| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work 18:57 - May 28 with 4161 views | max936 |
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Shocking really, who's to blame though, this Labour government with Reeves's financial planning killing businesses ?? |  | | |  |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 20:53 - May 29 with 906 views | KeithHaynes |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 20:21 - May 29 by Togg |
There's still some great kids out there. |
Indeed and more than ever they will obtain what they want through education and effort.
I know people with kids who still haven’t seen a morning for months, one is 23, Another pays his daughter with several kids from several men a grand a month because she can’t look after them.
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| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 23:17 - May 29 with 815 views | majorraglan |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 07:27 - May 29 by Dr_Winston |
As always, the two biggest problems have their roots in the Blair era. The insane drive to push as many kids as possible towards a University education at the cost of technical training, and the beginnings of mass migration.
You read through the stories doing the rounds on this and it's not surprising how many of the youngsters who can't find work have undertaken some sort of higher education first. Getting themselves into debt for a degree made worthless by the number of people who have them. They're pushed out of the jobs market by people with more actual experience, often fairly recent arrivals in the UK.
I wouldn't underestimate Covid and the brutal and largely unnecessary lockdowns as a factor either. A lot of children of school leaving age got used to not leaving the house, not working, not socialising, not doing anything. It's led to a huge explosion in mental health issues which I see on a regular basis. We've got a real battle with many of them just to come to an interview with us, never mind hold down a job. |
The rationale behind getting more youngsters in to University was increasing opportunity for a wider pool of young people and having more people from what a lot of us would have called a “working class” background having a chance to progress and shape the future.It’s my belief that the concept was sound, but the execution and delivery is where it’s gone Pete Tong.
Universities have been allowed to deliver all sorts of Mickey Mouse courses and this something which should never have been allowed to happen, there should have been robust governance around what could be delivered and charged for. I also believe that charging £9k in tuition fees per annum and the interest rate which is then applied on student debt is outrageous. We want kids to succeed and build a bright future for themselves and the country, but were smashing them on tax etc, they are also accumulating massive levels of debt as a result of the interest and forking out monthly deductions from their wages. Poor prospects, poor wages - it’s no wonder lots of them can’t get on the property ladder and that they’re disillusioned. Work has to pay and it isn’t at the moment - benefits need to be frozen/ reduced and graft made to pay.
In terms of the immigration, it’s not all down to Blair. Freedom of movement was ratified by the Treaty of Maastricht which the UK signed in 1992 - 5 years before Blair came to power. He inherited Freedom of Movement when he came to power in 1997 and there wasn’t a great deal he could do about it. That said, the way I see it is that Blair dropped the ball in relation to the expansion of the EU in 2004 when a raft of former Communist countries joined. Blair and his government failed to introduce any transitional restrictions on the number of people coming to the UK ( they could only ever be temporary restrictions) because the Maastricht Treaty guaranteed Freedom of Movement. Underestimating the numbers and failing to plan properly was a dereliction of duty. [Post edited 30 May 7:05]
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| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 06:51 - May 30 with 766 views | AnotherJohn |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 08:59 - May 29 by Dr_Winston |
The problem I've always had with work experience type schemes is that they reinforce the negative ideas that your labour only benefits others.
If you're going to be forcing kids into work then pay them. Help them to understand the benefits of working and the pleasure of being paid at the end of the week/month. You don't have to pay them £15 an hour, but pay them quite a bit more than they'd get on benefits. Hammer home that bit of information. |
I have vague memories of the organisation I worked for in the early 1980s taking on young people who received a worthwhile training allowance funded by the Manpower Services Commission. While I think the main MSC programmes - the Youth Opportunities Programme and the Youth Training Scheme - were aimed at school leavers say aged 16-18, as far as I remember the three who worked with me were in their early 20s. I cannot see a scheme for this age group on this Wiki page, but I think the placements lasted for 12 months. The organisation carried out health-related research. We had no problems in getting applicants, but I think the scheme only lasted a couple of years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [Post edited 30 May 7:08]
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| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 12:06 - May 30 with 683 views | Dr_Winston |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 23:17 - May 29 by majorraglan |
The rationale behind getting more youngsters in to University was increasing opportunity for a wider pool of young people and having more people from what a lot of us would have called a “working class” background having a chance to progress and shape the future.It’s my belief that the concept was sound, but the execution and delivery is where it’s gone Pete Tong.
Universities have been allowed to deliver all sorts of Mickey Mouse courses and this something which should never have been allowed to happen, there should have been robust governance around what could be delivered and charged for. I also believe that charging £9k in tuition fees per annum and the interest rate which is then applied on student debt is outrageous. We want kids to succeed and build a bright future for themselves and the country, but were smashing them on tax etc, they are also accumulating massive levels of debt as a result of the interest and forking out monthly deductions from their wages. Poor prospects, poor wages - it’s no wonder lots of them can’t get on the property ladder and that they’re disillusioned. Work has to pay and it isn’t at the moment - benefits need to be frozen/ reduced and graft made to pay.
In terms of the immigration, it’s not all down to Blair. Freedom of movement was ratified by the Treaty of Maastricht which the UK signed in 1992 - 5 years before Blair came to power. He inherited Freedom of Movement when he came to power in 1997 and there wasn’t a great deal he could do about it. That said, the way I see it is that Blair dropped the ball in relation to the expansion of the EU in 2004 when a raft of former Communist countries joined. Blair and his government failed to introduce any transitional restrictions on the number of people coming to the UK ( they could only ever be temporary restrictions) because the Maastricht Treaty guaranteed Freedom of Movement. Underestimating the numbers and failing to plan properly was a dereliction of duty. [Post edited 30 May 7:05]
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The problem with that is equating having a degree with having opportunities. If more and more people have degrees then degrees are devalued and employers look for other attributes. There are plumbers and electricians out there earning more than the average graduate wage. There are lorry drivers earning more, and without student loan payments.
It would have been much better to focus on "working class" kids and really beef up the apprenticeship system. The irony is that they did do a bit of that with the New Deal, but nowhere near enough.
What it did do though is create lots of jobs for Labour voting academics and higher education types and get the kids to pay for them and their own indoctrination with tuition fees, which was probably at least part of the plan all along. The whole thing was a massive con.
This was all at the same time as allowing mass migration of workers, which had a natural depressive effect on the wages people could charge as the supply of willing labour outstripped demand, a massive inflationary effect on house prices as demand outstripped supply, and took a hell of a lot of cash out of the economy as many migrant workers sent money home. That's still a big issue now.
You look at any country or economy suffering from a "housing crisis", and they'll all have imported huge volumes of people in recent years. The UK. Australia. New Zealand. Canada. [Post edited 30 May 13:28]
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| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 14:17 - May 30 with 641 views | Whiterockin |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 12:06 - May 30 by Dr_Winston |
The problem with that is equating having a degree with having opportunities. If more and more people have degrees then degrees are devalued and employers look for other attributes. There are plumbers and electricians out there earning more than the average graduate wage. There are lorry drivers earning more, and without student loan payments.
It would have been much better to focus on "working class" kids and really beef up the apprenticeship system. The irony is that they did do a bit of that with the New Deal, but nowhere near enough.
What it did do though is create lots of jobs for Labour voting academics and higher education types and get the kids to pay for them and their own indoctrination with tuition fees, which was probably at least part of the plan all along. The whole thing was a massive con.
This was all at the same time as allowing mass migration of workers, which had a natural depressive effect on the wages people could charge as the supply of willing labour outstripped demand, a massive inflationary effect on house prices as demand outstripped supply, and took a hell of a lot of cash out of the economy as many migrant workers sent money home. That's still a big issue now.
You look at any country or economy suffering from a "housing crisis", and they'll all have imported huge volumes of people in recent years. The UK. Australia. New Zealand. Canada. [Post edited 30 May 13:28]
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I like many others used to be reluctant to give graduates a job if it was unskilled, because as soon as they got something more suitable they would move on. You employ with a skill set and personality in mind for a specific vacancy. More graduates have made it more difficult to get a job not easier. |  | | |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 14:24 - May 30 with 637 views | Dr_Winston |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 14:17 - May 30 by Whiterockin |
I like many others used to be reluctant to give graduates a job if it was unskilled, because as soon as they got something more suitable they would move on. You employ with a skill set and personality in mind for a specific vacancy. More graduates have made it more difficult to get a job not easier. |
Yep. And even for mostly unskilled work, the more "on the job" training required I'd imagine the more reluctant employers would be. Why waste time training someone who's going to be looking for something else from day one? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 15:27 - May 30 with 608 views | swan65split |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 20:19 - May 29 by Togg |
Those guys and girls can earn good money and don't start life with a university debt.
The downside is when they hit their mid fifties the body starts to break down. Knees back arthritis etc. Still you start early in the morning and you're in the Dunvant by 3pm networking . 😉 |
tell me about it left at 16, into an apprenticeship, and night school, while some of my mates were earnong good money , it was often a ginger beer and one night a week on the poss....maybe 5 pints!
yeah and as you say in my late 50s the arthritis etc started. |  | | |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 15:51 - May 30 with 600 views | Gwyn737 |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 14:24 - May 30 by Dr_Winston |
Yep. And even for mostly unskilled work, the more "on the job" training required I'd imagine the more reluctant employers would be. Why waste time training someone who's going to be looking for something else from day one? |
I don’t disagree.
But for this to happen what schools are for has to be completely reimagined.
Since the early 90s and the introduction of league tables (in England), the only metric used for success is academic. This has done the job of raising academic standards but has scene vocational skills all but disappear.
It’s worth bearing in mind that there aren’t those metrics in Wales and academic standards are much lower. | | | |
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| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 16:42 - May 30 with 590 views | controversial_jack |
| Todays Youngsters Struggling to get Work on 19:01 - May 28 by Gwyn737 |
This has being in the offing for 30 years.
Blaming the current government (or as I’ve seen on social media, just blaming migrants) is pointless when it’s a massive, systemic issue across multiple fields. |
Agreed, it's the easy way out instead of looking at the real problems. Scapegoating a particular group is the work of the far right | | | |
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