| Isaac Hayden 19:17 - Nov 29 with 6350 views | NoDiddley |
Why can’t we play him as a bit of insurance in midfield?
Varane & Madsen are a bit flaky?
The fella must be a bit miffed warming the bench? |  | | |  |
| Isaac Hayden on 19:23 - Nov 29 with 3846 views | Hooping_Mad |
If I was Issac Hayden I would be wondering why I was signed. |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 19:49 - Nov 29 with 3739 views | sdm1508 |
Hayden has to start. Varane far too inconsistent. Hayden anticipates and reads danger. Making sure he is in the right place. Varane doesn't read it. He reacts to it. Hopes that his physicality will get us out of danger | | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 20:04 - Nov 29 with 3658 views | Lblock |
Thought he was garbage when he came on - in very good company granted.
I’m a big fan of Varanne but have to admit he was awful today and is not having a very good season so far.
The best defensive midfielder we have is Field but I’d say he’ll be out for 4 to 6 weeks after today |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 21:49 - Nov 29 with 3437 views | bosh67 |
I think he'll be playing in the starting 11 next week. |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 00:03 - Nov 30 with 3264 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Isaac Hayden on 21:49 - Nov 29 by bosh67 |
I think he'll be playing in the starting 11 next week. |
I think you may be correct | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 00:14 - Nov 30 with 3245 views | wombat |
| Isaac Hayden on 00:03 - Nov 30 by Hooping_Mad |
I think you may be correct |
I don’t think they like it that he tried to get the ball forward and even get into the opposition boxsomething varanne and madson rarely do |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 07:43 - Nov 30 with 2993 views | Gus_iom |
Hayden is a bit over-rated imo, in his first spell here he ended up losing his place to Field, a player itk's had told us was far inferior to him.
But....we can't continue with 4-2-4. Its OK if we can get on the front foot, but when we don't, and the lack of physicality and height in those behind the striker, it doesn't work. 3 in midfield would allow Madsen to push up, we know he can hurt teams.
Saito, Chair, Smyth, Dembele and Poku...the pressure to play them (a substantial amount of ££ invested), our unbalanced squad., has created a problem.
There is real talent in this squad, but it hasn't really been seen on the pitch, and I think this reflects the lack of balance in the squad.
And yesterday, the chaos from corners, the nervousness of the defence, I don't think we can play Nardi again. That defence looked so unsettled., | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 08:00 - Nov 30 with 2941 views | SK_hoops |
| Isaac Hayden on 07:43 - Nov 30 by Gus_iom |
Hayden is a bit over-rated imo, in his first spell here he ended up losing his place to Field, a player itk's had told us was far inferior to him.
But....we can't continue with 4-2-4. Its OK if we can get on the front foot, but when we don't, and the lack of physicality and height in those behind the striker, it doesn't work. 3 in midfield would allow Madsen to push up, we know he can hurt teams.
Saito, Chair, Smyth, Dembele and Poku...the pressure to play them (a substantial amount of ££ invested), our unbalanced squad., has created a problem.
There is real talent in this squad, but it hasn't really been seen on the pitch, and I think this reflects the lack of balance in the squad.
And yesterday, the chaos from corners, the nervousness of the defence, I don't think we can play Nardi again. That defence looked so unsettled., |
I didn't watch the game yesterday, but against Blackburn you could sense a feeling of unease the second he walked on the pitch. | | | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 08:10 - Nov 30 with 2891 views | Hunterhoop |
Watching the highlights back, it stood out how ineffective Varane looked. Easily beaten for an early shot. Missed the header at the near post for the Mbengue og, and looked like who Cook went mad at after the 3rd was curled in.
I also noticed in those highlights Madsen have a rant at him as well.
I’d start there when looking at this team. If Field is now out injured for a while, it’s Hayden or Morgan in there. If were to play 3, the one of Chair or Saito has to make way.
With Nardi, I don’t think he is *the* issue. Goalkeeper is certainly an issue, but I don’t think he’s the reason we lost or conceded 3 goals. Against Hull, Hamer barely came off his line and let a goal in at his near post. Nardi has made some big saves since he’s back in the last two games. Still very shaky at crosses, but he’s no worse than Walsh or Hamer. Personally, I’d say overall, he’s the best of the 3 (not to say Walsh can’t improve past him). However the back 4 need to be more aerially dominant when they have a keeper like him in behind them. From the highlights I’ve seen and what a friend who was there said, it sounds like we just weren’t at it all game. So typical and so expected of us away at a relegation zone side who hadn’t won at home in a blue moon. |  | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 08:11 - Nov 30 with 2883 views | Gus_iom |
| Isaac Hayden on 08:00 - Nov 30 by SK_hoops |
I didn't watch the game yesterday, but against Blackburn you could sense a feeling of unease the second he walked on the pitch. |
Corners were terrifying today, and added to Nardi's inability to deal with balls coming into the box, is having Saito, Chair and Dembele helping defend set pieces. I wonder if one of the reasons for picking Field over RND is his ability in the air. | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 08:32 - Nov 30 with 2821 views | Gus_iom |
| Isaac Hayden on 08:10 - Nov 30 by Hunterhoop |
Watching the highlights back, it stood out how ineffective Varane looked. Easily beaten for an early shot. Missed the header at the near post for the Mbengue og, and looked like who Cook went mad at after the 3rd was curled in.
I also noticed in those highlights Madsen have a rant at him as well.
I’d start there when looking at this team. If Field is now out injured for a while, it’s Hayden or Morgan in there. If were to play 3, the one of Chair or Saito has to make way.
With Nardi, I don’t think he is *the* issue. Goalkeeper is certainly an issue, but I don’t think he’s the reason we lost or conceded 3 goals. Against Hull, Hamer barely came off his line and let a goal in at his near post. Nardi has made some big saves since he’s back in the last two games. Still very shaky at crosses, but he’s no worse than Walsh or Hamer. Personally, I’d say overall, he’s the best of the 3 (not to say Walsh can’t improve past him). However the back 4 need to be more aerially dominant when they have a keeper like him in behind them. From the highlights I’ve seen and what a friend who was there said, it sounds like we just weren’t at it all game. So typical and so expected of us away at a relegation zone side who hadn’t won at home in a blue moon. |
I'm generally quite supportive of Varane, but his performance was unacceptable yesterday. I don't know just how many times Mattson took the ball off him.
But Nardi, from their first corner when he came flying out and missed the ball completely, Norwich knew they were on to something. Opposition teams know they can drop the ball on the 6 yard line, and he's staying put. Hamer does come off his line, albeit he's a keeper I never rated. But I do think the opposition will target Nardi more then Hamer, and I do think the defence looked particularly unsettled yesterday.
But the club knew this about Nardi, and didn't adequately replace him in the summer. [Post edited 30 Nov 8:33]
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| Isaac Hayden on 08:51 - Nov 30 with 2764 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Isaac Hayden on 07:43 - Nov 30 by Gus_iom |
Hayden is a bit over-rated imo, in his first spell here he ended up losing his place to Field, a player itk's had told us was far inferior to him.
But....we can't continue with 4-2-4. Its OK if we can get on the front foot, but when we don't, and the lack of physicality and height in those behind the striker, it doesn't work. 3 in midfield would allow Madsen to push up, we know he can hurt teams.
Saito, Chair, Smyth, Dembele and Poku...the pressure to play them (a substantial amount of ££ invested), our unbalanced squad., has created a problem.
There is real talent in this squad, but it hasn't really been seen on the pitch, and I think this reflects the lack of balance in the squad.
And yesterday, the chaos from corners, the nervousness of the defence, I don't think we can play Nardi again. That defence looked so unsettled., |
Hard to disagree with any of this.
Given Norwich's record and form, if we'd gone on the front foot with an attitude, you're not turning things around against us, I'm sure they'd have been sufficiently rattled.
Instead, whatever momentum we'd built against Hull and Blackburn, evaporates in an instant. Never had a toe in the game; the midfield didn't exist and we looked off it and lost.
How that useless lump Frey gets in over Kone and Kolli, I'll never know. He offers nothing at all except respite for the oppo. If, the club operates a policy of forcing people out, then he surely should be at the head of the queue.
The frustrating thing about yesterday, Sheff. United and Wednesday, Oxford, and Derby, all games there begging to be taken if we'd had some nous about us.
We're still a club who cannot take safety as a given, and passing up opportunities like these has the potential to bite you later in the season when points acquisition is more laboured and frantic. Yesterday was so typically QPR, that you can ony write it off, again. However, the underlying problem for me is that everything about CN's tenure just seems overly complicated confusion. |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 08:55 - Nov 30 with 2732 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Isaac Hayden on 08:32 - Nov 30 by Gus_iom |
I'm generally quite supportive of Varane, but his performance was unacceptable yesterday. I don't know just how many times Mattson took the ball off him.
But Nardi, from their first corner when he came flying out and missed the ball completely, Norwich knew they were on to something. Opposition teams know they can drop the ball on the 6 yard line, and he's staying put. Hamer does come off his line, albeit he's a keeper I never rated. But I do think the opposition will target Nardi more then Hamer, and I do think the defence looked particularly unsettled yesterday.
But the club knew this about Nardi, and didn't adequately replace him in the summer. [Post edited 30 Nov 8:33]
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Yes, Varane was shocking yesterday. I've always liked him as there is clearly talent there but this season something doesn't seem right. People have cited him not chasing back hard enough for certain goals but yesterday he seemed a few seconds behind everything. I think Rangers fans will generally tolerate players with limited ability (and we've had plenty of those) if they put the effort in. With Varane, it feels like he's a talented player who has already checked out of here. | | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 09:14 - Nov 30 with 2681 views | JAPRANGERS |
| Isaac Hayden on 08:51 - Nov 30 by PlanetHonneywood |
Hard to disagree with any of this.
Given Norwich's record and form, if we'd gone on the front foot with an attitude, you're not turning things around against us, I'm sure they'd have been sufficiently rattled.
Instead, whatever momentum we'd built against Hull and Blackburn, evaporates in an instant. Never had a toe in the game; the midfield didn't exist and we looked off it and lost.
How that useless lump Frey gets in over Kone and Kolli, I'll never know. He offers nothing at all except respite for the oppo. If, the club operates a policy of forcing people out, then he surely should be at the head of the queue.
The frustrating thing about yesterday, Sheff. United and Wednesday, Oxford, and Derby, all games there begging to be taken if we'd had some nous about us.
We're still a club who cannot take safety as a given, and passing up opportunities like these has the potential to bite you later in the season when points acquisition is more laboured and frantic. Yesterday was so typically QPR, that you can ony write it off, again. However, the underlying problem for me is that everything about CN's tenure just seems overly complicated confusion. |
What is the point of Frey exactly? We offered him a new contract on X thousands of pounds a week for this season but what is the return here? Surely we could have done better? At least give Kolli a chance to see what he can do. |  | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 09:40 - Nov 30 with 2619 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Isaac Hayden on 09:14 - Nov 30 by JAPRANGERS |
What is the point of Frey exactly? We offered him a new contract on X thousands of pounds a week for this season but what is the return here? Surely we could have done better? At least give Kolli a chance to see what he can do. |
My wife appeared from an afternoon out and ended up catching the last few minutes of yesterday's game.
I greeted her with, 'Just watch this lump run', as I loaded up a picture of Richard Fairbass from 'Right Said Fred'.
Oh the guffawing that followed at Chez Planet.
It's staggering for the reasons you advance JapRanger-san | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 09:55 - Nov 30 with 2547 views | dmm |
I've never really understood the Varane love. He has had the occasional good game but, as this thread documents, he's got serious weaknesses he must improve on.
I'd like to see Hayden given a run in his place if nothing else, to make Varane realise he's not an automatic first pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Stephan does just that starting next Saturday. |  | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 10:29 - Nov 30 with 2438 views | StreathamRanger |
The difference between good Varane and bad Varane is too big. When he's good he's out best option in midfield due to his athleticism but when he's bad he coughs up possession too easily and fails in tracking back effectively. Needs to get his head straight and deliver consistently good performance. Can't keep doing half a good game followed up by half a bad game. A game or two on the bench should deliver that message. | | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 12:36 - Nov 30 with 2258 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Isaac Hayden on 20:04 - Nov 29 by Lblock |
Thought he was garbage when he came on - in very good company granted.
I’m a big fan of Varanne but have to admit he was awful today and is not having a very good season so far.
The best defensive midfielder we have is Field but I’d say he’ll be out for 4 to 6 weeks after today |
Varane is too lightweight and lacks energy and strength for this division.
With Madsen and Varane in deep lying midfield positions we will get found out on a regular basis.
If we want to play with 3 offensive midgets behind a striker, we need 2 behind them with grit, determination and aggression. Madsen and Varane are so timid it beggars belief. | | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 13:01 - Nov 30 with 2201 views | derbyhoop |
| Isaac Hayden on 19:23 - Nov 29 by Hooping_Mad |
If I was Issac Hayden I would be wondering why I was signed. |
Easy. He's getting some game time here. Far more than he was getting at Newcastle. |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 15:07 - Nov 30 with 2040 views | mart_Goblin |
My own personal view was he was bloody awful when he came on.
No worse than Varane and perhaps slightly out of match fitness as he hasn’t featured much , but way off nonetheless |  | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 10:05 - Dec 1 with 1692 views | wombat |
| Isaac Hayden on 15:07 - Nov 30 by mart_Goblin |
My own personal view was he was bloody awful when he came on.
No worse than Varane and perhaps slightly out of match fitness as he hasn’t featured much , but way off nonetheless |
think we was watching a diff player then , haydon actually got into the norwich box played the ball forwards two things varanne seems unable or prob unwilling to do , there was rumours , yes them again last season he was off in the summer and didnt want to be here , maybe thats something to do with it . hes regressed as a player from jan last season thats for sure . issue is according to the moneyball he is possibly a player who might make us a profit alongside madson so hell likely be playing when fit. | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 10:17 - Dec 1 with 1671 views | TheChef |
| Isaac Hayden on 08:10 - Nov 30 by Hunterhoop |
Watching the highlights back, it stood out how ineffective Varane looked. Easily beaten for an early shot. Missed the header at the near post for the Mbengue og, and looked like who Cook went mad at after the 3rd was curled in.
I also noticed in those highlights Madsen have a rant at him as well.
I’d start there when looking at this team. If Field is now out injured for a while, it’s Hayden or Morgan in there. If were to play 3, the one of Chair or Saito has to make way.
With Nardi, I don’t think he is *the* issue. Goalkeeper is certainly an issue, but I don’t think he’s the reason we lost or conceded 3 goals. Against Hull, Hamer barely came off his line and let a goal in at his near post. Nardi has made some big saves since he’s back in the last two games. Still very shaky at crosses, but he’s no worse than Walsh or Hamer. Personally, I’d say overall, he’s the best of the 3 (not to say Walsh can’t improve past him). However the back 4 need to be more aerially dominant when they have a keeper like him in behind them. From the highlights I’ve seen and what a friend who was there said, it sounds like we just weren’t at it all game. So typical and so expected of us away at a relegation zone side who hadn’t won at home in a blue moon. |
Also mystifying how Morgan hasn't featured much this season, especially when the player (s) in front of him haven't really been pulling up any trees.
I know the club think Varane or Madsen are the next £20m golden boys but if they're not performing well then there need to be consequences. |  |
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| Isaac Hayden on 10:45 - Dec 1 with 1608 views | wombat |
| Isaac Hayden on 10:17 - Dec 1 by TheChef |
Also mystifying how Morgan hasn't featured much this season, especially when the player (s) in front of him haven't really been pulling up any trees.
I know the club think Varane or Madsen are the next £20m golden boys but if they're not performing well then there need to be consequences. |
the tastics dont allow for it though he wants two holding central midfield players, issue os neither can play that role to weak on the ball and leave players to run through them most games by not tracking back | |
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| Isaac Hayden on 10:46 - Dec 1 with 1604 views | Northernr |
| Isaac Hayden on 15:07 - Nov 30 by mart_Goblin |
My own personal view was he was bloody awful when he came on.
No worse than Varane and perhaps slightly out of match fitness as he hasn’t featured much , but way off nonetheless |
Yup. CM was a disaster all day on Saturday. |  | | |
| Isaac Hayden on 11:01 - Dec 1 with 1553 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Isaac Hayden on 19:23 - Nov 29 by Hooping_Mad |
If I was Issac Hayden I would be wondering why I was signed. |
If I'm Alfie Tuck, I'm probably wondering how the sh1t on display in CM was keeping me out of the first team.
Having a wild guess, but I think Isaac signed for QPR, because he wanted to live near London and we offered the best contract out of the options he had. He probably doesn't worry too much about how often he plays in the first team |  | | |
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