| Cymru 11:39 - May 4 with 4613 views | builthjack |
First it was the Welsh football team taking on the name. It's gone well.
So now the rugby have followed.
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| Cymru on 12:36 - May 9 with 1027 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cymru on 07:32 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Brexit has not cost up 4% of GDP that is another one of your lies.
What the report said is that Brexit " MAY" cause upto a 4% loss of our GDP over the next ten years. The key words are MAY, UPTO, OVER TEN YEARS.
It is a possible prediction from an organisation that has bern spectacularly wrong in its predictions even over the last year.
Anyway the UK voted to leave the undemocratic EU, which as you know appoints its President and all its 28 EU commissioners they are only people in the EU who have any power. |
15 years ….so calm down with the caps lock ffs ..
But the organisation is government appointed ….
‘For its part, the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR), the British government's fiscal watchdog, assumes that, over 15 years from 2016, Brexit will reduce GDP per capita by 4 per cent.’
At least we both agree with Brexit is a generational error, due to Johnson’s lies. 🇬🇧 |  |
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| Cymru on 13:45 - May 9 with 1005 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cymru on 12:36 - May 9 by Kilkennyjack |
15 years ….so calm down with the caps lock ffs ..
But the organisation is government appointed ….
‘For its part, the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR), the British government's fiscal watchdog, assumes that, over 15 years from 2016, Brexit will reduce GDP per capita by 4 per cent.’
At least we both agree with Brexit is a generational error, due to Johnson’s lies. 🇬🇧 |
You keep missing out the important part of the independent reports produced by independent bodies.
MAY BE UPTO 4% over 10 years . It could equally grow by upto 4% due to increased trade and the removal of the dead hand of EU regulations.
Brexit was the democratic will of the British people and it is far to soon to judge if it will be a success or not.
It is not as if the remainers did not lie they forecast 3 million job losses .
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| Cymru on 07:11 - May 10 with 934 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cymru on 13:45 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
You keep missing out the important part of the independent reports produced by independent bodies.
MAY BE UPTO 4% over 10 years . It could equally grow by upto 4% due to increased trade and the removal of the dead hand of EU regulations.
Brexit was the democratic will of the British people and it is far to soon to judge if it will be a success or not.
It is not as if the remainers did not lie they forecast 3 million job losses .
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Its failed.
Why do you think the Tory govt dont want an inquiry ?
Starmer as PM will ensure there is an inquiry.
We wont rejoin, but we will realign rapidly.
The world is laughing at Brexit Britain.
Johnson will be remembered as the worst PM ever.
I am still hoping he gets jailed over covid. | |
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| Cymru on 09:16 - May 10 with 905 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cymru on 07:11 - May 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Its failed.
Why do you think the Tory govt dont want an inquiry ?
Starmer as PM will ensure there is an inquiry.
We wont rejoin, but we will realign rapidly.
The world is laughing at Brexit Britain.
Johnson will be remembered as the worst PM ever.
I am still hoping he gets jailed over covid. |
Too early to say if the democratic wishes of the UK people is a failure.
Wonder why Sue Gray will not take part into the enquiry into her impartially for the enquiry she chaired at the same time as being in negotiations with Starmer for a job with Labour.
I see your Irish mate Micheal O'Leary the boss of Ryanair has snubbed the EU as he has placed an order for 300 Boeing aircraft. Another failure for the EU. | |
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| Cymru on 18:18 - May 10 with 868 views | SullutaCreturned |
The thing about democracy is, there is no guarantee of the right choice being voted for; we see that with the current government, they won the election but they are a disaster.
There is no rule that says any democratic vote has be a success ot it's reversed. otherwise we'd have ditched devolution!
Kilky, Felix, you two are as bad as each other. Left and right have both screwed this country over going back 50 years, they have both failed but what viable choice do we have?
Now we see the Plaid Cymru leader possibly about to be ousted because he too is useless, so we have one useless Welsh politician propping up a useless Welsh Labour leader and enabling things the Welsh public never voted for to be done.
Democracy is dead in Wales. | | | |
| Cymru on 18:24 - May 10 with 865 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cymru on 18:18 - May 10 by SullutaCreturned |
The thing about democracy is, there is no guarantee of the right choice being voted for; we see that with the current government, they won the election but they are a disaster.
There is no rule that says any democratic vote has be a success ot it's reversed. otherwise we'd have ditched devolution!
Kilky, Felix, you two are as bad as each other. Left and right have both screwed this country over going back 50 years, they have both failed but what viable choice do we have?
Now we see the Plaid Cymru leader possibly about to be ousted because he too is useless, so we have one useless Welsh politician propping up a useless Welsh Labour leader and enabling things the Welsh public never voted for to be done.
Democracy is dead in Wales. |
Great post.
That’s the thing with democracy- sometimes it’s ugly and things happen an individual doesn’t agree with.
Fortunately we do live in a place where you’re allowed to continue making the argument.
All the post Brexit “you lost - suck it up” is just daft. What happens after the next election if Labour get in? Do Tory voters have to shut up?
Of course not. A functioning democracy needs a strong opposition. | | | |
| Cymru on 19:53 - May 10 with 840 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cymru on 18:24 - May 10 by Gwyn737 |
Great post.
That’s the thing with democracy- sometimes it’s ugly and things happen an individual doesn’t agree with.
Fortunately we do live in a place where you’re allowed to continue making the argument.
All the post Brexit “you lost - suck it up” is just daft. What happens after the next election if Labour get in? Do Tory voters have to shut up?
Of course not. A functioning democracy needs a strong opposition. |
Maybe I should add, it's not just Wales where democracy is dead. Look around the world.
USA...dead and buried, the richest win the votes.
EU....who votes for the commissioners and Presidents, not the people.
China, Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Brazil (and many other South American countries)
The world is in a bad place politically. | | | |
| Cymru on 20:34 - May 10 with 832 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cymru on 19:53 - May 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Maybe I should add, it's not just Wales where democracy is dead. Look around the world.
USA...dead and buried, the richest win the votes.
EU....who votes for the commissioners and Presidents, not the people.
China, Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Brazil (and many other South American countries)
The world is in a bad place politically. |
In regards to the UK, I’m more positive than I’ve been for a while after being politically homeless for some years.
There’s some real quality on the Labour shadow front bench who haven’t got caught up in culture war nonsense. | | | |
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| Cymru on 20:37 - May 10 with 831 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cymru on 13:45 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
You keep missing out the important part of the independent reports produced by independent bodies.
MAY BE UPTO 4% over 10 years . It could equally grow by upto 4% due to increased trade and the removal of the dead hand of EU regulations.
Brexit was the democratic will of the British people and it is far to soon to judge if it will be a success or not.
It is not as if the remainers did not lie they forecast 3 million job losses .
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If you ran a successful business and lied to your stakeholders, then you would face prison time. Misleading deliberately can be deception.
But here we are ….. with Johnson having lied his fat behind off to con the British people to vote for Brexit. Turkey has still not joined the EU has it…?
Its deception, its deliberate and he should face prison time.
If its also proven that he accepted Russian money to part fund Leave then thats a very serious matter.
The electoral commission have already said the Brexit vote would not have stood if it was a mandatory referendum. Which is almost certainly why the Tories ensured it was badged as an advisory referendum instead. Although it was enacted as a mandatory referendum, of course.
Democratic it was not.
In the 2016 Brexit referendum, there were 700,000 British citizens who were not entitled to vote. That’s the combined populations of Exeter, Oxford, Norwich, Watford and Wigan. | |
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| Cymru on 21:00 - May 10 with 826 views | raynor94 |
| Cymru on 20:37 - May 10 by Kilkennyjack |
If you ran a successful business and lied to your stakeholders, then you would face prison time. Misleading deliberately can be deception.
But here we are ….. with Johnson having lied his fat behind off to con the British people to vote for Brexit. Turkey has still not joined the EU has it…?
Its deception, its deliberate and he should face prison time.
If its also proven that he accepted Russian money to part fund Leave then thats a very serious matter.
The electoral commission have already said the Brexit vote would not have stood if it was a mandatory referendum. Which is almost certainly why the Tories ensured it was badged as an advisory referendum instead. Although it was enacted as a mandatory referendum, of course.
Democratic it was not.
In the 2016 Brexit referendum, there were 700,000 British citizens who were not entitled to vote. That’s the combined populations of Exeter, Oxford, Norwich, Watford and Wigan. |
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| Cymru on 21:03 - May 10 with 825 views | builthjack |
So what do we think of the rugby now calling themselves Cymru ? [Post edited 11 May 2023 17:07]
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| Cymru on 07:37 - May 11 with 778 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cymru on 20:37 - May 10 by Kilkennyjack |
If you ran a successful business and lied to your stakeholders, then you would face prison time. Misleading deliberately can be deception.
But here we are ….. with Johnson having lied his fat behind off to con the British people to vote for Brexit. Turkey has still not joined the EU has it…?
Its deception, its deliberate and he should face prison time.
If its also proven that he accepted Russian money to part fund Leave then thats a very serious matter.
The electoral commission have already said the Brexit vote would not have stood if it was a mandatory referendum. Which is almost certainly why the Tories ensured it was badged as an advisory referendum instead. Although it was enacted as a mandatory referendum, of course.
Democratic it was not.
In the 2016 Brexit referendum, there were 700,000 British citizens who were not entitled to vote. That’s the combined populations of Exeter, Oxford, Norwich, Watford and Wigan. |
Everyone who was a registered voter in the UK was allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum. No one was denied a vote so that is another lie from you.
Mind you an estimated 610,000 Welshmen who are registered as voters in the UK outside Wales, I.e, England Scotland and NI were denied a vote in the Welsh Devolution referendum.
The reason why Turkey membership application has not been accepted is because of human rights issues.
The turn out for the Brexit referendum was over 72% which is higher than for a general election. It was truly the most democratic vote in the UK in many years.
Turn out for Welsh Devolution was 50% [Post edited 11 May 2023 7:44]
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| Cymru on 09:02 - May 11 with 747 views | majorraglan |
| Cymru on 07:37 - May 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Everyone who was a registered voter in the UK was allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum. No one was denied a vote so that is another lie from you.
Mind you an estimated 610,000 Welshmen who are registered as voters in the UK outside Wales, I.e, England Scotland and NI were denied a vote in the Welsh Devolution referendum.
The reason why Turkey membership application has not been accepted is because of human rights issues.
The turn out for the Brexit referendum was over 72% which is higher than for a general election. It was truly the most democratic vote in the UK in many years.
Turn out for Welsh Devolution was 50% [Post edited 11 May 2023 7:44]
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You make the point about Welsh people living in the rest of the U.K. being denied a vote in the devolution referendum, what about the million or so U.K. citizens who were residing in the EU at the time of the Brexit vote being denied a vote? Brexit has had a far bigger impact on expats than the Senedd has had on Welsh people living in the rest of the U.K. and the expats were denied a vote. I’d argue it was far from the most democratic vote in the U.K. in many years. | | | |
| Cymru on 09:23 - May 11 with 729 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cymru on 09:02 - May 11 by majorraglan |
You make the point about Welsh people living in the rest of the U.K. being denied a vote in the devolution referendum, what about the million or so U.K. citizens who were residing in the EU at the time of the Brexit vote being denied a vote? Brexit has had a far bigger impact on expats than the Senedd has had on Welsh people living in the rest of the U.K. and the expats were denied a vote. I’d argue it was far from the most democratic vote in the U.K. in many years. |
I think that was killy point he wanted UK citizens living outside the UK to be able to vote in UK referendum. I just countered by saying what about Welshmen living in the rest of the UK being able to vote in the Welsh referendum. He can't have it both ways.
As too your post about UK citizens living in the rest of the EU could not vote, around 3.5 million citizens of other EU countries were living in the UK and were eligible to vote in the EU referendum. The EU citizens living in the UK and eligible to vote out numbered the 1 million expats living in the EU 3 to 1 so their effect was greater.
Probably correct that people should only be able to vote in countries or constituencies they reside in. | |
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| Cymru on 14:29 - May 11 with 713 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cymru on 09:02 - May 11 by majorraglan |
You make the point about Welsh people living in the rest of the U.K. being denied a vote in the devolution referendum, what about the million or so U.K. citizens who were residing in the EU at the time of the Brexit vote being denied a vote? Brexit has had a far bigger impact on expats than the Senedd has had on Welsh people living in the rest of the U.K. and the expats were denied a vote. I’d argue it was far from the most democratic vote in the U.K. in many years. |
And you would be correct.
Well said. | |
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| Cymru on 17:12 - May 11 with 692 views | builthjack |
| Cymru on 20:37 - May 10 by Kilkennyjack |
If you ran a successful business and lied to your stakeholders, then you would face prison time. Misleading deliberately can be deception.
But here we are ….. with Johnson having lied his fat behind off to con the British people to vote for Brexit. Turkey has still not joined the EU has it…?
Its deception, its deliberate and he should face prison time.
If its also proven that he accepted Russian money to part fund Leave then thats a very serious matter.
The electoral commission have already said the Brexit vote would not have stood if it was a mandatory referendum. Which is almost certainly why the Tories ensured it was badged as an advisory referendum instead. Although it was enacted as a mandatory referendum, of course.
Democratic it was not.
In the 2016 Brexit referendum, there were 700,000 British citizens who were not entitled to vote. That’s the combined populations of Exeter, Oxford, Norwich, Watford and Wigan. |
And now us taxpayers have to pick up Johnsons legal bill for his lying to parliament and the Queen.
£250,000 so far.
He should be behind bars.
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| Cymru on 20:04 - May 11 with 669 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cymru on 20:37 - May 10 by Kilkennyjack |
If you ran a successful business and lied to your stakeholders, then you would face prison time. Misleading deliberately can be deception.
But here we are ….. with Johnson having lied his fat behind off to con the British people to vote for Brexit. Turkey has still not joined the EU has it…?
Its deception, its deliberate and he should face prison time.
If its also proven that he accepted Russian money to part fund Leave then thats a very serious matter.
The electoral commission have already said the Brexit vote would not have stood if it was a mandatory referendum. Which is almost certainly why the Tories ensured it was badged as an advisory referendum instead. Although it was enacted as a mandatory referendum, of course.
Democratic it was not.
In the 2016 Brexit referendum, there were 700,000 British citizens who were not entitled to vote. That’s the combined populations of Exeter, Oxford, Norwich, Watford and Wigan. |
I don't remember the commission saying th vote wouldn't have stood. I do remember the commission apologising to breit voters for the "witch hunt" and their new boss, John Pullinger....the watchdog’s new boss, has admitted that Vote Leave activists were subjected to "horrible" experiences that must never be repeated. His remarks are the first public apology by a senior figure over the way it pursued pro-Brexit activists such as Darren Grimes.
Vote leave did undeed break electoral laws but then the government under Cameron got around those spending laws bysending out their leaflets very early, not illegal byt still eyhically dubious seeing as the tax payer funded the pro EU "vote remain" propaganda.
Now those 700k people you say were denied a vote, if they had all voted remain it wouldn't have changed the result but lets run with it and say the vote should be retaken and they should all be given voting slips. In that case then the Welsh devo vote needs to be re-run also.
Do you accept that? if anything t's an even more valid argument because the devo vote was so close that just another 7000 votes would change it and devo would never have happened. | | | |
| Cymru on 11:22 - May 12 with 632 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cymru on 20:04 - May 11 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't remember the commission saying th vote wouldn't have stood. I do remember the commission apologising to breit voters for the "witch hunt" and their new boss, John Pullinger....the watchdog’s new boss, has admitted that Vote Leave activists were subjected to "horrible" experiences that must never be repeated. His remarks are the first public apology by a senior figure over the way it pursued pro-Brexit activists such as Darren Grimes.
Vote leave did undeed break electoral laws but then the government under Cameron got around those spending laws bysending out their leaflets very early, not illegal byt still eyhically dubious seeing as the tax payer funded the pro EU "vote remain" propaganda.
Now those 700k people you say were denied a vote, if they had all voted remain it wouldn't have changed the result but lets run with it and say the vote should be retaken and they should all be given voting slips. In that case then the Welsh devo vote needs to be re-run also.
Do you accept that? if anything t's an even more valid argument because the devo vote was so close that just another 7000 votes would change it and devo would never have happened. |
The Guardian covered it ….
‘Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 after being found guilty of breaking electoral law during the Brexit campaign. Two people have been referred to the police. But with this initial investigation concluded, Britain faces a difficult period of soul searching over what to do about this evidence of extensive wrongdoing.
Most British elections are guaranteed by law. If evidence of serious cheating is uncovered they can be scrutinised and overturned in an “election court”, overseen by high court judges.
However, because the Brexit referendum was only an advisory vote there are no legal channels to challenge the result. Only parliament can investigate the result, declare it void or demand a re-run’.
If you did not know better …… you might think that was why it was deemed advisory in the first place ? | |
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| Cymru on 12:04 - May 12 with 621 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cymru on 11:22 - May 12 by Kilkennyjack |
The Guardian covered it ….
‘Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 after being found guilty of breaking electoral law during the Brexit campaign. Two people have been referred to the police. But with this initial investigation concluded, Britain faces a difficult period of soul searching over what to do about this evidence of extensive wrongdoing.
Most British elections are guaranteed by law. If evidence of serious cheating is uncovered they can be scrutinised and overturned in an “election court”, overseen by high court judges.
However, because the Brexit referendum was only an advisory vote there are no legal channels to challenge the result. Only parliament can investigate the result, declare it void or demand a re-run’.
If you did not know better …… you might think that was why it was deemed advisory in the first place ? |
Dont you accept democratic process. The UK voted to leave the EU in a referendum all political parties said they would respect the result.
You seemed perfectly happy to accept the result of a Welsh Devolution referendum which had a tiny majority. | |
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| Cymru on 13:19 - May 12 with 598 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cymru on 18:24 - May 10 by Gwyn737 |
Great post.
That’s the thing with democracy- sometimes it’s ugly and things happen an individual doesn’t agree with.
Fortunately we do live in a place where you’re allowed to continue making the argument.
All the post Brexit “you lost - suck it up” is just daft. What happens after the next election if Labour get in? Do Tory voters have to shut up?
Of course not. A functioning democracy needs a strong opposition. |
For democracy to function successfully you need a thoughtful, considered non partisan electorate. We don’t have that. It was said by Socrates almost two and a half thousand years ago that letting ignorant citizens choose the government was as irresponsible as letting them sail a trireme to Samos in a storm. They laughed at him and he had to give up philosophy but he did go on to put in a fantastic performance in the 1982 World Cup in Spain.
The reason the same dross is continuously voted in to offices of power well beyond their ability is because of the ignorance of the electorate as a whole. |  |
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| Cymru on 15:31 - May 12 with 566 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cymru on 13:19 - May 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
For democracy to function successfully you need a thoughtful, considered non partisan electorate. We don’t have that. It was said by Socrates almost two and a half thousand years ago that letting ignorant citizens choose the government was as irresponsible as letting them sail a trireme to Samos in a storm. They laughed at him and he had to give up philosophy but he did go on to put in a fantastic performance in the 1982 World Cup in Spain.
The reason the same dross is continuously voted in to offices of power well beyond their ability is because of the ignorance of the electorate as a whole. |
Have we ever had a non-partisan electorate? | | | |
| Cymru on 15:42 - May 12 with 565 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cymru on 11:22 - May 12 by Kilkennyjack |
The Guardian covered it ….
‘Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 after being found guilty of breaking electoral law during the Brexit campaign. Two people have been referred to the police. But with this initial investigation concluded, Britain faces a difficult period of soul searching over what to do about this evidence of extensive wrongdoing.
Most British elections are guaranteed by law. If evidence of serious cheating is uncovered they can be scrutinised and overturned in an “election court”, overseen by high court judges.
However, because the Brexit referendum was only an advisory vote there are no legal channels to challenge the result. Only parliament can investigate the result, declare it void or demand a re-run’.
If you did not know better …… you might think that was why it was deemed advisory in the first place ? |
Even if it was mandatory it wasn't an election so could it be overturned?
You do know the difference between an election and a referendum?
Besides which the serving PM made a promise that the result would be honoured and he was an ardent remainer who campaigned for remain (by sending out thse leaflets) in which case your supposition about why it was "deemed advisory" would be entirely wrong.
Two people referred to police, out of how many? it's hardly extensive but if they broke laws then charge them. | | | |
| Cymru on 19:12 - May 12 with 531 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cymru on 15:31 - May 12 by Gwyn737 |
Have we ever had a non-partisan electorate? |
What I mean by that is a considered thought out informed vote rather than just nailing yourself to a party like a football team and voting for them because your dad did or because the other lot are evil scum or something. | |
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| Cymru on 20:55 - May 12 with 506 views | Togg |
| Cymru on 13:19 - May 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
For democracy to function successfully you need a thoughtful, considered non partisan electorate. We don’t have that. It was said by Socrates almost two and a half thousand years ago that letting ignorant citizens choose the government was as irresponsible as letting them sail a trireme to Samos in a storm. They laughed at him and he had to give up philosophy but he did go on to put in a fantastic performance in the 1982 World Cup in Spain.
The reason the same dross is continuously voted in to offices of power well beyond their ability is because of the ignorance of the electorate as a whole. |
Socrates the Brasilian not the Philosopher. Used to smoke like a trooper. 82 Brazil what a team! | | | |
| Cymru on 00:12 - May 13 with 465 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cymru on 20:55 - May 12 by Togg |
Socrates the Brasilian not the Philosopher. Used to smoke like a trooper. 82 Brazil what a team! |
The Brazilians see their loss to Italy as “the day football died” and still mourn it as their swashbuckling flamboyant style led by the mercurial Socrates and Zico were knocked out by the overtly cautious, negatively functional and cynical Italian side | |
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