| UK Economy 17:12 - Sep 1 with 6203 views | SullutaCreturned |
Apparently it's doing better thn some thought and we are not bottom of the G7.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/bus
So maybe don't 100% believe estimates and don't keep writing the UK off because it suits your agenda? |  | | |  |
| UK Economy on 20:30 - Sep 14 with 1164 views | SullutaCreturned |
people can ignore you too. | | | |
| UK Economy on 20:57 - Sep 14 with 1142 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK Economy on 18:32 - Sep 13 by SullutaCreturned |
So mid table in the G7 not rock bottom as some people claimed AND manufacturing on the rise, it's not quite the doom mongers wet dream after all.
PS, Contro, constantly going off topic used to draw a punishment in the old days, it was kind of a rule, don't hijack threads. people would get a small ban for persistent offenders.
Kilkenny would be screwed...and Resloven. |
Question is would we be higher if not for Brexit?
Other comparisons don’t really matter. | | | |
| UK Economy on 21:22 - Sep 14 with 1125 views | controversial_jack |
| UK Economy on 18:32 - Sep 13 by SullutaCreturned |
So mid table in the G7 not rock bottom as some people claimed AND manufacturing on the rise, it's not quite the doom mongers wet dream after all.
PS, Contro, constantly going off topic used to draw a punishment in the old days, it was kind of a rule, don't hijack threads. people would get a small ban for persistent offenders.
Kilkenny would be screwed...and Resloven. |
Almost every thread on here deviates and goes off topic | | | |
| UK Economy on 21:39 - Sep 14 with 1120 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 21:22 - Sep 14 by controversial_jack |
Almost every thread on here deviates and goes off topic |
Yes usually hijacked by CJ and Killy to promote their funny ideas. | |
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| UK Economy on 07:49 - Sep 15 with 1060 views | SullutaCreturned |
| UK Economy on 20:57 - Sep 14 by Gwyn737 |
Question is would we be higher if not for Brexit?
Other comparisons don’t really matter. |
Well we are higher than other EU countries at the moment BUT we are the only G7 country expected to be in recession this year.
I guess the important thing there is our fantastic (not) Chancellor has said he's happy with that because we need to get inflation down, so the government knows its strategy could put us into recession, great eh.
Our manufacturing exports are increasing which is good.
Our debt to GDP is lower than most of them though. The USA and Japan must surely be in trouble soon, their debt is 129% and 161% respectively and we have a lower rate than France and Italy.
Thing is, Gwyn, Brexit was always a long term deal. Sometimes you have to accept short term pain for long term gain.
All we can hope is that we do get long term gain. Nothing is guaranteed though.
it'll be a good start when we dump the tories at the next GE....I HOPE! | | | |
| UK Economy on 07:55 - Sep 15 with 1051 views | Whiterockin |
| UK Economy on 20:57 - Sep 14 by Gwyn737 |
Question is would we be higher if not for Brexit?
Other comparisons don’t really matter. |
An alternative thought would be, would we be lower if not for brexit. The truth is nobody knows. |  | | |
| UK Economy on 08:00 - Sep 15 with 1042 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 07:49 - Sep 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Well we are higher than other EU countries at the moment BUT we are the only G7 country expected to be in recession this year.
I guess the important thing there is our fantastic (not) Chancellor has said he's happy with that because we need to get inflation down, so the government knows its strategy could put us into recession, great eh.
Our manufacturing exports are increasing which is good.
Our debt to GDP is lower than most of them though. The USA and Japan must surely be in trouble soon, their debt is 129% and 161% respectively and we have a lower rate than France and Italy.
Thing is, Gwyn, Brexit was always a long term deal. Sometimes you have to accept short term pain for long term gain.
All we can hope is that we do get long term gain. Nothing is guaranteed though.
it'll be a good start when we dump the tories at the next GE....I HOPE! |
Except of course Germany is actually in recession and the UK is not despite the unions concerted efforts to drag us into recession with inflated wage demands and strike actions. | |
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| UK Economy on 08:06 - Sep 15 with 1037 views | SullutaCreturned |
| UK Economy on 08:00 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Except of course Germany is actually in recession and the UK is not despite the unions concerted efforts to drag us into recession with inflated wage demands and strike actions. |
Well yes, germany has taken them by surprise BUT felix, come on now. Rich people aren't being affected by inflation but the rdianry people on the street are struggling, they need decent pay rises and wages have been falling behind for decades.
Why can't the people who generate vast wealth for individuals get a fair share of it? Nobody wants to be on strike because they lose money, you have to be desperate. | | | |
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| UK Economy on 08:06 - Sep 15 with 1037 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK Economy on 08:00 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Except of course Germany is actually in recession and the UK is not despite the unions concerted efforts to drag us into recession with inflated wage demands and strike actions. |
Do you honestly believe that the state of the economy is due to stiking workers?
How high up the list do you think it comes? | | | |
| UK Economy on 08:17 - Sep 15 with 1026 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 08:06 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
Do you honestly believe that the state of the economy is due to stiking workers?
How high up the list do you think it comes? |
Do you honestly believe strking workers have no influence on the fall in GDP?
That is the whole point off strikes to cause the maximum disruption they can. Otherwise why strike and loose wages? | |
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| UK Economy on 08:20 - Sep 15 with 1025 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK Economy on 08:17 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Do you honestly believe strking workers have no influence on the fall in GDP?
That is the whole point off strikes to cause the maximum disruption they can. Otherwise why strike and loose wages? |
Of course they do, but to point that out as THE reason for falling GDP is ridiculous,
Stiil, most of the strikes are settled now at rates below private sector wage growth so you can take comfort in that.
52% of target for secondary teacher recruitment this year. Can't think why. | | | |
| UK Economy on 08:49 - Sep 15 with 1003 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 08:20 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
Of course they do, but to point that out as THE reason for falling GDP is ridiculous,
Stiil, most of the strikes are settled now at rates below private sector wage growth so you can take comfort in that.
52% of target for secondary teacher recruitment this year. Can't think why. |
It is one of the factors I never said it was the main factor please read the post first.
The main reason for the fall in GDP in nearly all countries are.
Covoid
Global Supply shortages after Covoid pushing up prices.
War in Ukraine pushing up energy and food prices.
GDP in the UK has increased this year not FALLEN.
July's fall according to ONS was due to wet weather and very high numbers of strikes in private sector, NHS and education in particular.
Public sector productivity is still 6% below precovoid levels despite 100,000 extra public sector workers. They public sector pretends they "are working from home" despite facts that prove they are less productive and most of the strikes are also in public sector. | |
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| UK Economy on 09:20 - Sep 15 with 974 views | controversial_jack |
That's freedom of expression, but they will be missing out if they do | | | |
| UK Economy on 09:22 - Sep 15 with 972 views | controversial_jack |
| UK Economy on 07:49 - Sep 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Well we are higher than other EU countries at the moment BUT we are the only G7 country expected to be in recession this year.
I guess the important thing there is our fantastic (not) Chancellor has said he's happy with that because we need to get inflation down, so the government knows its strategy could put us into recession, great eh.
Our manufacturing exports are increasing which is good.
Our debt to GDP is lower than most of them though. The USA and Japan must surely be in trouble soon, their debt is 129% and 161% respectively and we have a lower rate than France and Italy.
Thing is, Gwyn, Brexit was always a long term deal. Sometimes you have to accept short term pain for long term gain.
All we can hope is that we do get long term gain. Nothing is guaranteed though.
it'll be a good start when we dump the tories at the next GE....I HOPE! |
Have to expect short term pain, lol, so those who voted for Brexit voted for something worse than we have? I always knew Brexiters weren't the sharpest of people | | | |
| UK Economy on 09:31 - Sep 15 with 974 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK Economy on 08:49 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
It is one of the factors I never said it was the main factor please read the post first.
The main reason for the fall in GDP in nearly all countries are.
Covoid
Global Supply shortages after Covoid pushing up prices.
War in Ukraine pushing up energy and food prices.
GDP in the UK has increased this year not FALLEN.
July's fall according to ONS was due to wet weather and very high numbers of strikes in private sector, NHS and education in particular.
Public sector productivity is still 6% below precovoid levels despite 100,000 extra public sector workers. They public sector pretends they "are working from home" despite facts that prove they are less productive and most of the strikes are also in public sector. |
Which public servants are you talking about?
Doctors? Nurses? Paramedics? Firefighers? Police? School workers? Those who have to work from home as LAs have sold off their offices due to crippling austerity cuts?
Or are you just using a blanket term blaming to suit a narrative?
Edit: No, you didn't say it was the main one. You've missed out a few on your list though. The ones you never mention. Like austerity. Or the Truss budget. Or the car crash that has been the Tory party since 2016 with the revolving door of leaders and ministers. [Post edited 15 Sep 2023 10:14]
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| UK Economy on 11:09 - Sep 15 with 946 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 09:31 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
Which public servants are you talking about?
Doctors? Nurses? Paramedics? Firefighers? Police? School workers? Those who have to work from home as LAs have sold off their offices due to crippling austerity cuts?
Or are you just using a blanket term blaming to suit a narrative?
Edit: No, you didn't say it was the main one. You've missed out a few on your list though. The ones you never mention. Like austerity. Or the Truss budget. Or the car crash that has been the Tory party since 2016 with the revolving door of leaders and ministers. [Post edited 15 Sep 2023 10:14]
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What Austerity? That ended after the Conservatives Liberal coalition government was replaced after the 2015 general election. Government spending increasing by more than inflation every year since. I know Labour like to state the MYTH of Austerity as fact but it is lie.
DVLA have not sold of any offices just a fact that neatly 50% of civil servants in some departments have not returned to their empty buildings
The Truss budget last less than a month and was quickly reversed unlike the 13 years of budgets under Brown/Blair.
Please look up the definition of Austerity and compare it to reality. | |
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| UK Economy on 11:26 - Sep 15 with 933 views | SullutaCreturned |
| UK Economy on 11:09 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
What Austerity? That ended after the Conservatives Liberal coalition government was replaced after the 2015 general election. Government spending increasing by more than inflation every year since. I know Labour like to state the MYTH of Austerity as fact but it is lie.
DVLA have not sold of any offices just a fact that neatly 50% of civil servants in some departments have not returned to their empty buildings
The Truss budget last less than a month and was quickly reversed unlike the 13 years of budgets under Brown/Blair.
Please look up the definition of Austerity and compare it to reality. |
The Truss budgetwas mostly reversed 3 weeks later but the damage it did lasted much longer. Confidence can be knocked in a few minutes but take months to recover.
Kwarteng's announcements sent shockwaves through the markets. | | | |
| UK Economy on 11:42 - Sep 15 with 927 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 11:26 - Sep 15 by SullutaCreturned |
The Truss budgetwas mostly reversed 3 weeks later but the damage it did lasted much longer. Confidence can be knocked in a few minutes but take months to recover.
Kwarteng's announcements sent shockwaves through the markets. |
That is why the Pound has increased against the Euro and the dollar since truss was replaced and is now above its pre Truss value level. | |
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| UK Economy on 11:54 - Sep 15 with 918 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK Economy on 11:09 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
What Austerity? That ended after the Conservatives Liberal coalition government was replaced after the 2015 general election. Government spending increasing by more than inflation every year since. I know Labour like to state the MYTH of Austerity as fact but it is lie.
DVLA have not sold of any offices just a fact that neatly 50% of civil servants in some departments have not returned to their empty buildings
The Truss budget last less than a month and was quickly reversed unlike the 13 years of budgets under Brown/Blair.
Please look up the definition of Austerity and compare it to reality. |
You’ve already proved yourself wrong when you disingenuous used 2021 to 2023 to try and pretend that education budgets had increased in real term since 2010. I pointed out to you that this wasn’t true from 2010 until 2020.
I won’t go through all the other examples (some are obvious such as the MOJ and DWP budgets being reduced by 40% between 2010 and 2020 – we know where that has got us), but point out Phillip Hammond in 2016 didn’t mention austerity but then proposed departmental cuts across the board.
He then announced in 2017 that the austerity period would be continued. I reckon he’s the one to believe for that period, being the CoE and all.
I see you’re still (understandably) cross with the DVLA. That’s 6000 workers out of 6,000,000 public sector workers. Why do you continuously slag the whole group off?
We both agree that the state the country is in has been massively impacted by the financial crash, followed by Covid followed by Ukraine. However, you will not attach any accountability to anything the Tory party have done to exacerbate this.
I have done and will continue to critisie all parties and shine a light on their mistakes. Something you seem unable to do.
That’s not party allegiance. It’s ideology. | | | |
| UK Economy on 12:09 - Sep 15 with 912 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK Economy on 11:54 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
You’ve already proved yourself wrong when you disingenuous used 2021 to 2023 to try and pretend that education budgets had increased in real term since 2010. I pointed out to you that this wasn’t true from 2010 until 2020.
I won’t go through all the other examples (some are obvious such as the MOJ and DWP budgets being reduced by 40% between 2010 and 2020 – we know where that has got us), but point out Phillip Hammond in 2016 didn’t mention austerity but then proposed departmental cuts across the board.
He then announced in 2017 that the austerity period would be continued. I reckon he’s the one to believe for that period, being the CoE and all.
I see you’re still (understandably) cross with the DVLA. That’s 6000 workers out of 6,000,000 public sector workers. Why do you continuously slag the whole group off?
We both agree that the state the country is in has been massively impacted by the financial crash, followed by Covid followed by Ukraine. However, you will not attach any accountability to anything the Tory party have done to exacerbate this.
I have done and will continue to critisie all parties and shine a light on their mistakes. Something you seem unable to do.
That’s not party allegiance. It’s ideology. |
Government spending has increased in real terms from the low point left by Labour government when the country was virtually bankrupt. Increased spending is not austerity. Simple facts
In real term education spending was only 2% less in 2021/22 than it was in 2010 hardly a savage cut. Given that its also increased 22/23 as well as the budget increase for 23/24 it is now above 2020 levels.
I know it is labour ideogy to ignore facts to promote myths.
Can anyone actually say thinks have improved in Wales under Drakeford? | |
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| UK Economy on 13:18 - Sep 15 with 907 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK Economy on 12:09 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Government spending has increased in real terms from the low point left by Labour government when the country was virtually bankrupt. Increased spending is not austerity. Simple facts
In real term education spending was only 2% less in 2021/22 than it was in 2010 hardly a savage cut. Given that its also increased 22/23 as well as the budget increase for 23/24 it is now above 2020 levels.
I know it is labour ideogy to ignore facts to promote myths.
Can anyone actually say thinks have improved in Wales under Drakeford? |
Hammonmd must be wrong then.
What was Educaction funding in 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018? and 2019?
This was also exacerbated by cuts to social care, the closure of SureStart centres etc. All have an additional burden. Have you seen what babies can expect from a Health Visitor now compared in 2010?
You haven't got a clue. I've set budgets for each and everyone of those years. Not just at single school but at Trust and Local Authority level. Also within the Higher Needs Funding block across Education, Health and Social Care soI know to the penny what's happened. What's your experience?
On Drakeford, I pretty sure you won't even find one positive post from me. I think he's done a hopeless job. I've also critised Labour for PFI, Pensions and the gold sell off. to name a few. I could't vote Corbyn. I've no issue with doing it at all.
Your turn. Find me the posts where you've held the Tories to account. I maybe mistaken but I can't remember any. | | | |
| UK Economy on 15:41 - Sep 15 with 886 views | SullutaCreturned |
| UK Economy on 09:22 - Sep 15 by controversial_jack |
Have to expect short term pain, lol, so those who voted for Brexit voted for something worse than we have? I always knew Brexiters weren't the sharpest of people |
This is exactly why ignoring you means people WON'T miss out.
In life you have to make choices and sometimes you have to accept being worse off short term to be better off in the long term. People who voted leave hoped for exactly that.
Fr a very personla comparison. About 20 years back my sister had a choice, go part time in her job so she could go back to University, get her degree and so go after much hgher paying jobs. She did just that and on passing her dgree she attained a much higher grade with a substantial pay rise,
Short term pain for the length of the course for 15 years of much higher earnings than before.
What you need to ask yourself is would we have been better off in the long term just staying in the EU and a lot of people believed not. Right or wrong that dcision was made now we hope for a better future. | | | |
| UK Economy on 15:51 - Sep 15 with 884 views | max936 |
Why not, I do and a few other herbets that frequent the forum. |  | | |
| UK Economy on 15:56 - Sep 15 with 882 views | SullutaCreturned |
| UK Economy on 15:51 - Sep 15 by max936 |
Why not, I do and a few other herbets that frequent the forum. |
I mostly ignore him. Sometimes I look on here without being logged in so I can see his posts.
I've got him in the same camp as some other WUM's and trolls, he posts to deliberately get a reaction with iposts he doesn't really believe, which is sad. | | | |
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