| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British 06:09 - Mar 19 with 9564 views | AnotherJohn |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Could it be the case that the policies that our Home Secretary has put forward - which many thought showed Labour was finally smelling the coffee - will never be enacted because of the strength of the Left in the Parliamentary Labour Party? |  | | |  |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:25 - Mar 25 with 955 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 01:50 - Mar 21 by Robbie |
LLanelli whilst I was working down there had a large influx of Polish immigrants .
Many of them came to work at work at a meat packing factory in Cross Hands .
Dawnhust or some other name it is called now though , jobs some people in the area had no intention of applying for the vacancies there .
Rumours abounded The Poles were drinking vodka at 5.00 am before the minibus arrived to pick them up , never proven in my experience down in Turkland .
Were they totally accepted in an area so close knit , maybe not get the welcome expected .
I found them OK and no issue with real needy true assylum seekers who do it properly .
The English Channel small boats issue, good luck with that a hiding to nothing from all sides
Give me a Politician who does get it right will get my vote .
The Sennedd now claims Wales is a Nation of Sanctuary for all incomers .
I rest my case My Lord . |
The Nation of Sanctuary in not for all comers and not a pull factor in immigration. It is a propaganda stick to beat the left with.
The Nation of Sanctuary is a code of practice to look after vulnerable men women and children who suddenly find themselves in Wales with poor knowledge of English. It is in effect scheme to get these people settled asap such they they become good citizens work and pay tax. Immigration is not devolved and Wales takes the people that have been processed in England and sent here by them. If they have skills we will use it.
Illegal immigration is an English problem and messed up by them. |  |
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 07:57 - Mar 26 with 875 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:25 - Mar 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Nation of Sanctuary in not for all comers and not a pull factor in immigration. It is a propaganda stick to beat the left with.
The Nation of Sanctuary is a code of practice to look after vulnerable men women and children who suddenly find themselves in Wales with poor knowledge of English. It is in effect scheme to get these people settled asap such they they become good citizens work and pay tax. Immigration is not devolved and Wales takes the people that have been processed in England and sent here by them. If they have skills we will use it.
Illegal immigration is an English problem and messed up by them. |
Largely agree with that.
Plaid should have ditched the Nation of Sanctury in the run up the the election, they'd be a shoe in. It's just words, it means nothing. Wales is no more welcoming than anywhere else in the UK.
The use of the phrase just gives ammuniton to the right and their followers becasue the politicians on that side know their voters have no idea what it is. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:28 - Mar 26 with 866 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:25 - Mar 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Nation of Sanctuary in not for all comers and not a pull factor in immigration. It is a propaganda stick to beat the left with.
The Nation of Sanctuary is a code of practice to look after vulnerable men women and children who suddenly find themselves in Wales with poor knowledge of English. It is in effect scheme to get these people settled asap such they they become good citizens work and pay tax. Immigration is not devolved and Wales takes the people that have been processed in England and sent here by them. If they have skills we will use it.
Illegal immigration is an English problem and messed up by them. |
Here is the BBC's overview.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Not sure how balanced this is. While the rhetorical content of the policy seems pretty central, there is a cost - though perhaps not huge as a % of the devolved budget. I have mixed feelings. On the one hand. I'm sympathetic to support under the targeted country programmes for Ukraine and Afghanistan (where most of the money went), but on the other, and given that immigration is not a devolved matter, I think it would be better for the Westminster government to manage a UK-wide response. Beyond that my gut feeling is that the UK needs to get a grip on overall immigration numbers (not just net) and especially illegal immigration, and the "sanctuary" initiative sends the wrong signal. [Post edited 26 Mar 8:37]
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 09:23 - Mar 26 with 848 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:28 - Mar 26 by AnotherJohn |
Here is the BBC's overview.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Not sure how balanced this is. While the rhetorical content of the policy seems pretty central, there is a cost - though perhaps not huge as a % of the devolved budget. I have mixed feelings. On the one hand. I'm sympathetic to support under the targeted country programmes for Ukraine and Afghanistan (where most of the money went), but on the other, and given that immigration is not a devolved matter, I think it would be better for the Westminster government to manage a UK-wide response. Beyond that my gut feeling is that the UK needs to get a grip on overall immigration numbers (not just net) and especially illegal immigration, and the "sanctuary" initiative sends the wrong signal. [Post edited 26 Mar 8:37]
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It depends on the breakdown of that cost - how much of it is directly being spent on Nation of Sanctuary outside of usual refugee expenditure? How much of that is over and above that spent in other parts of the Uk? And how much is not directly given by Westminster to spend on refugees / asylum and therefore coming out of WG core spend?
We have to get a grip on immigration and like it or not, the current government are doing more than the last lot, but I genuinely don't believe Wales being a nation of sanctuary is a pull factor. The pull factor is we spend money on services they provide.
It's political stupidity that the phrase isn't dropped, but I suppose at least the parties pledging to maintain it aren't virtue signalling. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:47 - Mar 26 with 795 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 17:28 - Mar 25 by Gwyn737 |
Even if the gas does end up in the uk market, I don’t see a significant drop happening to our bill.
If we had held on to the licenses (and BP) it would be different. |
I’ve mentioned what China are doing with renewables a few times before.
Here’s the CEO of Octopus energy’s thoughts on it:
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 19:18 - Mar 26 with 788 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:47 - Mar 26 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve mentioned what China are doing with renewables a few times before.
Here’s the CEO of Octopus energy’s thoughts on it:
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Whether you notice this probably depends on where you are in a huge country. On two visits I've made in recent years I saw no windmills or big solar farms. There was large-scale hydro-electric generation in Hubei Province, but I also experienced endless grey skies and a sore throat. There were loads of electric bikes that looked like traditional motor cycles and many e-taxis. Overall, China is pursuing a multiple track approach where it uses existing natural resources including coal alongside renewables
https://www.carbonbrief.org/gu | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:20 - Mar 26 with 771 views | Dr_Winston |
Renewables can add decent capacity to a national grid. They can't be depended upon to provide a baseline supply. This has been obvious for decades, yet f*ckwit Milliband insists otherwise.
We need nuclear. We need lots of it as fast as possible, and we need Govt to get the hell out of the way and allow companies to build it. We've had years of hippies scaring everyone about nuclear, yet it's proven to be entirely safe (unless run by Communists) and most waste is recyclable anyway.
In the meantime, getting as much access as possible to the energy supplies available via the North Sea would be common sense. |  |
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:51 - Mar 26 with 761 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:47 - Mar 26 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve mentioned what China are doing with renewables a few times before.
Here’s the CEO of Octopus energy’s thoughts on it:
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Man from company focussing on renewables says renewables are best. |  |
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:01 - Mar 27 with 719 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:20 - Mar 26 by Dr_Winston |
Renewables can add decent capacity to a national grid. They can't be depended upon to provide a baseline supply. This has been obvious for decades, yet f*ckwit Milliband insists otherwise.
We need nuclear. We need lots of it as fast as possible, and we need Govt to get the hell out of the way and allow companies to build it. We've had years of hippies scaring everyone about nuclear, yet it's proven to be entirely safe (unless run by Communists) and most waste is recyclable anyway.
In the meantime, getting as much access as possible to the energy supplies available via the North Sea would be common sense. |
They can't directly be relied on to provide a baseline, but the battery energy storage systems associated with them can. The majority of renewable schemes now have them associated with them and many new build houses have units added to.
We need nuclear and there are plans for four SMR's in Bridgend and a much larger plant at Wylfa - the latter will basically power Wales and is directly attributable to Great British Energy / Milliband. It's "government getting in the way" that has ensured nuclear plants are safe and have minimal environmental impacts.
Exploiting the gas / oil in the North sea would add a tiny and expensive amount to global supplies that we have no control over and couldn't really use.
The problem with energy prices is the cartels that run the companies, across Europe suppliers are either nationalised, being nationalised or run on a highly regulated hybrid model. Last year Centrica made profits of around £850 miilion, that's not bad but crap compared to the £1.5 billion they made in 2024. Even Octopus make about £250 million in a decent year. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:18 - Mar 27 with 716 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:01 - Mar 27 by Scotia |
They can't directly be relied on to provide a baseline, but the battery energy storage systems associated with them can. The majority of renewable schemes now have them associated with them and many new build houses have units added to.
We need nuclear and there are plans for four SMR's in Bridgend and a much larger plant at Wylfa - the latter will basically power Wales and is directly attributable to Great British Energy / Milliband. It's "government getting in the way" that has ensured nuclear plants are safe and have minimal environmental impacts.
Exploiting the gas / oil in the North sea would add a tiny and expensive amount to global supplies that we have no control over and couldn't really use.
The problem with energy prices is the cartels that run the companies, across Europe suppliers are either nationalised, being nationalised or run on a highly regulated hybrid model. Last year Centrica made profits of around £850 miilion, that's not bad but crap compared to the £1.5 billion they made in 2024. Even Octopus make about £250 million in a decent year. |
Enough battery storage to do the job would cost more than just building SMR's, never mind the human misery caused elsewhere by the production of the raw materials to build the batteries, which everyone seems to forget. Government "getting in the way" is why Hinckley Point has cost so much to build. Other countries manage to do it quicker and cheaper.
I'm quite happy with the idea of requiring solar panels on all new builds, be that houses or commercial/industrial properties. I like the idea of covering car parks in them rather than farmland. I think a lot could be done with tidal energy.
Wind turbines are an absolute waste of time and resources. | |
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:59 - Mar 27 with 700 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:18 - Mar 27 by Dr_Winston |
Enough battery storage to do the job would cost more than just building SMR's, never mind the human misery caused elsewhere by the production of the raw materials to build the batteries, which everyone seems to forget. Government "getting in the way" is why Hinckley Point has cost so much to build. Other countries manage to do it quicker and cheaper.
I'm quite happy with the idea of requiring solar panels on all new builds, be that houses or commercial/industrial properties. I like the idea of covering car parks in them rather than farmland. I think a lot could be done with tidal energy.
Wind turbines are an absolute waste of time and resources. |
Battery storage over the long term is cheap as chips. Of course there has to be protection for the enivronment and people involved in their production but that's why we have and need employment and environmental legislation - it also pales in to insignificance when compared to the human misery climate change may result in on a much larger scale.
Other countires build nuclear quicker and cheaper becasue their governments get directly involved, Hinkley is being built by French and Chinese state owned companies and the UK are paying a fortune for them to do it money that is just leaving the country. Hopefully Great British Energy will see an end to this.
The UK needs to comply with exactly the same legislation as the rest of Europe, even after Brexit.
Wind power is far from a waste of time. Despite the being a moratorium on onshore wind in England for a decade - right now, on what is a pretty average windy day, about 40% of our power is coming from turbines. If windfarms had been allowed to be constructed in England over that time we probably wouldn't need the power being provided by gas which is about 30% or importing energy from abroad. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 11:36 - Mar 27 with 663 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:59 - Mar 27 by Scotia |
Battery storage over the long term is cheap as chips. Of course there has to be protection for the enivronment and people involved in their production but that's why we have and need employment and environmental legislation - it also pales in to insignificance when compared to the human misery climate change may result in on a much larger scale.
Other countires build nuclear quicker and cheaper becasue their governments get directly involved, Hinkley is being built by French and Chinese state owned companies and the UK are paying a fortune for them to do it money that is just leaving the country. Hopefully Great British Energy will see an end to this.
The UK needs to comply with exactly the same legislation as the rest of Europe, even after Brexit.
Wind power is far from a waste of time. Despite the being a moratorium on onshore wind in England for a decade - right now, on what is a pretty average windy day, about 40% of our power is coming from turbines. If windfarms had been allowed to be constructed in England over that time we probably wouldn't need the power being provided by gas which is about 30% or importing energy from abroad. |
I'm not sure that the cost of large-capacity batteries is really cheap as chips, partly because the technologies are still evolving. Are you thinking of thermal sand or pumped hydropower? I don't think there are many working examples of the former (big one in Finland), and PSH projects are expensive because they need quite large reservoirs at height. Energy recovery is only 70-80%, which means these systems do lose electricity. They are currently used mainly to balance baseload generation rather than as the source of baseload. I came across an interesting development recently which uses high-density liquids rather than water, and can get away with less height difference between upper and lower reservoirs. There is now a project of this kind in Devon.
https://www.rheenergise.com/Ne
Regarding that controversial issue of whether more North Sea gas extraction would lower UK consumer and industry prices, there was an interesting interview with an energy consultant on Times Radio this morning. She explained that under the current marginal pricing system in the NBP trading hub, the wholesale gas price is generally aligned with the highest price paid for imported LNG, which costs more to obtain than piped gas. She argued that if the UK could produce more North Sea piped gas it could reduce LNG imports, and specifically cut out the highest priced LNG trades needed to secure the necessary volume. While there would still be some LNG imports, this would bring the wholesale price down. Said person also mentioned that prices in the UK hub tend to be lower than the European hubs because of the limited infrastructure for exports via only two bidirectional interconnectors to mainland Europe. I don't think this is going to convince those on the opposite side of the argument as the idea that there is an international price that cannot be changed has become something of an article of Miliband doctrine. [Post edited 27 Mar 11:38]
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:18 - Mar 27 with 649 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 11:36 - Mar 27 by AnotherJohn |
I'm not sure that the cost of large-capacity batteries is really cheap as chips, partly because the technologies are still evolving. Are you thinking of thermal sand or pumped hydropower? I don't think there are many working examples of the former (big one in Finland), and PSH projects are expensive because they need quite large reservoirs at height. Energy recovery is only 70-80%, which means these systems do lose electricity. They are currently used mainly to balance baseload generation rather than as the source of baseload. I came across an interesting development recently which uses high-density liquids rather than water, and can get away with less height difference between upper and lower reservoirs. There is now a project of this kind in Devon.
https://www.rheenergise.com/Ne
Regarding that controversial issue of whether more North Sea gas extraction would lower UK consumer and industry prices, there was an interesting interview with an energy consultant on Times Radio this morning. She explained that under the current marginal pricing system in the NBP trading hub, the wholesale gas price is generally aligned with the highest price paid for imported LNG, which costs more to obtain than piped gas. She argued that if the UK could produce more North Sea piped gas it could reduce LNG imports, and specifically cut out the highest priced LNG trades needed to secure the necessary volume. While there would still be some LNG imports, this would bring the wholesale price down. Said person also mentioned that prices in the UK hub tend to be lower than the European hubs because of the limited infrastructure for exports via only two bidirectional interconnectors to mainland Europe. I don't think this is going to convince those on the opposite side of the argument as the idea that there is an international price that cannot be changed has become something of an article of Miliband doctrine. [Post edited 27 Mar 11:38]
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My understandiing is that the price wouold change but it would be marginal.
The potential release of what is in the North Sea would increase world production by about 0.1% so it's whatever impact that would have. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:29 - Mar 27 with 639 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:18 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737 |
My understandiing is that the price wouold change but it would be marginal.
The potential release of what is in the North Sea would increase world production by about 0.1% so it's whatever impact that would have. |
The arguments in favour of North Sea Oil and Gas extraction are in no particular order:
The continued need for oil and gain the UK, estimated at 40 years
Security of supply, not being reliant on other countries
Increased UK jobs
increased UK tax income from oil and gas companies if UK companies produce more of what we use
Less environmental impact, no need to import fracked gases.
Reduced costs associated with importation
The arguments against it seem to be centred on the fact that we can record a lower carbon footprint if we import rather than produce oil and gas. We seem to be happy with fiddling the books because we can congratulate ourselves whilst making things worse for us and the environment. | |
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:32 - Mar 27 with 638 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:18 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737 |
My understandiing is that the price wouold change but it would be marginal.
The potential release of what is in the North Sea would increase world production by about 0.1% so it's whatever impact that would have. |
To get an idea of the magnitude of any price change we'd need to estimate the % increase in piped gas traded through the UK NBP hub, not the % of global supply. As many people keep repeating: there is no global market for piped natural gas, only regional markets. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:28 - Mar 27 with 621 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:32 - Mar 27 by AnotherJohn |
To get an idea of the magnitude of any price change we'd need to estimate the % increase in piped gas traded through the UK NBP hub, not the % of global supply. As many people keep repeating: there is no global market for piped natural gas, only regional markets. |
How much do you think haousehold bills would reduce?
I'm no expert so relying on AI which says in regard to opening Rosebank and Jackdaw:
According to the latest 2026 economic analyses and government statements, opening the Rosebank and Jackdaw fields would likely result in negligible to zero direct savings on UK household energy bills.
While these projects are often debated in the context of "energy security," experts and the UK government emphasize that they do not lower costs for consumers because the oil and gas extracted are sold at international market prices.
Estimated Annual Savings
Research and modeling from the University of Oxford’s Smith School suggest that even in a "best-case" scenario, the impact on bills would be minimal:
Direct Impact on Bills: Most experts agree there would be "no discernible benefit" to consumers directly from the production of this gas/oil.
Revenue Redistribution Scenario: If the UK government were to take every penny of tax revenue generated from these fields and use it specifically to subsidise bills, the saving is estimated at just £16 to £82 per year (roughly 1% to 4.6% of an average bill).
Comparison: For context, analysts suggest that transitioning to renewable energy could save households between £105 and £441 per year by reducing the UK's exposure to volatile global gas markets.
Why doesn't "Homegrown" Energy lower bills?
It’s a common misconception that domestic production equals cheaper prices. Here is why that isn't the case for Rosebank and Jackdaw:
Factor Impact on Price
Global Market Pricing UK gas and oil are sold on international exchanges. UK suppliers must pay the "going rate" regardless of where the fuel was drilled.
Export Nature Rosebank is primarily an oil field (approx. 90%). Roughly 80% of UK-produced oil is exported to be refined elsewhere because the UK lacks the specific refinery types for that crude.
Volume Even combined, these fields provide a small fraction of total demand. Jackdaw, for instance, would only reduce the UK's gas import dependency by about 2%.
Tax Subsidies Critics point out that under current "investment allowances," the UK taxpayer effectively subsidises a large portion of the development costs, which offsets potential tax gains for the Treasury. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:30 - Mar 27 with 620 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 11:36 - Mar 27 by AnotherJohn |
I'm not sure that the cost of large-capacity batteries is really cheap as chips, partly because the technologies are still evolving. Are you thinking of thermal sand or pumped hydropower? I don't think there are many working examples of the former (big one in Finland), and PSH projects are expensive because they need quite large reservoirs at height. Energy recovery is only 70-80%, which means these systems do lose electricity. They are currently used mainly to balance baseload generation rather than as the source of baseload. I came across an interesting development recently which uses high-density liquids rather than water, and can get away with less height difference between upper and lower reservoirs. There is now a project of this kind in Devon.
https://www.rheenergise.com/Ne
Regarding that controversial issue of whether more North Sea gas extraction would lower UK consumer and industry prices, there was an interesting interview with an energy consultant on Times Radio this morning. She explained that under the current marginal pricing system in the NBP trading hub, the wholesale gas price is generally aligned with the highest price paid for imported LNG, which costs more to obtain than piped gas. She argued that if the UK could produce more North Sea piped gas it could reduce LNG imports, and specifically cut out the highest priced LNG trades needed to secure the necessary volume. While there would still be some LNG imports, this would bring the wholesale price down. Said person also mentioned that prices in the UK hub tend to be lower than the European hubs because of the limited infrastructure for exports via only two bidirectional interconnectors to mainland Europe. I don't think this is going to convince those on the opposite side of the argument as the idea that there is an international price that cannot be changed has become something of an article of Miliband doctrine. [Post edited 27 Mar 11:38]
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I'm referring to sites like this:-
https://www.edf-powersolutions
Batteries are usually Lithium ion, but new technology evolution is seeing advances all of the time. There is a company in Bridgend developing Sodium ion batteries.
The cost of storage has decreased by about 50% in a year and is likely to continue to fall. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:35 - Mar 27 with 618 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:29 - Mar 27 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The arguments in favour of North Sea Oil and Gas extraction are in no particular order:
The continued need for oil and gain the UK, estimated at 40 years
Security of supply, not being reliant on other countries
Increased UK jobs
increased UK tax income from oil and gas companies if UK companies produce more of what we use
Less environmental impact, no need to import fracked gases.
Reduced costs associated with importation
The arguments against it seem to be centred on the fact that we can record a lower carbon footprint if we import rather than produce oil and gas. We seem to be happy with fiddling the books because we can congratulate ourselves whilst making things worse for us and the environment. |
Those arguments apply to low carbon energy use too, without destroying the planet and last longer than 40 years.
The battle against net zero makes no sense. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:49 - Mar 27 with 611 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:35 - Mar 27 by Scotia |
Those arguments apply to low carbon energy use too, without destroying the planet and last longer than 40 years.
The battle against net zero makes no sense. |
And we've some examples of some real success.
Not just China but in the west - Spain and Denmark for example.
This thing with net zero is it's being turned into the latest culture war. You can bet that Farage will be using it a wedge issue towards the next GE. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 15:35 - Mar 27 with 601 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:49 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737 |
And we've some examples of some real success.
Not just China but in the west - Spain and Denmark for example.
This thing with net zero is it's being turned into the latest culture war. You can bet that Farage will be using it a wedge issue towards the next GE. |
There are zealots on both sides of the argument, the truth is we need a blended mix for a while and there is more logic and sense in using our own oil and gas. | |
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| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 15:44 - Mar 27 with 596 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 15:35 - Mar 27 by JACKMANANDBOY |
There are zealots on both sides of the argument, the truth is we need a blended mix for a while and there is more logic and sense in using our own oil and gas. |
There absolutely are zealots on both sides.
I just think we'f be better off looking at altenative sources (including nuclear) than drilling for oil and gas where I'm yet to be conviced it will make any great difference.
If it's energy security we're after, fossil fuels aren't the way forward long term. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 15:49 - Mar 27 with 595 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:49 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737 |
And we've some examples of some real success.
Not just China but in the west - Spain and Denmark for example.
This thing with net zero is it's being turned into the latest culture war. You can bet that Farage will be using it a wedge issue towards the next GE. |
He will and it's stupid. Of course it's in part because Reform are funded by a man who makes his cash from aviation fuel and another with about £130 million of shares in fossil fuels companies. There are plenty of other funding links with fossil fuels and the political right too, not least the owner of GB NEws who has a hedge fund with £1.8 billion invested in fossil fuels.
There are no negatives with it in the medium to long term, in the short term it's only cash investment. I'm sure the government could do more to force the big energy companies to pay more, but they're private so we are a bit stuck. It is only building much needed infrastructre.
Just imagine where we'd be now if motorway building had stopped in the 70's becasue not many used them. It's the same scenario. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:19 - Mar 27 with 584 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:30 - Mar 27 by Scotia |
I'm referring to sites like this:-
https://www.edf-powersolutions
Batteries are usually Lithium ion, but new technology evolution is seeing advances all of the time. There is a company in Bridgend developing Sodium ion batteries.
The cost of storage has decreased by about 50% in a year and is likely to continue to fall. |
I thought lithium-ion technology remained expensive though. Just this year RheEnergise, who built the scheme in Plymouth write: "At 8-hour duration, HD Hydro is half the cost of a lithium-ion battery system, (levelised cost of storage basis), without the fire risks and environmental concerns that batteries present." As both of us have ended up agreeing, it is hard to be sure of cost because technology is changing. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:28 - Mar 27 with 578 views | Scotia |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:19 - Mar 27 by AnotherJohn |
I thought lithium-ion technology remained expensive though. Just this year RheEnergise, who built the scheme in Plymouth write: "At 8-hour duration, HD Hydro is half the cost of a lithium-ion battery system, (levelised cost of storage basis), without the fire risks and environmental concerns that batteries present." As both of us have ended up agreeing, it is hard to be sure of cost because technology is changing. |
There are significant fire risks with lithium ion, basically the compounds a built to allow them to be flooded in the event of a fire otherwise they can't be extinguished. | | | |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:35 - Mar 27 with 576 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:28 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737 |
How much do you think haousehold bills would reduce?
I'm no expert so relying on AI which says in regard to opening Rosebank and Jackdaw:
According to the latest 2026 economic analyses and government statements, opening the Rosebank and Jackdaw fields would likely result in negligible to zero direct savings on UK household energy bills.
While these projects are often debated in the context of "energy security," experts and the UK government emphasize that they do not lower costs for consumers because the oil and gas extracted are sold at international market prices.
Estimated Annual Savings
Research and modeling from the University of Oxford’s Smith School suggest that even in a "best-case" scenario, the impact on bills would be minimal:
Direct Impact on Bills: Most experts agree there would be "no discernible benefit" to consumers directly from the production of this gas/oil.
Revenue Redistribution Scenario: If the UK government were to take every penny of tax revenue generated from these fields and use it specifically to subsidise bills, the saving is estimated at just £16 to £82 per year (roughly 1% to 4.6% of an average bill).
Comparison: For context, analysts suggest that transitioning to renewable energy could save households between £105 and £441 per year by reducing the UK's exposure to volatile global gas markets.
Why doesn't "Homegrown" Energy lower bills?
It’s a common misconception that domestic production equals cheaper prices. Here is why that isn't the case for Rosebank and Jackdaw:
Factor Impact on Price
Global Market Pricing UK gas and oil are sold on international exchanges. UK suppliers must pay the "going rate" regardless of where the fuel was drilled.
Export Nature Rosebank is primarily an oil field (approx. 90%). Roughly 80% of UK-produced oil is exported to be refined elsewhere because the UK lacks the specific refinery types for that crude.
Volume Even combined, these fields provide a small fraction of total demand. Jackdaw, for instance, would only reduce the UK's gas import dependency by about 2%.
Tax Subsidies Critics point out that under current "investment allowances," the UK taxpayer effectively subsidises a large portion of the development costs, which offsets potential tax gains for the Treasury. |
Well I guess people read around and see what they conclude, It is demonstrably incorrect though to claim that "the oil and gas extracted are sold at international market prices", because there is more than one international market.
AI says "Jackdaw is expected to produce roughly 1.4 billion cubic meters of gas annually, contributing 6.5% of UK gas production. Rosebank is primarily oil-focused, but will produce around 44 million cubic feet of gas daily" (just under half a billion cubic metres). If that is right, I'd say the impact in the NBP trading hub is not vast but bigger than the projection you found. It would enable buyers to avoid a proportion of the more expensive LNG trades. [Post edited 27 Mar 16:46]
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