I’d much rather sustainable industry etc, but was making the point if were having cycle paths let’s maximise the benefit. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 11:54]
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| Levelling up on 08:55 - Jan 21 with 601 views | Boundy |
| Levelling up on 00:13 - Jan 21 by majorraglan |
Totally agree, it should be about wealth creation.
Cardiff is getting a train upgrade and Swansea is getting money towards the museum - it’s bonkers. I don’t have an issue with cycle paths per se as they can benefit the community, health etc in but why not have some joined up thinking. Have proper cycle paths in areas of beauty, push the tourism thing, try and link it with the coastal paths, market it like the NC500 in Scotland. If the worst comes to the worst, develop a new industrial unit or 3 somewhere which will support jobs.
Edit- didn’t clarify my point re the cycling and No 500 very well, what I should have said was developing the cycle network should take place hand in glove with a tourism drive to encourage people to take holidays here, spend money in guest houses, at attractions pubs etc. The NC 500 has increased the focus on tourists visiting the more remote areas of Scotland where they spend money and boost the economy. I’d much rather sustainable industry etc, but was making the point if were having cycle paths let’s maximise the benefit. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 11:54]
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I'm a big exponent of cycle tracks but what long term job creation is that going to produce . Sustrans the charity which oversee the development and administration of the cycle routes we already .2 years ago £38 million was granted by the Sennedd to encourage active travel so it's recognised as a important part of our lives. | |
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| Levelling up on 09:00 - Jan 21 with 599 views | CountyJim |
| Levelling up on 08:55 - Jan 21 by Boundy |
I'm a big exponent of cycle tracks but what long term job creation is that going to produce . Sustrans the charity which oversee the development and administration of the cycle routes we already .2 years ago £38 million was granted by the Sennedd to encourage active travel so it's recognised as a important part of our lives. |
What I don't get about cycle paths is you got them but cyclists will still use a busy main road next to them what's all that about |  | | |
| Levelling up on 09:44 - Jan 21 with 592 views | Dr_Winston |
| Levelling up on 09:00 - Jan 21 by CountyJim |
What I don't get about cycle paths is you got them but cyclists will still use a busy main road next to them what's all that about |
Indeed.
It should be illegal to use bicycles on any road where alternative cycle routes exist, just like you can't take a car on a cycle route.
They can't have it both ways. |  |
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| Levelling up on 10:38 - Jan 21 with 573 views | PawelAbbott |
| Levelling up on 00:13 - Jan 21 by majorraglan |
Totally agree, it should be about wealth creation.
Cardiff is getting a train upgrade and Swansea is getting money towards the museum - it’s bonkers. I don’t have an issue with cycle paths per se as they can benefit the community, health etc in but why not have some joined up thinking. Have proper cycle paths in areas of beauty, push the tourism thing, try and link it with the coastal paths, market it like the NC500 in Scotland. If the worst comes to the worst, develop a new industrial unit or 3 somewhere which will support jobs.
Edit- didn’t clarify my point re the cycling and No 500 very well, what I should have said was developing the cycle network should take place hand in glove with a tourism drive to encourage people to take holidays here, spend money in guest houses, at attractions pubs etc. The NC 500 has increased the focus on tourists visiting the more remote areas of Scotland where they spend money and boost the economy. I’d much rather sustainable industry etc, but was making the point if were having cycle paths let’s maximise the benefit. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 11:54]
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Absolutely.
I have no issue at all with Cycle paths, but the money for them should come from a transport or health related budget, or tourism.
The levelling up fund should be about job and wealth creation. An investment that drives growth and prosperity to an area.
Swansea could have used a few million to give Grants to Tech startups based in the area. A staggered payments of, maybe £100k to a startup setting up in Swansea.
Small Tech hubs as hot desk incubators in Morriston, Mumbles, Gorseinon etc Bring businesses into the area and that brings people to spend money in those areas.
Instead we have a spruced up Museum | | | |
| Levelling up on 10:50 - Jan 21 with 559 views | krunchykarrot |
| Levelling up on 10:38 - Jan 21 by PawelAbbott |
Absolutely.
I have no issue at all with Cycle paths, but the money for them should come from a transport or health related budget, or tourism.
The levelling up fund should be about job and wealth creation. An investment that drives growth and prosperity to an area.
Swansea could have used a few million to give Grants to Tech startups based in the area. A staggered payments of, maybe £100k to a startup setting up in Swansea.
Small Tech hubs as hot desk incubators in Morriston, Mumbles, Gorseinon etc Bring businesses into the area and that brings people to spend money in those areas.
Instead we have a spruced up Museum |
Cycling has brought a lot of jobs to Wales, Have you seen or been on the Afan trails on a weekend? Plus all of the visitors it pulls in staying in local accomodation. Meant to add i agree with you there should be a better tourism department. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 10:52]
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| Levelling up on 11:00 - Jan 21 with 550 views | PawelAbbott |
| Levelling up on 10:50 - Jan 21 by krunchykarrot |
Cycling has brought a lot of jobs to Wales, Have you seen or been on the Afan trails on a weekend? Plus all of the visitors it pulls in staying in local accomodation. Meant to add i agree with you there should be a better tourism department. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 10:52]
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I'm not against cycling and cycling paths at all.
I totally agree that when done well they can bring jobs and businesses.
The issue is that its not Levelling Up. Its great for tourism, but its not going to turn Swansea into an area of growth like the South East / London. Which is what the name suggests was the aim.
The government keeps going on about a housing crisis. There's a housing crisis around London because so much is focused in that area that millions want to live within commuting distance of London. If the rest of the country was as prosperous with evenly distributed growth areas, then there wouldn't be a housing crisis. The same thing is going to happen around Cardiff | | | |
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| Levelling up on 11:14 - Jan 21 with 548 views | krunchykarrot |
| Levelling up on 11:00 - Jan 21 by PawelAbbott |
I'm not against cycling and cycling paths at all.
I totally agree that when done well they can bring jobs and businesses.
The issue is that its not Levelling Up. Its great for tourism, but its not going to turn Swansea into an area of growth like the South East / London. Which is what the name suggests was the aim.
The government keeps going on about a housing crisis. There's a housing crisis around London because so much is focused in that area that millions want to live within commuting distance of London. If the rest of the country was as prosperous with evenly distributed growth areas, then there wouldn't be a housing crisis. The same thing is going to happen around Cardiff |
Swansea has lost so much becuase of its specific industries being phased out as with coal or companies moving away like Fords. We have had some large employers like Amazon step in and provide good jobs for the area but i suppose at a cost to local shops everywhere as i do believe people will buy online and the pandemic reinforced this.
As for houses i just dont get it, make kids get degrees that cost thousands with no job prospect to pay it back easily instead of leaving school at 16 for a Technical College where we used to train say electricians Plumbers Builders to a high standard. We could then embark on a massive ECO house building program. | | | |
| Levelling up on 11:43 - Jan 21 with 536 views | raynor94 |
| Levelling up on 11:14 - Jan 21 by krunchykarrot |
Swansea has lost so much becuase of its specific industries being phased out as with coal or companies moving away like Fords. We have had some large employers like Amazon step in and provide good jobs for the area but i suppose at a cost to local shops everywhere as i do believe people will buy online and the pandemic reinforced this.
As for houses i just dont get it, make kids get degrees that cost thousands with no job prospect to pay it back easily instead of leaving school at 16 for a Technical College where we used to train say electricians Plumbers Builders to a high standard. We could then embark on a massive ECO house building program. |
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| Levelling up on 11:53 - Jan 21 with 532 views | krunchykarrot |
| Levelling up on 11:43 - Jan 21 by raynor94 |
Great post |
Isnt it awful @ raynor94 that a modicom of common sense is just debated and ignored by professional MP when its obvious. By the way im not anti Amazon or online companies good luck to them my generation got rid of butchers bakers and everything else Tescos could sell and mourn down the pub about the quality of everything. Yes i still have a local just about its in a small village where its well supported, even though there is no bus service anymore. | | | |
| Levelling up on 11:57 - Jan 21 with 523 views | majorraglan |
Some great posts above, if we can see it it begs the question why can’t those in power? | | | |
| Levelling up on 12:52 - Jan 21 with 511 views | Boundy |
| Levelling up on 11:14 - Jan 21 by krunchykarrot |
Swansea has lost so much becuase of its specific industries being phased out as with coal or companies moving away like Fords. We have had some large employers like Amazon step in and provide good jobs for the area but i suppose at a cost to local shops everywhere as i do believe people will buy online and the pandemic reinforced this.
As for houses i just dont get it, make kids get degrees that cost thousands with no job prospect to pay it back easily instead of leaving school at 16 for a Technical College where we used to train say electricians Plumbers Builders to a high standard. We could then embark on a massive ECO house building program. |
Regarding degrees , you could blame Blairs period in government for that one His vision that half of young people would attend university was ealised. Whilst only 4% of young people attended university in the 1960s and 33% in 2000, 50.2% of young adults attend university. and today for 2017-18, show 50.2% of people going into higher education. The figures are higher for women, where 57% are going to university. The annual statistics on entry to higher education show the proportion of people set to go to university before the age of 30. A noble ideal but devalued in my opinion by the types of degrees on offer
A question should be asked why for example should the creteria to join the police force is that you have to have a degree .IMO Universties are not the best place for someobe to gain a balanced outlook on life and society in general [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 12:55]
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| Levelling up on 13:04 - Jan 21 with 498 views | krunchykarrot |
| Levelling up on 12:52 - Jan 21 by Boundy |
Regarding degrees , you could blame Blairs period in government for that one His vision that half of young people would attend university was ealised. Whilst only 4% of young people attended university in the 1960s and 33% in 2000, 50.2% of young adults attend university. and today for 2017-18, show 50.2% of people going into higher education. The figures are higher for women, where 57% are going to university. The annual statistics on entry to higher education show the proportion of people set to go to university before the age of 30. A noble ideal but devalued in my opinion by the types of degrees on offer
A question should be asked why for example should the creteria to join the police force is that you have to have a degree .IMO Universties are not the best place for someobe to gain a balanced outlook on life and society in general [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 12:55]
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Yep, i have worked closely with lots of these kids with degrees and they realise after a few months that its been a costly exercise with some stating that the education they have received is more comprehensive than previous generations. Its sad to see the realisation dawning on them a year in that they have been sold a pup.
But your post is spot on but getting people to agree to going back to a revised grammer school system without political ideology playing a part is beyond most, where as i dont give a monkeys which party comes up with good policies.
Its just common sense? | | | |
| Levelling up on 10:55 - Jan 22 with 453 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Levelling up on 12:52 - Jan 21 by Boundy |
Regarding degrees , you could blame Blairs period in government for that one His vision that half of young people would attend university was ealised. Whilst only 4% of young people attended university in the 1960s and 33% in 2000, 50.2% of young adults attend university. and today for 2017-18, show 50.2% of people going into higher education. The figures are higher for women, where 57% are going to university. The annual statistics on entry to higher education show the proportion of people set to go to university before the age of 30. A noble ideal but devalued in my opinion by the types of degrees on offer
A question should be asked why for example should the creteria to join the police force is that you have to have a degree .IMO Universties are not the best place for someobe to gain a balanced outlook on life and society in general [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 12:55]
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Education is a good thing.
It opens up possible careers in the modern tech industries for example.
Always a balance with more traditional trades of course.
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| Levelling up on 10:57 - Jan 22 with 452 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Levelling up on 13:04 - Jan 21 by krunchykarrot |
Yep, i have worked closely with lots of these kids with degrees and they realise after a few months that its been a costly exercise with some stating that the education they have received is more comprehensive than previous generations. Its sad to see the realisation dawning on them a year in that they have been sold a pup.
But your post is spot on but getting people to agree to going back to a revised grammer school system without political ideology playing a part is beyond most, where as i dont give a monkeys which party comes up with good policies.
Its just common sense? |
Yes ?
And i have worded with loads who have had good careers based on their education.
Your experiance is just that, like mine.
It does not automatically make your opinion correct. | |
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| Levelling up on 11:05 - Jan 22 with 446 views | pencoedjack |
| Levelling up on 11:14 - Jan 21 by krunchykarrot |
Swansea has lost so much becuase of its specific industries being phased out as with coal or companies moving away like Fords. We have had some large employers like Amazon step in and provide good jobs for the area but i suppose at a cost to local shops everywhere as i do believe people will buy online and the pandemic reinforced this.
As for houses i just dont get it, make kids get degrees that cost thousands with no job prospect to pay it back easily instead of leaving school at 16 for a Technical College where we used to train say electricians Plumbers Builders to a high standard. We could then embark on a massive ECO house building program. |
Top post.
My son is in the building trade my daughter is a hairdresser.
Both earn a good living following the route you mentioned, they work hard & realise you don’t get anything for doing nowt. |  | | |
| Levelling up on 11:13 - Jan 22 with 442 views | krunchykarrot |
| Levelling up on 10:57 - Jan 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes ?
And i have worded with loads who have had good careers based on their education.
Your experiance is just that, like mine.
It does not automatically make your opinion correct. |
Now dont get me wrong there are degrees and degrees and i agree with your point just look at all the MP's with PPE from Oxbridge sitting both sides of that place. But please explain your other point? When we send our youth to joking Universities with DDD to rack up life changing debt i have a problem when they are doing a sports or forensic science degree. Add in Fashion and culinary arts etc and we are educating thousands for a handfull of vacancies. | | | |
| Levelling up on 11:28 - Jan 22 with 434 views | Boundy |
| Levelling up on 10:55 - Jan 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Education is a good thing.
It opens up possible careers in the modern tech industries for example.
Always a balance with more traditional trades of course.
But Blair was far more correct than he was incorrect. |
No doubt thats correct but should be meaningful and a means to an end, in most cases these days degrees haven't improved the lives of many who in all honesty wasted time and money attaining them and devalued their worth .
And no Blair was wrong on so many levels | |
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| Levelling up on 12:22 - Jan 22 with 416 views | PawelAbbott |
| Levelling up on 11:28 - Jan 22 by Boundy |
No doubt thats correct but should be meaningful and a means to an end, in most cases these days degrees haven't improved the lives of many who in all honesty wasted time and money attaining them and devalued their worth .
And no Blair was wrong on so many levels |
Starmer had previously planned to remove all tuition fees from University places. He has now back tracked on that as the cost is enormous.
An alternative would be to fund places or provide grants for certain courses that prove their value. The country is woefully short of Doctors, Scientists etc. Why not provide funding for those courses. Each course could apply for funded status and if they meet certain criteria then Students on that course will be heavily subsidised. | | | |
| Levelling up on 12:27 - Jan 22 with 413 views | Dr_Winston |
| Levelling up on 12:22 - Jan 22 by PawelAbbott |
Starmer had previously planned to remove all tuition fees from University places. He has now back tracked on that as the cost is enormous.
An alternative would be to fund places or provide grants for certain courses that prove their value. The country is woefully short of Doctors, Scientists etc. Why not provide funding for those courses. Each course could apply for funded status and if they meet certain criteria then Students on that course will be heavily subsidised. |
I've proposed this for a long time.
Education in any medical profession should be offered completely free of any costs, both tuition and living in return for a commitment to NHS work for at least fifteen years post qualification.
I'd also consider offering subsidy for subjects such as the STEM essentials, and a few others. | |
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| Levelling up on 12:37 - Jan 22 with 390 views | PawelAbbott |
| Levelling up on 12:27 - Jan 22 by Dr_Winston |
I've proposed this for a long time.
Education in any medical profession should be offered completely free of any costs, both tuition and living in return for a commitment to NHS work for at least fifteen years post qualification.
I'd also consider offering subsidy for subjects such as the STEM essentials, and a few others. |
Yes, absolutely.
As a country we should be incentivising people to focus on productive areas. If they want to do other stuff that's fine but it's for them to find the funding for it. | | | |
| Levelling up on 12:42 - Jan 22 with 388 views | CountyJim |
| Levelling up on 12:22 - Jan 22 by PawelAbbott |
Starmer had previously planned to remove all tuition fees from University places. He has now back tracked on that as the cost is enormous.
An alternative would be to fund places or provide grants for certain courses that prove their value. The country is woefully short of Doctors, Scientists etc. Why not provide funding for those courses. Each course could apply for funded status and if they meet certain criteria then Students on that course will be heavily subsidised. |
I think that's a good idea but couldn't we put a golden handcuff on these students for example if we paid for them to become a doctor they have to work for the NHS for say ten years or you pay the full fees back and if they take private work in meantime as well they have to give a percentage back
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| Levelling up on 12:53 - Jan 22 with 384 views | bennytheblue |
| Levelling up on 19:26 - Jan 19 by SullutaCreturned |
Well seeing as they have never gotten even 50% to vote in Senedd elections I reckon most don't care about the assembly, not really a case of don't mind.
At the last GE there was a 67% turnout in Wales which shows that more people care about Westminster.
I think a lot of abolish voters (like myself) are caught in the situation of wanting a vote on it but knowing we won't get one. The Senedd will never happily allow a vote that may take their gravy train away.
In the same way as when Starmer talked about abolishing the house of lords there was instant reaction from it's members about how bad a move that would be.
When I voted to leave the EU it had a lot to do with my fervent belief that the more politiicians we have the worse things get, we need to cut the number of politicians, not grow them. The Senedd have already started trying to increase their number yet there are more of them per head for Wales than MP's for the UK and they can't do a proper job with their "limited" powers. How many would they need to do a proper job if we went indy?
This levelling up lark, on the BBC news Nick Servini talked about this money and said the big winner was...CARDIFF! yet when they went and talked to local people it was said this was wasted money, they don't need this train line because it's walking distance or there are plenty of buses. |
It isn’t a pleasant walk though….any of you done it after dark or midnight? It’s something to do with building a new music venue anyway so transporting large groups after gigs back to the centre.
I’ve no doubt Butetown council estate will be gone in 25 yrs with the master plan to link the Hayes to the bay with lovely pleasant shops and cafes….and hotels and stuff |  | | |
| Levelling up on 13:07 - Jan 22 with 372 views | PawelAbbott |
| Levelling up on 12:42 - Jan 22 by CountyJim |
I think that's a good idea but couldn't we put a golden handcuff on these students for example if we paid for them to become a doctor they have to work for the NHS for say ten years or you pay the full fees back and if they take private work in meantime as well they have to give a percentage back
Does that sound fair |
I would definitely say that is fair. | | | |
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