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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. 18:02 - Apr 18 with 3466 viewsFlashberryjack

Paul Drakeford the Labour leader of the Senedd plan to give young asylum-seekers in Wales £1,600 a MONTH and taxpayers' cash to fight deportation. Labour ministers in Wales have announced plans that could see young asylum seekers in the country receive £1,600 a month and taxpayers' cash for legal aid to fight deportation.

Absolutely Bonkers.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 18:08 - Apr 18 with 2497 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

I guess anyone landing the UK would benefit from heading to Wales?

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 18:41 - Apr 18 with 2468 viewsKilkennyjack

How many will it take to match the £30 billion that Truss and Kwasi threw away in a mini budget that had to be corrected by other Tories ?

I mean, if the real concern here is wasting public monies…..

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 19:06 - Apr 18 with 2434 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 18:41 - Apr 18 by Kilkennyjack

How many will it take to match the £30 billion that Truss and Kwasi threw away in a mini budget that had to be corrected by other Tories ?

I mean, if the real concern here is wasting public monies…..


Actually no money was spent certainly not your invented £30 billion . What was it spent on.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 19:10 - Apr 18 with 2430 viewsAnotherJohn

The Senedd does seem to be getting more and more enamoured with "progressive" policies, perhaps following the Scottish model. Might they copy the SNP and push for a higher Welsh income tax rate to fund these schemes?
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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 19:27 - Apr 18 with 2419 viewsFlashberryjack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 18:41 - Apr 18 by Kilkennyjack

How many will it take to match the £30 billion that Truss and Kwasi threw away in a mini budget that had to be corrected by other Tories ?

I mean, if the real concern here is wasting public monies…..


Are you mentally incapable of staying on thread ?.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 19:45 - Apr 18 with 2400 viewsunion_jack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 19:10 - Apr 18 by AnotherJohn

The Senedd does seem to be getting more and more enamoured with "progressive" policies, perhaps following the Scottish model. Might they copy the SNP and push for a higher Welsh income tax rate to fund these schemes?


Maybe attempting to copy the SNP in anything presently isn’t a good idea.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:04 - Apr 18 with 2381 viewsGwyn737

I suppose it depends how that figure compares to current costs.

If the cost of housing someone in a hotel and whatever living benefits received per month already comes to about £1600 a month it’s a non-story.

The lawyers are paid by taxpayer money whichever route it gets to them.
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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:13 - Apr 18 with 2369 viewsBoundy

Not bonkers , just another day in the weird and not so wonderful world of Welsh socialist labour . I mean why look after your own when you can support chancers .

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:24 - Apr 18 with 2351 viewsKilkennyjack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:13 - Apr 18 by Boundy

Not bonkers , just another day in the weird and not so wonderful world of Welsh socialist labour . I mean why look after your own when you can support chancers .


Chancers like Johnson and Mogg ?

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:27 - Apr 18 with 2350 viewsKilkennyjack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 19:06 - Apr 18 by felixstowe_jack

Actually no money was spent certainly not your invented £30 billion . What was it spent on.


Please try to educate yourself mun ….

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/12/revealed-the-30bn-cost-of-liz-t

The Guardian says £30 billion.
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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:47 - Apr 18 with 2319 viewsWingstandwood

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:13 - Apr 18 by Boundy

Not bonkers , just another day in the weird and not so wonderful world of Welsh socialist labour . I mean why look after your own when you can support chancers .


*Update*

QUOTE: 1:47 : "The good news is though Nigel that the justice minister as I understand it as denied this request and put a stop in it straight away".

Thank God that Wales does not have full independence, because imo the money wasting incompetents will be prevented from p1ssing even more money down the drain (mentioned in video) £144 million on NOT building a relief road and £250 million on nationalising Cardiff airport etc.

Argus!

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:52 - Apr 18 with 2306 viewsFlashberryjack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:47 - Apr 18 by Wingstandwood

*Update*

QUOTE: 1:47 : "The good news is though Nigel that the justice minister as I understand it as denied this request and put a stop in it straight away".

Thank God that Wales does not have full independence, because imo the money wasting incompetents will be prevented from p1ssing even more money down the drain (mentioned in video) £144 million on NOT building a relief road and £250 million on nationalising Cardiff airport etc.


The sad thing is, the people of Wales will still vote for these clowns.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:32 - Apr 18 with 2283 viewsmajorraglan

It’s Mark Drakeford not Paul.

The headline in the newspapers is a bit misleading, the programme the WG were initially looking to trial is the Universal Basic Income and it was intended to pay kids leaving care etc a basic income which would enable them to start standing on their on 2 feet, help them get their life in order and have prospects moving forward.
Children from this group (those who’ve been in care etc) are much more likely to have been exposed to ACE’s (Adverse Childhood Experiences) and are statistically much more likely to end up being offenders, victims of crime, involved in substance abuse, alcohol abuse etc and be long term problems for society and much more of a financial drain moving forward. The U.K. government have recognised that children leaving care or the protection of Social Services face major problems and that was one one the reasons they extended the obligation Local Authorities have towards young people leaving care from 18 to 21.
A local authority has a duty to monitor the arrangement and to provide advice, assistance and support to the 'former relevant child', with the view to maintaining the 'staying put' arrangement until the care leaver reaches the age of 21. This includes financial support. I suspect what’s being proposed by the WG isn’t a million miles off the obligations LA’s have already.

In terms of Asylum Seekers, I suspect the WG have considered these individuals to be vulnerable and deserving of similar protections as children in care. What’s then happened is that certain elements of the right wing press have publicised aspects of what’s happening, in particular the bits that would appeal to a certain audience. Isn’t it a bit strange that not long after the WG write to the Government in relation to this it appears in the right wing press!

I’ve had some experience of dealing with children who’ve been in care, many come from very troubled family backgrounds and have been “dragged up”, subject to abuse, drugs alcohol etc etc.
The system is failing and has failed many of these kids and for many it becomes a revolving door between police station, Court and prison.

I can’t say I’m in favour of the WG proposals because I’m not, but it’s not as straight forward and clear cut as some are making out and what we currently have isn’t working.
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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:39 - Apr 18 with 2260 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:32 - Apr 18 by majorraglan

It’s Mark Drakeford not Paul.

The headline in the newspapers is a bit misleading, the programme the WG were initially looking to trial is the Universal Basic Income and it was intended to pay kids leaving care etc a basic income which would enable them to start standing on their on 2 feet, help them get their life in order and have prospects moving forward.
Children from this group (those who’ve been in care etc) are much more likely to have been exposed to ACE’s (Adverse Childhood Experiences) and are statistically much more likely to end up being offenders, victims of crime, involved in substance abuse, alcohol abuse etc and be long term problems for society and much more of a financial drain moving forward. The U.K. government have recognised that children leaving care or the protection of Social Services face major problems and that was one one the reasons they extended the obligation Local Authorities have towards young people leaving care from 18 to 21.
A local authority has a duty to monitor the arrangement and to provide advice, assistance and support to the 'former relevant child', with the view to maintaining the 'staying put' arrangement until the care leaver reaches the age of 21. This includes financial support. I suspect what’s being proposed by the WG isn’t a million miles off the obligations LA’s have already.

In terms of Asylum Seekers, I suspect the WG have considered these individuals to be vulnerable and deserving of similar protections as children in care. What’s then happened is that certain elements of the right wing press have publicised aspects of what’s happening, in particular the bits that would appeal to a certain audience. Isn’t it a bit strange that not long after the WG write to the Government in relation to this it appears in the right wing press!

I’ve had some experience of dealing with children who’ve been in care, many come from very troubled family backgrounds and have been “dragged up”, subject to abuse, drugs alcohol etc etc.
The system is failing and has failed many of these kids and for many it becomes a revolving door between police station, Court and prison.

I can’t say I’m in favour of the WG proposals because I’m not, but it’s not as straight forward and clear cut as some are making out and what we currently have isn’t working.


I presume social care is devolved.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:42 - Apr 18 with 2257 viewsDr_Winston

The problem is "I had a shitty childhood" is just an excuse. Plenty of people had rubbish upbringings. A lot of them don't turn into anti-social shitbags.

Life is full of choices. Make the wrong ones and there's no reason why society should support you.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:43 - Apr 18 with 2256 viewsBoundy

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 20:24 - Apr 18 by Kilkennyjack

Chancers like Johnson and Mogg ?


Thread isn't about them so try and stay focused

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:57 - Apr 18 with 2235 viewsFlashberryjack

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:32 - Apr 18 by majorraglan

It’s Mark Drakeford not Paul.

The headline in the newspapers is a bit misleading, the programme the WG were initially looking to trial is the Universal Basic Income and it was intended to pay kids leaving care etc a basic income which would enable them to start standing on their on 2 feet, help them get their life in order and have prospects moving forward.
Children from this group (those who’ve been in care etc) are much more likely to have been exposed to ACE’s (Adverse Childhood Experiences) and are statistically much more likely to end up being offenders, victims of crime, involved in substance abuse, alcohol abuse etc and be long term problems for society and much more of a financial drain moving forward. The U.K. government have recognised that children leaving care or the protection of Social Services face major problems and that was one one the reasons they extended the obligation Local Authorities have towards young people leaving care from 18 to 21.
A local authority has a duty to monitor the arrangement and to provide advice, assistance and support to the 'former relevant child', with the view to maintaining the 'staying put' arrangement until the care leaver reaches the age of 21. This includes financial support. I suspect what’s being proposed by the WG isn’t a million miles off the obligations LA’s have already.

In terms of Asylum Seekers, I suspect the WG have considered these individuals to be vulnerable and deserving of similar protections as children in care. What’s then happened is that certain elements of the right wing press have publicised aspects of what’s happening, in particular the bits that would appeal to a certain audience. Isn’t it a bit strange that not long after the WG write to the Government in relation to this it appears in the right wing press!

I’ve had some experience of dealing with children who’ve been in care, many come from very troubled family backgrounds and have been “dragged up”, subject to abuse, drugs alcohol etc etc.
The system is failing and has failed many of these kids and for many it becomes a revolving door between police station, Court and prison.

I can’t say I’m in favour of the WG proposals because I’m not, but it’s not as straight forward and clear cut as some are making out and what we currently have isn’t working.


You make some fair points, but don't you think it's a little strange that at a time the UK government are trying to deter illegal immigrants from crossing the channel, Drakeford and his clowns come out with this idiotic plan, a plan they know damn well that Westminster won't sanction.

Shouldn't the Senedd be looking at what they can do to improve the living standards of the people of Wales, and not playing political games.

Apologies if I inadvertently called him Paul, I can tell you there's a lot worst name I would like to call him.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:04 - Apr 18 with 2206 viewsGwyn737

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:57 - Apr 18 by Flashberryjack

You make some fair points, but don't you think it's a little strange that at a time the UK government are trying to deter illegal immigrants from crossing the channel, Drakeford and his clowns come out with this idiotic plan, a plan they know damn well that Westminster won't sanction.

Shouldn't the Senedd be looking at what they can do to improve the living standards of the people of Wales, and not playing political games.

Apologies if I inadvertently called him Paul, I can tell you there's a lot worst name I would like to call him.


The timing does seem a little odd and it’s been presented in a pretty combative way.

As i posted earlier I’d like to know if it actually would cost more than the current system.

If it doesn’t then it could just be an attempt at political point scoring.
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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:07 - Apr 18 with 2201 viewsbuilthjack

My reading of this is that the Welsh Gov will give kids leaving care at 18, £1600 a month for 2 years, to give them a start in life.
It will include children who arrived on our shores unaccompanied, and have been in care until 18.

Imagine being in care as a kid. Not nice.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:08 - Apr 18 with 2199 viewsDr_Winston

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:04 - Apr 18 by Gwyn737

The timing does seem a little odd and it’s been presented in a pretty combative way.

As i posted earlier I’d like to know if it actually would cost more than the current system.

If it doesn’t then it could just be an attempt at political point scoring.


If Drakeford is involved then it's obviously an attempt at political point scoring. Witness the halfwits continual "We do things differently in Wales" mutterings at every point during Covid when the Westminster Govt's moves to release restrictions were proven right at every turn.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:20 - Apr 18 with 2192 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:08 - Apr 18 by Dr_Winston

If Drakeford is involved then it's obviously an attempt at political point scoring. Witness the halfwits continual "We do things differently in Wales" mutterings at every point during Covid when the Westminster Govt's moves to release restrictions were proven right at every turn.


People are blinded by some form of insanity. For example; Scotland's public services are in a right state. Get out the bag pipes, put up some roadsigns, say we hate the English, say freedom a lot, say Scotland the brave and what a proud nation we are and people vote in their droves, despite the evidence that they are paying more for less. Scotland has screwed itself. We have a huge issue in the UK with the quality of our elected representatives in every party and every Parliament. Here in Wales we are slipping down the same slope as Scotland.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:29 - Apr 18 with 2183 viewsDr_Winston

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:20 - Apr 18 by JACKMANANDBOY

People are blinded by some form of insanity. For example; Scotland's public services are in a right state. Get out the bag pipes, put up some roadsigns, say we hate the English, say freedom a lot, say Scotland the brave and what a proud nation we are and people vote in their droves, despite the evidence that they are paying more for less. Scotland has screwed itself. We have a huge issue in the UK with the quality of our elected representatives in every party and every Parliament. Here in Wales we are slipping down the same slope as Scotland.


The problem in both Parliaments is that there are altogether too many f*ckwits like Tramps or Kilks.

The primary concern of the devolved Goverments should be the improvements of the lives of the people that they Govern. In reality, they're either obsessed with Independence and/or corruption (Scotland), or petty point scoring against England (Wales).

We're going nowhere with juvenile and incompetent Governance like this.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:31 - Apr 18 with 2174 viewsDr_Winston

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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 22:59 - Apr 18 with 2143 viewsmajorraglan

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:57 - Apr 18 by Flashberryjack

You make some fair points, but don't you think it's a little strange that at a time the UK government are trying to deter illegal immigrants from crossing the channel, Drakeford and his clowns come out with this idiotic plan, a plan they know damn well that Westminster won't sanction.

Shouldn't the Senedd be looking at what they can do to improve the living standards of the people of Wales, and not playing political games.

Apologies if I inadvertently called him Paul, I can tell you there's a lot worst name I would like to call him.


100% the Senedd should be looking at improving the quality of life and the economic prospects of Wales, that should be the focus of their endeavours.

To be honest I despair at the quality of a lot of our politicians, we’ve got the well intentioned but misguided, the deceitful and corrupt, the incompetents and that applies to all the parties. Our MP’s are invariably drawn from local politicians, councillors etc so what we see at the apex is what we’re getting all the way through to the bottom of the pyramid. Just look at the ridiculous parking fees introduced by Swansea City Council - mental.

In terms of illegal immigrants it’s a shambles. We need to have a system where those who are genuinely at risk and genuinely in need of asylum have a pathway into the country while those who are not deserving of asylum or not genuine are refused entry or if they’ve got in to the country are removed. We don’t have the pathway, so we end up with loads of illegals and we don’t have a means of dealing with the existing claimants because for many years the government has cut the number of staff dealing with the applications hence the increase in numbers. The current ministers have to be careful what they say because much of the current mess was caused by some of their predecessors in Government.

The AM’s /Senedd have been very naive. I don’t agree with what’s been proposed and in the absence of a compelling case which I’ve not seen I’m not going to change my mind. Going to the government with a proposal like this, with an election around the corner and the home office having the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail on speed dial is madness. If I was Keir Starmer I’d be livid and I suspect Drakers card is marked.

I’m generally pro autonomy, but I’m becoming more disillusioned with some of the stuff going on up in the Bay and I’d welcome the opportunity to boot out Drakers et al just as much as I’d welcome the opportunity to boot out Boris and his cronies. We’ve got a raft of people completely out of touch with the general public.
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Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 23:05 - Apr 18 with 2135 viewsmajorraglan

Welsh Labour and Drakeford. on 21:39 - Apr 18 by JACKMANANDBOY

I presume social care is devolved.


Aspects of it most certainly are, but the bits I talked about in relation to kids is Westminster stuff. In fact, Local Authorities have to offer/provide a personal advisor service until the ex LAC (Looked After Child) is 25.
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