| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 10:40 - Jun 7 with 2331 views | Dr_Winston |
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group in the UK. Any serving police officer who has voiced any kind of support for them should be sacked. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:13 - Jun 7 with 2296 views | Demitrius |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 10:40 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group in the UK. Any serving police officer who has voiced any kind of support for them should be sacked. |
In any sane world that would happen as well as an investigation and a reminder sent to all PO's outlining their responsibility to police without prejudice. However this is C21st UK with its 'special treatment' and 'equitable sensitivities' discussed in another recent thread.
This also raises another issue - Islam and politics - and whether they can ever be mutually exclusive.?
In my opinion there shouldn't be these NGO-type religious factions within the Police, Armed forces, the NHS etc. By their very nature they are divisive.
There shouldn't be a Muslim PO Association, neither should there be a Christian Scientist Nursing Association, Jewish Armed Forces Association or a Jewish Medical Association...
Your duty in these professions should be to the profession itself and only to itself not one influenced by religious dogma. |  |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:25 - Jun 7 with 2261 views | Dr_Winston |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:13 - Jun 7 by Demitrius |
In any sane world that would happen as well as an investigation and a reminder sent to all PO's outlining their responsibility to police without prejudice. However this is C21st UK with its 'special treatment' and 'equitable sensitivities' discussed in another recent thread.
This also raises another issue - Islam and politics - and whether they can ever be mutually exclusive.?
In my opinion there shouldn't be these NGO-type religious factions within the Police, Armed forces, the NHS etc. By their very nature they are divisive.
There shouldn't be a Muslim PO Association, neither should there be a Christian Scientist Nursing Association, Jewish Armed Forces Association or a Jewish Medical Association...
Your duty in these professions should be to the profession itself and only to itself not one influenced by religious dogma. |
Apparently there's a debate going on now about NHS staff should be banned from wearing political items and my first thought was "They aren't already?"
I know I'm certainly not allowed to (not that I would anyway) and as Government employees the same should apply to them. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:59 - Jun 7 with 2217 views | onehunglow |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:13 - Jun 7 by Demitrius |
In any sane world that would happen as well as an investigation and a reminder sent to all PO's outlining their responsibility to police without prejudice. However this is C21st UK with its 'special treatment' and 'equitable sensitivities' discussed in another recent thread.
This also raises another issue - Islam and politics - and whether they can ever be mutually exclusive.?
In my opinion there shouldn't be these NGO-type religious factions within the Police, Armed forces, the NHS etc. By their very nature they are divisive.
There shouldn't be a Muslim PO Association, neither should there be a Christian Scientist Nursing Association, Jewish Armed Forces Association or a Jewish Medical Association...
Your duty in these professions should be to the profession itself and only to itself not one influenced by religious dogma. |
I once worked alongside one of the founders of the Black Police Association
We had a real good time at PF conferences
This is not a new phenomenon Dem as its genesis were the “ troubles” in the early 80s
Troubled times they have come to your home town |  |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 13:24 - Jun 7 with 2171 views | controversial_jack |
The IDF are terrorists. | | | |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 13:38 - Jun 7 with 2171 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 10:40 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group in the UK. Any serving police officer who has voiced any kind of support for them should be sacked. |
It's a breach of the terrorism act 2000, prosecutions should follow that overt support. |  |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 13:56 - Jun 7 with 2138 views | Demitrius |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:25 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
Apparently there's a debate going on now about NHS staff should be banned from wearing political items and my first thought was "They aren't already?"
I know I'm certainly not allowed to (not that I would anyway) and as Government employees the same should apply to them. |
Was discussing this in the pub on Wednesday - I'm told that seeing Free Palestine badges, stickers etc in hospitals clinics is a fairly commonplace thing - at least in London the SE where a significant number of staff are Muslim with many being of Middle East heritage. It's an employment area that attracts a lot of left leaning and SJ types as well so I can well believe it. Have to say I've spent an inordinate amount of time in hospitals these last 2 years and can't say that I've noticed but then again I wasn't really looking ....
However if my name was Cohen, Goldstein or Sachs and the clinician was wearing said items I might be a bit more concerned about the duty of care I was getting.
As I said there are certain areas of public life where politics and religion should not be at the forefront of everything - and yes obviously that doesn't mean not wearing Hijabs, Turbans and Yarmulkes to work as they would do everywhere else etc.... | |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 15:25 - Jun 7 with 2084 views | AnotherJohn |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 13:56 - Jun 7 by Demitrius |
Was discussing this in the pub on Wednesday - I'm told that seeing Free Palestine badges, stickers etc in hospitals clinics is a fairly commonplace thing - at least in London the SE where a significant number of staff are Muslim with many being of Middle East heritage. It's an employment area that attracts a lot of left leaning and SJ types as well so I can well believe it. Have to say I've spent an inordinate amount of time in hospitals these last 2 years and can't say that I've noticed but then again I wasn't really looking ....
However if my name was Cohen, Goldstein or Sachs and the clinician was wearing said items I might be a bit more concerned about the duty of care I was getting.
As I said there are certain areas of public life where politics and religion should not be at the forefront of everything - and yes obviously that doesn't mean not wearing Hijabs, Turbans and Yarmulkes to work as they would do everywhere else etc.... |
Probably we have things to learn from France when it comes to securing a secular state and public services. | | | |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 15:57 - Jun 7 with 2077 views | KeithHaynes |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 13:24 - Jun 7 by controversial_jack |
The IDF are terrorists. |
Not prescribed by the country you live in. Despite the govt disgusting policy and behaviour.
That is more than an opinion than a fact. |  |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 18:08 - Jun 7 with 2030 views | Demitrius |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 15:25 - Jun 7 by AnotherJohn |
Probably we have things to learn from France when it comes to securing a secular state and public services. |
A good point and well made.
Our unwritten "constitution" while serving us for nigh on 800 years is creaking at the seams and clarification is now required on specific points of law. | |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 18:46 - Jun 7 with 1996 views | Luther27 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 11:25 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
Apparently there's a debate going on now about NHS staff should be banned from wearing political items and my first thought was "They aren't already?"
I know I'm certainly not allowed to (not that I would anyway) and as Government employees the same should apply to them. |
Politics invaded sport a long time ago and we suffer from it today. It should not be allowed. The same applies to any public or private company. It permeates our life everywhere you look and is a cancer on our society.
People work to earn a living no matter if you’re a road sweeper or a company CEO. Your own political beliefs should be left outside of that enviroment and basically get on with it. Use the ballot box to voice your opinion not wearing a devisive badge or taking the knee. | | | |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 18:51 - Jun 7 with 1994 views | Dr_Winston |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 18:46 - Jun 7 by Luther27 |
Politics invaded sport a long time ago and we suffer from it today. It should not be allowed. The same applies to any public or private company. It permeates our life everywhere you look and is a cancer on our society.
People work to earn a living no matter if you’re a road sweeper or a company CEO. Your own political beliefs should be left outside of that enviroment and basically get on with it. Use the ballot box to voice your opinion not wearing a devisive badge or taking the knee. |
Private businesses, be they plumbing firms or football clubs should be allowed to do what they like within reason.
Government services should be utterly impartial. No particular heed should be paid to colour, faith or creed. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:09 - Jun 7 with 1984 views | Luther27 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 18:51 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
Private businesses, be they plumbing firms or football clubs should be allowed to do what they like within reason.
Government services should be utterly impartial. No particular heed should be paid to colour, faith or creed. |
No I disagree there. A public display of a political view should not be allowed when you’re at your place of work. It places a visual barrier between people of opposing views. | | | |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:25 - Jun 7 with 1969 views | Dr_Winston |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:09 - Jun 7 by Luther27 |
No I disagree there. A public display of a political view should not be allowed when you’re at your place of work. It places a visual barrier between people of opposing views. |
If a private company displays beliefs that you disagree with you can take your business elsewhere. That's rarely the case with a Government service. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:29 - Jun 7 with 1965 views | Luther27 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:25 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
If a private company displays beliefs that you disagree with you can take your business elsewhere. That's rarely the case with a Government service. |
I see where you’re coming from…but if a pipe burst in my house…and I’m a Jew and the emergency plumber wore a Support Palestine badge…what then? | | | |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:31 - Jun 7 with 1964 views | Dr_Winston |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:29 - Jun 7 by Luther27 |
I see where you’re coming from…but if a pipe burst in my house…and I’m a Jew and the emergency plumber wore a Support Palestine badge…what then? |
You're welcome to tell him to sod off and call another.
It's your choice whether or not your desire to get the leak fixed trumps your desire to have a Kosher plumber. It's not your choice whether or not the Nurse in your IC unit is wearing a Keffiyeh. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:38 - Jun 7 with 1949 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:31 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
You're welcome to tell him to sod off and call another.
It's your choice whether or not your desire to get the leak fixed trumps your desire to have a Kosher plumber. It's not your choice whether or not the Nurse in your IC unit is wearing a Keffiyeh. |
It's nice to know that we find ourselves in this country having to deal with the extremist sectarianism of Middle East in our everyday lives.
Something has gone horribly wrong. | |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:38 - Jun 7 with 1949 views | Luther27 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:31 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
You're welcome to tell him to sod off and call another.
It's your choice whether or not your desire to get the leak fixed trumps your desire to have a Kosher plumber. It's not your choice whether or not the Nurse in your IC unit is wearing a Keffiyeh. |
I wonder if the insurance company would understand the situation? These dramas….which is what they are…should not arise.
As for the NHS I thoroughly agree. The institution is there to treat people….full stop. | | | |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips (n/t) on 19:40 - Jun 7 with 1946 views | max936 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:38 - Jun 7 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's nice to know that we find ourselves in this country having to deal with the extremist sectarianism of Middle East in our everyday lives.
Something has gone horribly wrong. |
Can see it getting worse and much worse at that. [Post edited 7 Jun 19:41]
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:44 - Jun 7 with 1935 views | onehunglow |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 18:46 - Jun 7 by Luther27 |
Politics invaded sport a long time ago and we suffer from it today. It should not be allowed. The same applies to any public or private company. It permeates our life everywhere you look and is a cancer on our society.
People work to earn a living no matter if you’re a road sweeper or a company CEO. Your own political beliefs should be left outside of that enviroment and basically get on with it. Use the ballot box to voice your opinion not wearing a devisive badge or taking the knee. |
Apartheid , a classic conundrum | |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 20:09 - Jun 7 with 1922 views | Luther27 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:44 - Jun 7 by onehunglow |
Apartheid , a classic conundrum |
Peter Hain and nails on a rugby pitch spring to mind Rich.
Where are they now? | | | |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 20:10 - Jun 7 with 1922 views | Dr_Winston |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 19:38 - Jun 7 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's nice to know that we find ourselves in this country having to deal with the extremist sectarianism of Middle East in our everyday lives.
Something has gone horribly wrong. |
It's been tolerated for too long.
I've seen some of the video footage of 7/10 and I wish that I hadn't. I've seen photos of the aftermath of the Bataclan attack and wish that I hadn't.
Western Civilisation is dealing with a death cult happy to indulge in torture, abuse and murder, yet for some reason huge swathes of it are choosing to side with the perpetrators.
You can only assume that those in power who have indulged and in some cases encouraged this activity share similar opinions to those that they support. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 20:27 - Jun 7 with 1894 views | onehunglow |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 20:09 - Jun 7 by Luther27 |
Peter Hain and nails on a rugby pitch spring to mind Rich.
Where are they now? |
Were you there Luth
I was
Helluva day
Bokke supported apartheid all day long and always played victim
My least favourite people but I like Boerwurst | |
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| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 21:17 - Jun 7 with 1848 views | Luther27 |
| Another Controversial Subgroup's Mask Slips on 20:27 - Jun 7 by onehunglow |
Were you there Luth
I was
Helluva day
Bokke supported apartheid all day long and always played victim
My least favourite people but I like Boerwurst |
I’d trust them with my life….unlike Hain | | | |
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