| New voter ID rules 19:26 - Apr 14 with 4154 views | Gwyn737 |
Just opened my polling card for upcoming the upcoming local election, the first with voter ID required.
Lots of options for older people (aside from the norm) but not for younger voters. Anyone would think it’s being manipulated…
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| New voter ID rules on 20:59 - Apr 16 with 1118 views | controversial_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 08:22 - Apr 16 by Gwyn737 |
Are you going to continue do this on every thread (no matter what the OP) when Controversial Jack posts? [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 21:04]
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It's all he has. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 02:35 - Apr 17 with 1054 views | BarrySwan |
| New voter ID rules on 22:58 - Apr 14 by majorraglan |
There’s been huge concerns about the system being manipulated and certain sections of society being disenfranchised, it was something introduced by Boris’s government. Voter fraud in the U.K. isn’t a major issue, it’s something like 9 convictions and half a dozen cautions in 4 years.
All U.K. wide elections and parliamentary by elections, recall elections, Police and Crime Commissioner elections require voters to have ID, Senedd Elections, Welsh Local Government elections don’t require voters to present ID. |
So if someone knows someone who never votes they turn up and use their name and address and cast their vote fraudulently with no requirement for ID just the mention of their name and address.
So how is that ever going to figure in any conviction or prosecution figures then?
No one will complain because the real voters never turned up to vote as they always don't, so how is there ever an investigation.
It's a truly ludicrous situation that anyone can just show up at a polling station give a name and address and vote without proving through the use of ID their correct qualifying identity.
If any potential voter can't be bothered to get suitable ID then they shouldn't be able to determine the future of our country anyway and I have no idea why someone wouldn't have some form of acceptable ID already anyway.
[Post edited 17 Apr 2023 3:52]
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| New voter ID rules on 08:26 - Apr 17 with 1006 views | felixstowe_jack |
Most of the voter fraud is in the postal vote. In some communities the head of the household, usually a man, decides how the rest of the household should vote. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 09:25 - Apr 17 with 984 views | Whiterockin |
| New voter ID rules on 08:26 - Apr 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Most of the voter fraud is in the postal vote. In some communities the head of the household, usually a man, decides how the rest of the household should vote. |
Does he also decide that they don't vote in Wales. |  | | |
| New voter ID rules on 10:02 - Apr 17 with 985 views | felixstowe_jack |
Most of the voter fraud is in the postal vote. In some communities the head of the household, usually a man, decides how the rest of the household should vote. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 13:01 - Apr 17 with 955 views | controversial_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 10:02 - Apr 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Most of the voter fraud is in the postal vote. In some communities the head of the household, usually a man, decides how the rest of the household should vote. |
Can you back this up with evidence or is it another of your baseless asumptions | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 20:13 - Apr 17 with 900 views | majorraglan |
| New voter ID rules on 02:35 - Apr 17 by BarrySwan |
So if someone knows someone who never votes they turn up and use their name and address and cast their vote fraudulently with no requirement for ID just the mention of their name and address.
So how is that ever going to figure in any conviction or prosecution figures then?
No one will complain because the real voters never turned up to vote as they always don't, so how is there ever an investigation.
It's a truly ludicrous situation that anyone can just show up at a polling station give a name and address and vote without proving through the use of ID their correct qualifying identity.
If any potential voter can't be bothered to get suitable ID then they shouldn't be able to determine the future of our country anyway and I have no idea why someone wouldn't have some form of acceptable ID already anyway.
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Every time I’ve ever voted I’ve been asked to produce my voting card which is sent to my house.
If my aunty had balls ……..
The bottom line is that election fraud is exceptionally rare given the numbers of people involved. Its disenfranchisement end of. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 20:18 - Apr 17 with 895 views | Dr_Winston |
You do not have to take your polling card with you.
https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote |  |
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| New voter ID rules on 21:19 - Apr 17 with 880 views | BarrySwan |
| New voter ID rules on 20:13 - Apr 17 by majorraglan |
Every time I’ve ever voted I’ve been asked to produce my voting card which is sent to my house.
If my aunty had balls ……..
The bottom line is that election fraud is exceptionally rare given the numbers of people involved. Its disenfranchisement end of. |
I can quite assure you that you may have been asked for your voter card but if you had said 'no I didn't bother to bring it' or 'I can't remember where I put it' you would still have been handed over a ballot paper without having to produce anything other than mentioning a ( yours presumably) name and address.
There is no such requirement to produce the voter card sent to your house at the polling station.
So you clearly have little idea of the reality of the very situation that you are vainly trying to argue about.
it isn't disenfranchisement at all, there's not a person in the country who is unable to produce some form of suitable ID or able to access the council issued ones for voting if such a scheme is implemented if for some reason they don't already have such ID.
As pointed out above they've had voter ID requirement in Northern Ireland for years with little or no fuss. Are you suggesting that Welsh voters are too thick to cope with a process that those in NI have no trouble with?
I well remember the screams of outrage when students in university were told that they had to individually register on the local voting registers just recently
Howls and howls of outraged lefties screaming disenfranchisement.
it takes me about 1 minute to re-register every year on my local authority electoral roll.
But yet many of our best and brightest in Universities and colleges around the country apparently are deemed too thick by some to do likewise.
if you're in university and unable to very quickly register on an online or paper generated electoral roll then one would surely have to wonder why that person is anywhere near higher education.
And there's not a person in the country who can't very quickly register or produce suitable ID at a polling station on polling day, with all the assistance of their helpful local council electoral office in the run up to Election Day if they feel that they have no such suitable ID.
So stop making excuses for the lazy who would rather scream I've been 'disenfranchised' rather than taking ID up the polling station with them. [Post edited 17 Apr 2023 21:24]
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| New voter ID rules on 21:24 - Apr 17 with 871 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 13:01 - Apr 17 by controversial_jack |
Can you back this up with evidence or is it another of your baseless asumptions |
It is a well know fact. You of course can't vote for anyone else but Putin in Russia. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 21:29 - Apr 17 with 871 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 21:19 - Apr 17 by BarrySwan |
I can quite assure you that you may have been asked for your voter card but if you had said 'no I didn't bother to bring it' or 'I can't remember where I put it' you would still have been handed over a ballot paper without having to produce anything other than mentioning a ( yours presumably) name and address.
There is no such requirement to produce the voter card sent to your house at the polling station.
So you clearly have little idea of the reality of the very situation that you are vainly trying to argue about.
it isn't disenfranchisement at all, there's not a person in the country who is unable to produce some form of suitable ID or able to access the council issued ones for voting if such a scheme is implemented if for some reason they don't already have such ID.
As pointed out above they've had voter ID requirement in Northern Ireland for years with little or no fuss. Are you suggesting that Welsh voters are too thick to cope with a process that those in NI have no trouble with?
I well remember the screams of outrage when students in university were told that they had to individually register on the local voting registers just recently
Howls and howls of outraged lefties screaming disenfranchisement.
it takes me about 1 minute to re-register every year on my local authority electoral roll.
But yet many of our best and brightest in Universities and colleges around the country apparently are deemed too thick by some to do likewise.
if you're in university and unable to very quickly register on an online or paper generated electoral roll then one would surely have to wonder why that person is anywhere near higher education.
And there's not a person in the country who can't very quickly register or produce suitable ID at a polling station on polling day, with all the assistance of their helpful local council electoral office in the run up to Election Day if they feel that they have no such suitable ID.
So stop making excuses for the lazy who would rather scream I've been 'disenfranchised' rather than taking ID up the polling station with them. [Post edited 17 Apr 2023 21:24]
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Is it easier for a younger or older person to produce an accepted ID under the new rules?
Why is an over 60 Oyster card an acceptable form of ID when an 18+ one isn’t.
Why is there a need for this change when there is no evidence of significant voter fraud? | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 21:29 - Apr 17 with 870 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 13:01 - Apr 17 by controversial_jack |
Can you back this up with evidence or is it another of your baseless asumptions |
It is a well know fact. You of course can't vote for anyone else but Putin in Russia. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 23:06 - Apr 17 with 830 views | BarrySwan |
| New voter ID rules on 21:29 - Apr 17 by Gwyn737 |
Is it easier for a younger or older person to produce an accepted ID under the new rules?
Why is an over 60 Oyster card an acceptable form of ID when an 18+ one isn’t.
Why is there a need for this change when there is no evidence of significant voter fraud? |
I've no idea why an over 60 Oyster card is an acceptable form of ID when an 18+ one isn't.
If you're intrigued as to why not, why don't you take a few minutes to ring up any London Borough council's electoral office and enquire for yourself.
And at the same time pledge to advise any 18 year old who you become aware of who is beside themselves with worry that they are being disenfranchised that a very quick call to their local authority electoral office will have them sorted out and on the electoral register sometimes within minutes after following their advice.
It could be your gift to those 18 year olds who have been given the vote to influence the way that our country is run but aren't really intelligent enough to ring up their local council or seek advice elsewhere without your help.
I applaud your public spiritness ( is there such a word? ) on this matter. [Post edited 17 Apr 2023 23:13]
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| New voter ID rules on 10:01 - Apr 18 with 778 views | controversial_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 21:29 - Apr 17 by felixstowe_jack |
It is a well know fact. You of course can't vote for anyone else but Putin in Russia. |
Stick to the topic, as you tell me | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 10:27 - Apr 18 with 762 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 10:01 - Apr 18 by controversial_jack |
Stick to the topic, as you tell me |
Yes you seem to have gone off on a tangent denying there is any voter fraud. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 12:03 - Apr 18 with 730 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 23:06 - Apr 17 by BarrySwan |
I've no idea why an over 60 Oyster card is an acceptable form of ID when an 18+ one isn't.
If you're intrigued as to why not, why don't you take a few minutes to ring up any London Borough council's electoral office and enquire for yourself.
And at the same time pledge to advise any 18 year old who you become aware of who is beside themselves with worry that they are being disenfranchised that a very quick call to their local authority electoral office will have them sorted out and on the electoral register sometimes within minutes after following their advice.
It could be your gift to those 18 year olds who have been given the vote to influence the way that our country is run but aren't really intelligent enough to ring up their local council or seek advice elsewhere without your help.
I applaud your public spiritness ( is there such a word? ) on this matter. [Post edited 17 Apr 2023 23:13]
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Or, and this would be quicker, we could just acknowledge that this is unnessary barrier as there is no evidence of significant voter fraud, put in place by the Conservative government to disproportionately affect a group that tend not to vote for them.
People who live in our largest cities are less likely to have the most obvious photo ID, a driving licence. Guess what? Our largest cities tend not to overall vote Tory either.
Never mind. perhaps those can just use their travel ID? Have a look at the accepted list below. Notice a theme?
-Older Person’s Bus Pass funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Disabled Person’s Bus Pass funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Oyster 60+ Card funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Freedom Pass
-Scottish National Entitlement Card
-60 and Over Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
-Disabled Person’s Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
-Senior SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-Registered Blind SmartPass or Blind Person’s SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-War Disablement SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-60+ SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-Half Fare SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
If we want young people to be involved in politics why would we put barriers up? | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 12:22 - Apr 18 with 725 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 12:03 - Apr 18 by Gwyn737 |
Or, and this would be quicker, we could just acknowledge that this is unnessary barrier as there is no evidence of significant voter fraud, put in place by the Conservative government to disproportionately affect a group that tend not to vote for them.
People who live in our largest cities are less likely to have the most obvious photo ID, a driving licence. Guess what? Our largest cities tend not to overall vote Tory either.
Never mind. perhaps those can just use their travel ID? Have a look at the accepted list below. Notice a theme?
-Older Person’s Bus Pass funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Disabled Person’s Bus Pass funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Oyster 60+ Card funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Freedom Pass
-Scottish National Entitlement Card
-60 and Over Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
-Disabled Person’s Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
-Senior SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-Registered Blind SmartPass or Blind Person’s SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-War Disablement SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-60+ SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-Half Fare SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
If we want young people to be involved in politics why would we put barriers up? |
No barriers they just have to register to vote like everyone else and apply for a " voter authority certificate " if don't have suitable identification.
Seems people are making a lot of fuss over a minor issue. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 12:26 - Apr 18 with 724 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 12:03 - Apr 18 by Gwyn737 |
Or, and this would be quicker, we could just acknowledge that this is unnessary barrier as there is no evidence of significant voter fraud, put in place by the Conservative government to disproportionately affect a group that tend not to vote for them.
People who live in our largest cities are less likely to have the most obvious photo ID, a driving licence. Guess what? Our largest cities tend not to overall vote Tory either.
Never mind. perhaps those can just use their travel ID? Have a look at the accepted list below. Notice a theme?
-Older Person’s Bus Pass funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Disabled Person’s Bus Pass funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Oyster 60+ Card funded by the Government of the United Kingdom
-Freedom Pass
-Scottish National Entitlement Card
-60 and Over Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
-Disabled Person’s Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
-Senior SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-Registered Blind SmartPass or Blind Person’s SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-War Disablement SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-60+ SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
-Half Fare SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
If we want young people to be involved in politics why would we put barriers up? |
No barriers they just have to register to vote like everyone else and apply for a " voter authority certificate " if don't have suitable identification.
Seems people are making a lot of fuss over a minor issue. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 12:38 - Apr 18 with 721 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 12:26 - Apr 18 by felixstowe_jack |
No barriers they just have to register to vote like everyone else and apply for a " voter authority certificate " if don't have suitable identification.
Seems people are making a lot of fuss over a minor issue. |
No barriers except for the barrier?
I suppose it's not worth the fuss, after the next GE it'll probably be rectified. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 12:53 - Apr 18 with 717 views | BarrySwan |
| New voter ID rules on 12:38 - Apr 18 by Gwyn737 |
No barriers except for the barrier?
I suppose it's not worth the fuss, after the next GE it'll probably be rectified. |
Are you referring to a possible change of administration?
https://order-order.com/2019/1
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| New voter ID rules on 14:01 - Apr 18 with 702 views | Gwyn737 |
Were they voting in a multi-party election in that conference?
If not that's just whataboutary. No correlation at all.
Mind you, if you keep looking at the Guido Fawkes website someone will be daft enough on there to suggest there is some. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 15:56 - Apr 18 with 685 views | BarrySwan |
| New voter ID rules on 14:01 - Apr 18 by Gwyn737 |
Were they voting in a multi-party election in that conference?
If not that's just whataboutary. No correlation at all.
Mind you, if you keep looking at the Guido Fawkes website someone will be daft enough on there to suggest there is some. |
I see so we can only read items that you approve of these days? I hadn't realised that.
If you would be good enough post up a list of publications and websites that I'm allowed to read and quote from in the future then I'd be very grateful.
A publication such as this perhaps?
https://www.independent.co.uk/ [Post edited 18 Apr 2023 15:57]
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| New voter ID rules on 16:05 - Apr 18 with 681 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 15:56 - Apr 18 by BarrySwan |
I see so we can only read items that you approve of these days? I hadn't realised that.
If you would be good enough post up a list of publications and websites that I'm allowed to read and quote from in the future then I'd be very grateful.
A publication such as this perhaps?
https://www.independent.co.uk/ [Post edited 18 Apr 2023 15:57]
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18 years ago and nothing to do with voter ID disenfranchising certain groups. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 16:43 - Apr 18 with 671 views | BarrySwan |
| New voter ID rules on 16:05 - Apr 18 by Gwyn737 |
18 years ago and nothing to do with voter ID disenfranchising certain groups. |
But certain groups aren't disenfranchised we've already established that.
Anyone wishing to vote under such an ID system can freely gain access to suitable ID from their local electoral office if they qualify to vote in the unlikely event that they don't already have any.
Why do you keep repeating stuff that clearly isn't true despite a number of us taking the care, time and compassion to explain a simple process to an obviously distressed person in order that you are able to understand.
I feel your torment, please don't hesitate to get in touch if wanting further advice on what appears to be such a distressing subject for you despite no one else being remotely bothered. [Post edited 18 Apr 2023 16:44]
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| New voter ID rules on 17:28 - Apr 18 with 647 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 16:43 - Apr 18 by BarrySwan |
But certain groups aren't disenfranchised we've already established that.
Anyone wishing to vote under such an ID system can freely gain access to suitable ID from their local electoral office if they qualify to vote in the unlikely event that they don't already have any.
Why do you keep repeating stuff that clearly isn't true despite a number of us taking the care, time and compassion to explain a simple process to an obviously distressed person in order that you are able to understand.
I feel your torment, please don't hesitate to get in touch if wanting further advice on what appears to be such a distressing subject for you despite no one else being remotely bothered. [Post edited 18 Apr 2023 16:44]
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You don’t seem unbothered 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸
At no point in this thread has anyone shown evidence of significant voter fraud due to ID issues. (Although you did find an ID requirement for something other than an election and an example of postage fraud from nearly 2 decades ago)
Is it easier under these regs for a young person or and old person to vote? Why are these regs needed? | | | |
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