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Port Talbot Steel Works 13:07 - Jan 19 with 3915 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Another huge blow for the Welsh economy.

Looks like we are going to import new Steel from China and India. Both those countries Steel works are high polluters unlike Port Talbot which has far more pollution control.

Add in the carbon footprint of shipping it here.

Guess the only people to be pleased are the Greens and PC with their green policies

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 14:41 - Jan 19 with 2765 viewscontroversial_jack

I never thought i would say it, but I agree with you
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 14:52 - Jan 19 with 2764 viewsFlashberryjack

Port Talbot Steel Works on 14:41 - Jan 19 by controversial_jack

I never thought i would say it, but I agree with you


Ditto

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 15:53 - Jan 19 with 2728 viewsSullutaCreturned

This country (UK) has been very short sighted in its outlook and now we are reping the whirlwind.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 15:57 - Jan 19 with 2728 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The so called transition to green seems to be an assault on the population rather than a carefully planned, organised and implemented change. Motorists getting hit with taxes, big bills for developing technologies like electric cars and heat pumps and now large scale job losses.
All governments need to support the population and manage the change well, anyone can simply turn off the current set of technologies and inflict difficulties on the population.
That moron Colin Murray said this afternoon we are losing jobs but the reduction in CO2 is massive. It's 0.01 of the Worlds CO2 which is swamped by increase is CO2 by India which is increasing the Worlds CO2 by 0.5 percent every year
Never mind the people of Port Talbot can take it up the arse.

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 16:08 - Jan 19 with 2705 viewsKilkennyjack

Steel was privatised by the Tory party.
Like the water privatisation, a huge and expensive mistake.

The numb-nuts need to understand that the only future is environmentally friendly steel production but thats good news as it generates new tech and new work to get us there - and then produce it.
You cant bury your head in the sand and pretend the rest of the world is wrong.

And that bright future should be at Port Talbot.
And a nationalised steel industry would be at Port Talbot.

This is another English Tory disaster.
They do not give a rip.


[Post edited 19 Jan 16:15]

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 16:53 - Jan 19 with 2687 viewscontroversial_jack

Port Talbot Steel Works on 15:57 - Jan 19 by JACKMANANDBOY

The so called transition to green seems to be an assault on the population rather than a carefully planned, organised and implemented change. Motorists getting hit with taxes, big bills for developing technologies like electric cars and heat pumps and now large scale job losses.
All governments need to support the population and manage the change well, anyone can simply turn off the current set of technologies and inflict difficulties on the population.
That moron Colin Murray said this afternoon we are losing jobs but the reduction in CO2 is massive. It's 0.01 of the Worlds CO2 which is swamped by increase is CO2 by India which is increasing the Worlds CO2 by 0.5 percent every year
Never mind the people of Port Talbot can take it up the arse.


Increasing the world production by 0.5% of 0.4% of 0.4%. It's a tiny insignificant amount. It's the biggest con, lie, misinformation etc that's ever been
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 17:38 - Jan 19 with 2661 viewsmajorraglan

Port Talbot Steel Works on 16:53 - Jan 19 by controversial_jack

Increasing the world production by 0.5% of 0.4% of 0.4%. It's a tiny insignificant amount. It's the biggest con, lie, misinformation etc that's ever been


I didn’t know this, but the US produce 14% of the CO2 emissions.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:00 - Jan 19 with 2643 viewsraynor94

Devastated for the boys in the heavy end, Tata are now going to import steel and roll it in our Hot mill.

And what government pays £ 500 million to throw 2800 double that with contractors jobs on the scrapheap.

It's going to Port Talbot into a ghost town

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:08 - Jan 19 with 2611 viewsmajorraglan

Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:00 - Jan 19 by raynor94

Devastated for the boys in the heavy end, Tata are now going to import steel and roll it in our Hot mill.

And what government pays £ 500 million to throw 2800 double that with contractors jobs on the scrapheap.

It's going to Port Talbot into a ghost town


It’s mental, we are sacrificing our ability to produce a very important product and potentially compromising the national interest. There’s a severe shortage of joined up thinking at the highest levels of government, but that’s not surprising when you have politicians like Raab who didn't understand the importance of Dover to the UK economy.

Port talbo5 is going to be smashed, but the ripples will be felt across a much wider area.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:14 - Jan 19 with 2597 viewsraynor94

Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:08 - Jan 19 by majorraglan

It’s mental, we are sacrificing our ability to produce a very important product and potentially compromising the national interest. There’s a severe shortage of joined up thinking at the highest levels of government, but that’s not surprising when you have politicians like Raab who didn't understand the importance of Dover to the UK economy.

Port talbo5 is going to be smashed, but the ripples will be felt across a much wider area.


Putin must be laughing, this electric arc only produces 2nd rate steel

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 19:52 - Jan 19 with 2544 viewsBillyChong

Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:00 - Jan 19 by raynor94

Devastated for the boys in the heavy end, Tata are now going to import steel and roll it in our Hot mill.

And what government pays £ 500 million to throw 2800 double that with contractors jobs on the scrapheap.

It's going to Port Talbot into a ghost town


Sunak’s £500m deal with Tata a couple of months ago ‘to protect jobs’ is now appearing to be yet another Tory robbery/transfer of funds where there are questionable links.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 19:53 - Jan 19 with 2536 viewsKilkennyjack

Port Talbot Steel Works on 19:52 - Jan 19 by BillyChong

Sunak’s £500m deal with Tata a couple of months ago ‘to protect jobs’ is now appearing to be yet another Tory robbery/transfer of funds where there are questionable links.


Well said Billy

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 20:20 - Jan 19 with 2517 viewsJumpingJackFlash

We are about to become the only G20 country that doesn’t make its own top grade steel.

There was a time in my lifetime when this wasn’t allowed to happen for security/defence reasons.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 20:29 - Jan 19 with 2506 viewsraynor94

Port Talbot Steel Works on 19:52 - Jan 19 by BillyChong

Sunak’s £500m deal with Tata a couple of months ago ‘to protect jobs’ is now appearing to be yet another Tory robbery/transfer of funds where there are questionable links.


Amazing how quiet Drakeford and his so called Welsh government have been over this.

They have known this has been coming since last November and have and have done absolutely nothing.

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 21:07 - Jan 19 with 2487 viewsmax936

Port Talbot Steel Works on 19:52 - Jan 19 by BillyChong

Sunak’s £500m deal with Tata a couple of months ago ‘to protect jobs’ is now appearing to be yet another Tory robbery/transfer of funds where there are questionable links.


Apparently Sunak is to busy to speak to Drakeford about it and the rest of Government don't want to know, anyone remember Sunak's words in the gardens of No 10, when he said he's gonna get the money back that was given to Wales cause Wales shouldn't have had it in the first place.

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 21:08 - Jan 19 with 2481 viewsKilkennyjack

Port Talbot Steel Works on 20:29 - Jan 19 by raynor94

Amazing how quiet Drakeford and his so called Welsh government have been over this.

They have known this has been coming since last November and have and have done absolutely nothing.


Sunak refusing to speak to our elected welsh government. Pathetic time to play politics.

However David TC Davies, aka the idiots idiot, is now trying to get involved as the unelected Secretary of State for Wales.

Imagine if the london government spent half the time they have spent on Rwanda on Tara instead.
Pathetic.

Annibyniaeth.

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 21:14 - Jan 19 with 2480 viewsmax936

Port Talbot Steel Works on 21:07 - Jan 19 by max936

Apparently Sunak is to busy to speak to Drakeford about it and the rest of Government don't want to know, anyone remember Sunak's words in the gardens of No 10, when he said he's gonna get the money back that was given to Wales cause Wales shouldn't have had it in the first place.


Here is some of it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68034598

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 21:37 - Jan 19 with 2457 viewsmajorraglan

Port Talbot Steel Works on 20:29 - Jan 19 by raynor94

Amazing how quiet Drakeford and his so called Welsh government have been over this.

They have known this has been coming since last November and have and have done absolutely nothing.


To be honest I’m not sure what they could do as WG don’t have money and this is a U.K. level issue. Says it all when Sunak is too busy to take a call about the loss of 2,800 jobs and probably at least another 5,000 in the contracting sector. That’s almost 8,000 well paid jobs down the pan, a potentially massive welfare benefit bill and the loss of an important piece of national infrastructure.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 22:18 - Jan 19 with 2415 viewsBoundy

Port Talbot Steel Works on 21:37 - Jan 19 by majorraglan

To be honest I’m not sure what they could do as WG don’t have money and this is a U.K. level issue. Says it all when Sunak is too busy to take a call about the loss of 2,800 jobs and probably at least another 5,000 in the contracting sector. That’s almost 8,000 well paid jobs down the pan, a potentially massive welfare benefit bill and the loss of an important piece of national infrastructure.


With a general election facing the Torys and every vote counts can any one provide evidence that Sunak actually told Drakeford he had no time to take a call or was that taken out of context as so often happens

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 22:27 - Jan 19 with 2404 viewscontroversial_jack

Port Talbot Steel Works on 20:29 - Jan 19 by raynor94

Amazing how quiet Drakeford and his so called Welsh government have been over this.

They have known this has been coming since last November and have and have done absolutely nothing.


Nothing to do with the Welsh govt. Tata is a private company and made this decision themselves
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 07:12 - Jan 20 with 2342 viewsAnotherJohn

Just to go back to FJ's opening post about the result of all this being negative global impact because we will import more from dirty mills in India and China , we seem to be agreeing that there will be two aspects to this.

1. The ending of primary steel production in the UK in favour of recycled steel means we will still need to import virgin steel because recycled scrap won't meet all our needs.

2. There will be a gap between the decommissioning of the old blast furnaces and when the electric arc furnaces come online (around 2028?) . During this period all the steel comes from the dirty overseas mills.

Longer term we need a clean alternative to electric arc that can handle primary steel making, perhaps hydrogen.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 08:11 - Jan 20 with 2308 viewsKilkennyjack

Port Talbot Steel Works on 22:18 - Jan 19 by Boundy

With a general election facing the Torys and every vote counts can any one provide evidence that Sunak actually told Drakeford he had no time to take a call or was that taken out of context as so often happens




Its clear the uk Tory government failed Wales again.

Tata are instead investing in Nederlands which of course is in the EU.

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 09:40 - Jan 20 with 2256 viewsraynor94

Port Talbot Steel Works on 22:27 - Jan 19 by controversial_jack

Nothing to do with the Welsh govt. Tata is a private company and made this decision themselves


The silence has been deafening from them, I'm not disputing Tata is a private company, but they could have bigged up the Unions proposal but silence.

And now we have Gethin bleating on the telly about it

I wonder if it's anything to do with the leadership contest

If he wins will the last person leaving Wales switch out the lights please

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Port Talbot Steel Works on 10:50 - Jan 20 with 2220 viewsmajorraglan

Port Talbot Steel Works on 08:11 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack



Its clear the uk Tory government failed Wales again.

Tata are instead investing in Nederlands which of course is in the EU.


The country voted for Brexit and that’s what we have got. I expected the UK to take a hit post Brexit, but so far it’s been worse than I expected. The trade deals we were told would be easy to negotiate proved anything but, we’ve not struck a deal with the Americans (and we’re unlikely to whether it’s under Trump or Biden).

We’ve not taken control of our borders and since we left the EU and ended the transition arrangements in 2021 immigration has gone off the scale and is at its highest level ever, it’s almost 2.5 x higher and last year came in around 1.3m. We’ve replaced Eastern Europeans migrants with non EU migrants, Indians are the largest cohort (253,000), followed by Nigerians (140,000) Chinese (89,000), Pakistani (55,000) and Ukrainians (35,000). Our country has around 1.5m unemployed and many many more who are economically inactive. In terms of the latter, there are many genuine cases (sickness, disability etc) but there are many others who are playing the benefits system which means we need the higher immigration levels to fill the vacancies.

Our government is riddled with infighting and factions and we are suffering. The country is in a mess, there’s no joined up plan and the national interest is coming second to the interests of the Conservative Party.
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Port Talbot Steel Works on 11:10 - Jan 20 with 2211 viewsmax936

Port Talbot Steel Works on 18:08 - Jan 19 by majorraglan

It’s mental, we are sacrificing our ability to produce a very important product and potentially compromising the national interest. There’s a severe shortage of joined up thinking at the highest levels of government, but that’s not surprising when you have politicians like Raab who didn't understand the importance of Dover to the UK economy.

Port talbo5 is going to be smashed, but the ripples will be felt across a much wider area.


Most of this Tory Cabinet couldn't find their own arses with both their hands, Raab is a classic example!

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