| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 97693 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:34 - Dec 12 with 1082 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:06 - Dec 12 by pencoedjack |
Probably be a good idea for him (& others) to visit the Netherlands & see their infrastructure & how its easy for them to use bikes.
Motorways, rail & trams are all excellent & Utrecht is somewhat easier to cycle in than (as an example) Neath.
I don't think 1 person disagrees with 20 mph outside schools. |
The Netherlands is a lot more densely populated than Wales, it’s twice the size but has 6 times the population so it’s easier to have an integrated transport network. It also helps that it’s flatter and dryer than Wales. Cardiff, Newport and Swansea should all have an excellent integrated transportation and they should have seemless connections to the valleys and in Swansea’s case Neath, Port Talbot and Llanelli and those towns should have connections in to their local communities.
I totally agree with the concept of promoting cycling and walking, but my preference would be for a better network of cycle tracks because even at 20mph we've still got the morons texting on their phones.
I have no issue with the 20mph limit in busy town centres, outside schools, care homes, hospitals and some other locations, however on trunk roads, arterial routes and other main roads I think it’s madness.
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| The 20MPH punishments on 06:08 - Dec 13 with 1045 views | Whiterockin |
That's not surprising, if Drakeford continues to ignore the opposition to the law then it will come back to bite them. You would think members of his party would start to put pressure on him because he will not be leader at the next election and they will have to carry the can. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 06:12 - Dec 13 with 1038 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:34 - Dec 12 by majorraglan |
The Netherlands is a lot more densely populated than Wales, it’s twice the size but has 6 times the population so it’s easier to have an integrated transport network. It also helps that it’s flatter and dryer than Wales. Cardiff, Newport and Swansea should all have an excellent integrated transportation and they should have seemless connections to the valleys and in Swansea’s case Neath, Port Talbot and Llanelli and those towns should have connections in to their local communities.
I totally agree with the concept of promoting cycling and walking, but my preference would be for a better network of cycle tracks because even at 20mph we've still got the morons texting on their phones.
I have no issue with the 20mph limit in busy town centres, outside schools, care homes, hospitals and some other locations, however on trunk roads, arterial routes and other main roads I think it’s madness.
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"I have no issue with the 20mph limit in busy town centres, outside schools, care homes, hospitals and some other locations, however on trunk roads, arterial routes and other main roads I think it’s madness."
This is exactly what the majority in Wales feel and the percentage is still growing. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:25 - Dec 13 with 1008 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:34 - Dec 12 by majorraglan |
The Netherlands is a lot more densely populated than Wales, it’s twice the size but has 6 times the population so it’s easier to have an integrated transport network. It also helps that it’s flatter and dryer than Wales. Cardiff, Newport and Swansea should all have an excellent integrated transportation and they should have seemless connections to the valleys and in Swansea’s case Neath, Port Talbot and Llanelli and those towns should have connections in to their local communities.
I totally agree with the concept of promoting cycling and walking, but my preference would be for a better network of cycle tracks because even at 20mph we've still got the morons texting on their phones.
I have no issue with the 20mph limit in busy town centres, outside schools, care homes, hospitals and some other locations, however on trunk roads, arterial routes and other main roads I think it’s madness.
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The attitude of drivers towards cyclists is appalling in this country.
That is also something that needs to change .
Cyclists have priority in the Netherlands.Imagine that here . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:08 - Dec 13 with 962 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:25 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
The attitude of drivers towards cyclists is appalling in this country.
That is also something that needs to change .
Cyclists have priority in the Netherlands.Imagine that here . |
True BUT too many cyclists also have an awful attitude to cars and the rules of the road, | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:13 - Dec 13 with 926 views | union_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:08 - Dec 13 by SullutaCreturned |
True BUT too many cyclists also have an awful attitude to cars and the rules of the road, |
That’s because drivers have no patience in this country.
To change the mindset would be a mammoth task but it needs to happen. Cyclists are vulnerable and having to overtake one is not going to hold anyone’s journey up one second.
I’ve been a cyclist, sadly not anymore, and I’ve encountered more idiots you could throw a stick at behind the wheel of a car!! |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:11 - Dec 13 with 911 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:13 - Dec 13 by union_jack |
That’s because drivers have no patience in this country.
To change the mindset would be a mammoth task but it needs to happen. Cyclists are vulnerable and having to overtake one is not going to hold anyone’s journey up one second.
I’ve been a cyclist, sadly not anymore, and I’ve encountered more idiots you could throw a stick at behind the wheel of a car!! |
Cyclist are seen by motorists as an obstacle rather than a hazard . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 23:13 - Dec 13 with 862 views | majorraglan |
Lots of good points about cyclists and drivers, there’s good and bad in both camps. The Netherlands is a great place to visit, years ago when our kids were much younger we took our caravan and bikes there on a summer holiday and we cycled everywhere including on to the city centre in complete safety and with no hassle. Great place to visit. | | | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 07:44 - Dec 14 with 838 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:13 - Dec 13 by majorraglan |
Lots of good points about cyclists and drivers, there’s good and bad in both camps. The Netherlands is a great place to visit, years ago when our kids were much younger we took our caravan and bikes there on a summer holiday and we cycled everywhere including on to the city centre in complete safety and with no hassle. Great place to visit. |
I do think it helps greatly when a country is so flat, if Wales was similar it would be a lot easier to encourage people to cycle more. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:24 - Dec 15 with 769 views | felixstowe_jack |
Fines are now being issued by automatic speed cameras in both South Wales and Mid Wales for exceeding the 20mph speed limit, although none have yet been issuesd in North Wales. Fine started to be imposed towards the end of November. So much for posters claims on here that it was not a revenue raising scheme and the first year would be an " education " phase and no fines would be imposed. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:28 - Dec 15 with 766 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:44 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
I do think it helps greatly when a country is so flat, if Wales was similar it would be a lot easier to encourage people to cycle more. |
Well, the attraction of Wales IS the hills which real cyclists go for a challenge.
Horseshoe Pass is very popular .
Dozens at anytime time at The Ponderosa cafe | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:29 - Dec 15 with 763 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:24 - Dec 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Fines are now being issued by automatic speed cameras in both South Wales and Mid Wales for exceeding the 20mph speed limit, although none have yet been issuesd in North Wales. Fine started to be imposed towards the end of November. So much for posters claims on here that it was not a revenue raising scheme and the first year would be an " education " phase and no fines would be imposed. |
We go swimming in Bala lake pretty regularly in the summer but we might well look for alternatives now.
Speed limits change very sharply in many place en route from ours . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:43 - Dec 15 with 760 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:28 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
Well, the attraction of Wales IS the hills which real cyclists go for a challenge.
Horseshoe Pass is very popular .
Dozens at anytime time at The Ponderosa cafe |
This is true, but if you are trying to encourage motorists to cycle the hills will not help. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:15 - Dec 15 with 745 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:43 - Dec 15 by Whiterockin |
This is true, but if you are trying to encourage motorists to cycle the hills will not help. |
Fair enough regarding rudimentary everyday cycling . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:00 - Dec 15 with 739 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:24 - Dec 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Fines are now being issued by automatic speed cameras in both South Wales and Mid Wales for exceeding the 20mph speed limit, although none have yet been issuesd in North Wales. Fine started to be imposed towards the end of November. So much for posters claims on here that it was not a revenue raising scheme and the first year would be an " education " phase and no fines would be imposed. |
Stick to he speed limit and you won’t get booked. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:15 - Dec 15 with 724 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:00 - Dec 15 by lifelong |
Stick to he speed limit and you won’t get booked. |
Stick to driving safely under 30mph you are unlikely to be involved in any serious accidents. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:03 - Dec 15 with 715 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:15 - Dec 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Stick to driving safely under 30mph you are unlikely to be involved in any serious accidents. |
Even less of a chance if driving at 20mph. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:35 - Dec 15 with 694 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:03 - Dec 15 by lifelong |
Even less of a chance if driving at 20mph. |
Prove it. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:21 - Dec 15 with 659 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:35 - Dec 15 by Whiterockin |
Prove it. |
It can’t be .
Medal against soft flesh wins .
Every time . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 14:42 - Dec 15 with 657 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:35 - Dec 15 by Whiterockin |
Prove it. |
Common sense proves it, also the stopping distances. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:49 - Dec 15 with 654 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:42 - Dec 15 by lifelong |
Common sense proves it, also the stopping distances. |
Stopping distances irrelevant when the jerks are texting,day dreaming or thinking about what to have for tea.Stopping distances of cars prior to 1980 were light years away from vehicles nowadays .
Many pedestrians are hit and killed because the driver didn’t see them at all,even more so with anyone on two wheels who are invisible to most car drivers . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:39 - Dec 15 with 637 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:42 - Dec 15 by lifelong |
Common sense proves it, also the stopping distances. |
Drakeford does not have any common sense. He ignored the research which concluded that lower the speed to mph has NO significant effect on reducing accidents.
Other research showed most accidents in 30mph zones were caused by speeding, drink or drug driving, careless and dangerous driving and pedestrians not paying propper attention. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 18:40 - Dec 15 with 615 views | shingle |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:25 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
The attitude of drivers towards cyclists is appalling in this country.
That is also something that needs to change .
Cyclists have priority in the Netherlands.Imagine that here . |
In Amsterdam for 3 years at least the main cause of serious and minor injuries are caused by cyclists colliding with pedestrians, they are a total liability but fully backed by the law there. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:25 - Dec 15 with 588 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:39 - Dec 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford does not have any common sense. He ignored the research which concluded that lower the speed to mph has NO significant effect on reducing accidents.
Other research showed most accidents in 30mph zones were caused by speeding, drink or drug driving, careless and dangerous driving and pedestrians not paying propper attention. |
He is very highly qualified | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:43 - Dec 15 with 574 views | Boundy |
I don't want to but as its Christmas, highly qualified in what exactly ?,unless you mean Latin of course [Post edited 15 Dec 2023 20:43]
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