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Could it be the case that the policies that our Home Secretary has put forward - which many thought showed Labour was finally smelling the coffee - will never be enacted because of the strength of the Left in the Parliamentary Labour Party?
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:55 - Mar 27 with 1120 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:35 - Mar 27 by AnotherJohn
Well I guess people read around and see what they conclude, It is demonstrably incorrect though to claim that "the oil and gas extracted are sold at international market prices", because there is more than one international market.
AI says "Jackdaw is expected to produce roughly 1.4 billion cubic meters of gas annually, contributing 6.5% of UK gas production. Rosebank is primarily oil-focused, but will produce around 44 million cubic feet of gas daily" (just under half a billion cubic metres). If that is right, I'd say the impact in the NBP trading hub is not vast but bigger than the projection you found. It would enable buyers to avoid a proportion of the more expensive LNG trades.
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It’s very hard to put a figure on it, I agree.
But I can’t find any source that says opening those fields will have a noticeable effect on reducing uk bills.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 17:30 - Mar 27 with 1090 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 15:44 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737
There absolutely are zealots on both sides.
I just think we'f be better off looking at altenative sources (including nuclear) than drilling for oil and gas where I'm yet to be conviced it will make any great difference.
If it's energy security we're after, fossil fuels aren't the way forward long term.
It's about striking the right balance about what we need now and in the future. If we need oil and gas now then it's blatantly obvious that we are better off producing as much as we can ourselves, if only to preserve jobs and tax revenue.
When you look at the current speed of change metrics for technology development in the energy sector using today's technology to solve tomorrow's problem is utterly moronic.
For example, BYD is intending to have a semi solid state car battery in production this year, that means ranges of 650 miles and charging times cut in half. Where we will be in 5 years time in car battery development is difficult to predict but the chances are things will look very different. Heat pumps are on a similar development curve and when you look at energy generation there are potentially huge changes ahead.
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 16:55 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737
It’s very hard to put a figure on it, I agree.
But I can’t find any source that says opening those fields will have a noticeable effect on reducing uk bills.
It is true that the main bodies pushing for the opening of the Jackdaw and Rosebank fields put more emphasis on energy security, the lower carbon footprint of UK piped gas compared with imports, and jobs, as opposed to reducing price. However, there is the implication that greater energy security is about mitigating price shocks of the kind now emerging. The bodies concerned include Offshore Energies UK and the Unite Union. A recent report by Westwood Global Energy Group estimates that under a maximum government support scenario opening new fields could add 28% to total UK Continental Shelf resources. Probably the middle scenarios in this report are more plausible and still show worthwhile gains.
I think that is why some opposition politicians and independent experts, like the one on Times Radio this morning, say this would impact on price in our trading hub, even if at quite a modest level.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:29 - Mar 27 with 1067 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 17:30 - Mar 27 by JACKMANANDBOY
It's about striking the right balance about what we need now and in the future. If we need oil and gas now then it's blatantly obvious that we are better off producing as much as we can ourselves, if only to preserve jobs and tax revenue.
When you look at the current speed of change metrics for technology development in the energy sector using today's technology to solve tomorrow's problem is utterly moronic.
For example, BYD is intending to have a semi solid state car battery in production this year, that means ranges of 650 miles and charging times cut in half. Where we will be in 5 years time in car battery development is difficult to predict but the chances are things will look very different. Heat pumps are on a similar development curve and when you look at energy generation there are potentially huge changes ahead.
We are having the wrong arguments right now.
I don’t think I am although I’m looking at energy security long term and we’re fortunate enough to see a host of countries ahead of who are beginning to make things work.
Spain has had some occasions where there have been 24 hour sessions where all energy has come from renewables. That’s fantastic and we should be aiming for that.
Yes, I know there will be gaps but they are going to shrink over time with innovation.
I’ll ask you the same as AJ, can you find me a figure of what bill will reduce by after opening the oilfields?
Jobs and taxation is a different argument IMO as it needs to compèred with the green jobs that have or would continue to be created.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:32 - Mar 27 with 1063 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:18 - Mar 27 by AnotherJohn
It is true that the main bodies pushing for the opening of the Jackdaw and Rosebank fields put more emphasis on energy security, the lower carbon footprint of UK piped gas compared with imports, and jobs, as opposed to reducing price. However, there is the implication that greater energy security is about mitigating price shocks of the kind now emerging. The bodies concerned include Offshore Energies UK and the Unite Union. A recent report by Westwood Global Energy Group estimates that under a maximum government support scenario opening new fields could add 28% to total UK Continental Shelf resources. Probably the middle scenarios in this report are more plausible and still show worthwhile gains.
I think that is why some opposition politicians and independent experts, like the one on Times Radio this morning, say this would impact on price in our trading hub, even if at quite a modest level.
Did they put a figure on what that modest level was?
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:52 - Mar 27 with 1053 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 17:30 - Mar 27 by JACKMANANDBOY
It's about striking the right balance about what we need now and in the future. If we need oil and gas now then it's blatantly obvious that we are better off producing as much as we can ourselves, if only to preserve jobs and tax revenue.
When you look at the current speed of change metrics for technology development in the energy sector using today's technology to solve tomorrow's problem is utterly moronic.
For example, BYD is intending to have a semi solid state car battery in production this year, that means ranges of 650 miles and charging times cut in half. Where we will be in 5 years time in car battery development is difficult to predict but the chances are things will look very different. Heat pumps are on a similar development curve and when you look at energy generation there are potentially huge changes ahead.
We are having the wrong arguments right now.
Great post.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:53 - Mar 27 with 1053 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:29 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737
I don’t think I am although I’m looking at energy security long term and we’re fortunate enough to see a host of countries ahead of who are beginning to make things work.
Spain has had some occasions where there have been 24 hour sessions where all energy has come from renewables. That’s fantastic and we should be aiming for that.
Yes, I know there will be gaps but they are going to shrink over time with innovation.
I’ll ask you the same as AJ, can you find me a figure of what bill will reduce by after opening the oilfields?
Jobs and taxation is a different argument IMO as it needs to compèred with the green jobs that have or would continue to be created.
As for your last line, we can do both.
The main financial advantage for producing our own are jobs and taxes which go into the general bucket, we raise taxes on oli and gas that are not linked to the consumer bills but raise green levies that are linked to the consumer bills. So no one can tell you what the impact will be on your bill because we don't link any income to the consumer only costs.
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:53 - Mar 27 by JACKMANANDBOY
As for your last line, we can do both.
The main financial advantage for producing our own are jobs and taxes which go into the general bucket, we raise taxes on oli and gas that are not linked to the consumer bills but raise green levies that are linked to the consumer bills. So no one can tell you what the impact will be on your bill because we don't link any income to the consumer only costs.
We can do both. But that realise on the attacks on net zero to stop.
The phrase has been politicised and has become so emotive it shuts down the type of good debate we’ve had on this thread.
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:53 - Mar 27 by JACKMANANDBOY
As for your last line, we can do both.
The main financial advantage for producing our own are jobs and taxes which go into the general bucket, we raise taxes on oli and gas that are not linked to the consumer bills but raise green levies that are linked to the consumer bills. So no one can tell you what the impact will be on your bill because we don't link any income to the consumer only costs.
We're paying other countries for our energy when with an element of nous we could produce our own, its a nonsensical argument, the likes of the dullard that is Miliband is hellbent on going for this carbon zero, whilst buying from other countries is adding to the production of carbon into the atmosphere, you couldn't make it up ffs.
It's obvious that he's got fingers in the carbon zero pie, corrupt to the core like the rest.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:08 - Mar 28 with 933 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:29 - Mar 27 by Gwyn737
I don’t think I am although I’m looking at energy security long term and we’re fortunate enough to see a host of countries ahead of who are beginning to make things work.
Spain has had some occasions where there have been 24 hour sessions where all energy has come from renewables. That’s fantastic and we should be aiming for that.
Yes, I know there will be gaps but they are going to shrink over time with innovation.
I’ll ask you the same as AJ, can you find me a figure of what bill will reduce by after opening the oilfields?
Jobs and taxation is a different argument IMO as it needs to compèred with the green jobs that have or would continue to be created.
Spain has also had blackouts because the renewable supply wasn't up to the job. Why not go with proven tech and avoid the gaps completely?
We have nuclear. Hopefully within a decade or two they'll crack the fusion problem. Basically limitless clean energy. Then we simply won't need renewables at all. Trillions are being poured into unproven and unreliable technologies that are likely to be rendered obsolete in our lifetimes anyway.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:47 - Mar 28 with 927 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:08 - Mar 28 by Dr_Winston
Spain has also had blackouts because the renewable supply wasn't up to the job. Why not go with proven tech and avoid the gaps completely?
We have nuclear. Hopefully within a decade or two they'll crack the fusion problem. Basically limitless clean energy. Then we simply won't need renewables at all. Trillions are being poured into unproven and unreliable technologies that are likely to be rendered obsolete in our lifetimes anyway.
I’ve posted a few times before on the benefits of nuclear and this has to be a huge part of our strategy.
Long term it makes sense to me that for energy security the rest is made up from renewable energy. Fossil fuels are finite so not really a long term strategy, especially as I’ve still yet to see concrete evidence that it will have a noticeable effect on bills.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 09:05 - Mar 28 with 919 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:47 - Mar 28 by Gwyn737
I’ve posted a few times before on the benefits of nuclear and this has to be a huge part of our strategy.
Long term it makes sense to me that for energy security the rest is made up from renewable energy. Fossil fuels are finite so not really a long term strategy, especially as I’ve still yet to see concrete evidence that it will have a noticeable effect on bills.
I've no objection with moving away from fossil fuels (oil products are so useful generally that just burning it is a waste) but we're relying far, far too much on technologies that are unreliable and would have been binned years ago if it wasn't for the immense subsidies that they receive.
Nuclear should be 95% of our strategy. Solar panels on individual buildings. Maybe a bit of tidal/hydroelectric. Make electricity so damn cheap and easy to produce that people will swap to electric boilers/cooking themselves. No need to piss away money on windmills and heat pumps.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 10:52 - Mar 28 with 891 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 09:05 - Mar 28 by Dr_Winston
I've no objection with moving away from fossil fuels (oil products are so useful generally that just burning it is a waste) but we're relying far, far too much on technologies that are unreliable and would have been binned years ago if it wasn't for the immense subsidies that they receive.
Nuclear should be 95% of our strategy. Solar panels on individual buildings. Maybe a bit of tidal/hydroelectric. Make electricity so damn cheap and easy to produce that people will swap to electric boilers/cooking themselves. No need to piss away money on windmills and heat pumps.
They're unpredictable not unreliable. And only really unpredictable from a few days in advance
I bet that with today's weather conditions we're running on 100% renewable power. Potentially even generating more than we need
Nuclear has a gap to fill, but it's pretty small.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 11:26 - Mar 28 with 879 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 09:05 - Mar 28 by Dr_Winston
I've no objection with moving away from fossil fuels (oil products are so useful generally that just burning it is a waste) but we're relying far, far too much on technologies that are unreliable and would have been binned years ago if it wasn't for the immense subsidies that they receive.
Nuclear should be 95% of our strategy. Solar panels on individual buildings. Maybe a bit of tidal/hydroelectric. Make electricity so damn cheap and easy to produce that people will swap to electric boilers/cooking themselves. No need to piss away money on windmills and heat pumps.
I recently priced up solar, I'd never get my money back at my age so I've dismissed the idea, I ideally wanted a smallish system that'll cover the cost of running my Koi pond which is costing me a few quid, which I'm often reminded off when I complain about lights and other stuff is left on, especially things left on standby.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:21 - Mar 28 with 867 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 11:26 - Mar 28 by max936
I recently priced up solar, I'd never get my money back at my age so I've dismissed the idea, I ideally wanted a smallish system that'll cover the cost of running my Koi pond which is costing me a few quid, which I'm often reminded off when I complain about lights and other stuff is left on, especially things left on standby.
Perhaps a plug in solar unit from Lidl would be enough to power the pond. Don't know if you saw the recent story. Apparently solar panels that simply plug into a normal domestic mains socket and contain an integrated invertor are already common in countries like Germany and will soon be on sale here in the UK. Lidl has been mentioned as a likely stockist. The Govt needed to change the electricity regulations as at present an electrician must sign off on a solar panel installation. The rumour is that the plug-in units will cost about £400. I'm unsure about quality or longevity. That point about how long current solar systems last rather curtails my enthusiasm for them. People say about 25 years, which would be okay, but I suspect a better technology will arrive before that time passes, probably making it cheaper to buy something else.
P.S. It seems that a single plug-in unit produces about 400W of power. I see some firms are jumping the gun re the regs.
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:20 - Mar 26 by Dr_Winston
Renewables can add decent capacity to a national grid. They can't be depended upon to provide a baseline supply. This has been obvious for decades, yet f*ckwit Milliband insists otherwise.
We need nuclear. We need lots of it as fast as possible, and we need Govt to get the hell out of the way and allow companies to build it. We've had years of hippies scaring everyone about nuclear, yet it's proven to be entirely safe (unless run by Communists) and most waste is recyclable anyway.
In the meantime, getting as much access as possible to the energy supplies available via the North Sea would be common sense.
I agree with you that we need nuclear power, but it has to be delivered safely. The former Eastern European communist block didn’t have a great safety record, but the country with the highest numbers of nuclear safety breaches by some distance is the US.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 14:21 - Mar 28 with 841 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 08:59 - Mar 27 by Scotia
Battery storage over the long term is cheap as chips. Of course there has to be protection for the enivronment and people involved in their production but that's why we have and need employment and environmental legislation - it also pales in to insignificance when compared to the human misery climate change may result in on a much larger scale.
Other countires build nuclear quicker and cheaper becasue their governments get directly involved, Hinkley is being built by French and Chinese state owned companies and the UK are paying a fortune for them to do it money that is just leaving the country. Hopefully Great British Energy will see an end to this.
The UK needs to comply with exactly the same legislation as the rest of Europe, even after Brexit.
Wind power is far from a waste of time. Despite the being a moratorium on onshore wind in England for a decade - right now, on what is a pretty average windy day, about 40% of our power is coming from turbines. If windfarms had been allowed to be constructed in England over that time we probably wouldn't need the power being provided by gas which is about 30% or importing energy from abroad.
Earlier this week wind and solar provided 90% of the UK energy supply. We were on fact providing 115% of our needs with 15 % sent to other European countries (2.5% gas, 13% nuclear)
The wholesale price of electricity was ZERO instead of thr £80 per MW average.
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 13:00 - Mar 28 by majorraglan
I agree with you that we need nuclear power, but it has to be delivered safely. The former Eastern European communist block didn’t have a great safety record, but the country with the highest numbers of nuclear safety breaches by some distance is the US.
The US operates more nuclear reactors, both military and civilian than any other country and the safety record is impeccable. As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a single death related to a nuclear safety issue since the early 60's. The most famous US incident, Three Mile Island, resulted in zero deaths. More people have died by electrocuting themselves at power plants.
Nuclear power is an immensely safe technology tainted by the same type of idiots complaining about carbon levels now. Maybe if the likes of Greenpeace, CND et all had shut the hell up in the 70's and 80's we wouldn't be in the situation that we are. Germany are certainly regretting shutting their industry down.
Although now I think of it, Russian influence was at the heart of both. The KGB certainly funded and directed a lot of the Environmental and "Peace" movements back in the day, and cheap Russian energy convinced the Germans that they didn't need nuclear. Maybe that lesson has finally been learned.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:07 - Mar 28 with 763 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:21 - Mar 28 by AnotherJohn
Perhaps a plug in solar unit from Lidl would be enough to power the pond. Don't know if you saw the recent story. Apparently solar panels that simply plug into a normal domestic mains socket and contain an integrated invertor are already common in countries like Germany and will soon be on sale here in the UK. Lidl has been mentioned as a likely stockist. The Govt needed to change the electricity regulations as at present an electrician must sign off on a solar panel installation. The rumour is that the plug-in units will cost about £400. I'm unsure about quality or longevity. That point about how long current solar systems last rather curtails my enthusiasm for them. People say about 25 years, which would be okay, but I suspect a better technology will arrive before that time passes, probably making it cheaper to buy something else.
P.S. It seems that a single plug-in unit produces about 400W of power. I see some firms are jumping the gun re the regs.
Pond is 5000 gallons Drum filter which has a motor, UV filter and air pumps running bottom drain aerators, 2 variable pumps that can pump 30,000 ltrs an hour, luckily my ASHP heats compressor is knackered at moment or that would definitely be running, luckily my filter house and pond is covered in with the roof and sides covered with polycarbonate sheets which helps any heat loss, my water temp is currently at just slightly over 14 degrees, it was as low as 10 degrees.
Ideally with heater running water temp would be around 18+ degrees, got some big fish most are between 60 to 70+ cm's.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 11:53 - Mar 29 with 728 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:07 - Mar 28 by max936
Pond is 5000 gallons Drum filter which has a motor, UV filter and air pumps running bottom drain aerators, 2 variable pumps that can pump 30,000 ltrs an hour, luckily my ASHP heats compressor is knackered at moment or that would definitely be running, luckily my filter house and pond is covered in with the roof and sides covered with polycarbonate sheets which helps any heat loss, my water temp is currently at just slightly over 14 degrees, it was as low as 10 degrees.
Ideally with heater running water temp would be around 18+ degrees, got some big fish most are between 60 to 70+ cm's.
Wonder how many watts your pond heater consumes? If not visible on the product label there are calculators like the one below to show what you need for 5000 gallons (though my experience is limited to a smallish cold-water aquarium so no expert).
I'd guess your heater consumes over 500 watts, plus whatever all the ancillary pumps etc take. with the water. at 18 degrees Two of the cheap 400w plug-in solar panels should be enough to cover it. North of £800 but perhaps worth it over a few years.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 13:08 - Mar 29 with 719 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 22:07 - Mar 28 by max936
Pond is 5000 gallons Drum filter which has a motor, UV filter and air pumps running bottom drain aerators, 2 variable pumps that can pump 30,000 ltrs an hour, luckily my ASHP heats compressor is knackered at moment or that would definitely be running, luckily my filter house and pond is covered in with the roof and sides covered with polycarbonate sheets which helps any heat loss, my water temp is currently at just slightly over 14 degrees, it was as low as 10 degrees.
Ideally with heater running water temp would be around 18+ degrees, got some big fish most are between 60 to 70+ cm's.
You ever had issues with theft? They’re mightily expensive Also fook n seagulls are aggressive bastards They’re a real issue where we live You can’t shoot them , apparently And you can poison foxes , another pest
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:01 - Mar 19 by JACKMANANDBOY
Civil Servant - If we import gas with a higher carbon footprint than the gas we produce ourselves, then we can claim a reduction in our carbon footprint because if the gas we use is produced elsewhere it does not count against us.
Miliband - So let me get this right if we import stuff that does more climate damage than producing our own then our numbers look better.
Civil Servant - Yes, much better.
Miliband - I'm all in favour of our numbers looking better.
Civil Servant -It is more expensive to import gas.
Miliband - Who's paying?
Civil Servant - Not you sir, other people.
Miliband - Great, lets crack on then.
[Post edited 19 Mar 18:02]
Argus!
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:22 - Apr 3 with 558 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 18:01 - Mar 19 by JACKMANANDBOY
Civil Servant - If we import gas with a higher carbon footprint than the gas we produce ourselves, then we can claim a reduction in our carbon footprint because if the gas we use is produced elsewhere it does not count against us.
Miliband - So let me get this right if we import stuff that does more climate damage than producing our own then our numbers look better.
Civil Servant - Yes, much better.
Miliband - I'm all in favour of our numbers looking better.
Civil Servant -It is more expensive to import gas.
Miliband - Who's paying?
Civil Servant - Not you sir, other people.
Miliband - Great, lets crack on then.
[Post edited 19 Mar 18:02]
Argus!
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:42 - Apr 3 with 536 views
Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:21 - Mar 28 by AnotherJohn
Perhaps a plug in solar unit from Lidl would be enough to power the pond. Don't know if you saw the recent story. Apparently solar panels that simply plug into a normal domestic mains socket and contain an integrated invertor are already common in countries like Germany and will soon be on sale here in the UK. Lidl has been mentioned as a likely stockist. The Govt needed to change the electricity regulations as at present an electrician must sign off on a solar panel installation. The rumour is that the plug-in units will cost about £400. I'm unsure about quality or longevity. That point about how long current solar systems last rather curtails my enthusiasm for them. People say about 25 years, which would be okay, but I suspect a better technology will arrive before that time passes, probably making it cheaper to buy something else.
P.S. It seems that a single plug-in unit produces about 400W of power. I see some firms are jumping the gun re the regs.
Costing me 20 quid a week during the winter months when I need more air pumps running, got some big fish around 70+ cm's and other's are 60+ cm's so they need more oxygen. Intended building pond to hold around 3000 gallons, but I've ended up with 5000 gallons.
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Ange says that tougher policies on immigration are un-British on 12:48 - Apr 3 with 532 views
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