| How easy is it to detect ... 22:20 - Jun 6 with 1888 views | Loyal |
A couple of jihadi's who decide to go on a stabbing frenzy after hiring a van and crashing it in to people.
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:27 - Jun 6 with 1380 views | Darran |
Quite easy if they've been reported several times I'd say. |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:39 - Jun 6 with 1355 views | Kilkennyjack |
If only we had another, say, 20,000 police officers to help prevent the attacks ...oh hang on ......?! |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:47 - Jun 6 with 1340 views | ploppy |
Very interesting analysis on Newsnight at the moment. |  | | |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:48 - Jun 6 with 1337 views | Highjack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:39 - Jun 6 by Kilkennyjack |
If only we had another, say, 20,000 police officers to help prevent the attacks ...oh hang on ......?! |
All that would achieve is 20000 extra police officers turning up eight minutes after the 999 call |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:49 - Jun 6 with 1332 views | perchrockjack |
Depends on what police are allowed to do.
They have to do something not just show the flag | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:52 - Jun 6 with 1318 views | NeathJack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:48 - Jun 6 by Highjack |
All that would achieve is 20000 extra police officers turning up eight minutes after the 999 call |
It's not about them reacting to something that has happened, it's about having the bodies on the street daily, with their ear to the ground and the trust that community policing can build up with local residents who then feel able to confide in someone they trust about concerns they may have. |  | | |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:02 - Jun 6 with 1280 views | Wingstandwood |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:49 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack |
Depends on what police are allowed to do.
They have to do something not just show the flag |
The police are severely restricted/hampered due to human rights laws, fears of being branded racist, an ever present threat of being sued and an insane legal/justice system that favours mass murderers/future mass murderers as opposed to victims.
The Omagh bombing is one stark example of the insanity of it all i.e. they know who they are and where they are but because the guilty (judged responsible in civil court) did not produce a video diary of their atrocity?....They walk free! Stark raving lunacy! |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:04 - Jun 6 with 1276 views | ploppy |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:52 - Jun 6 by NeathJack |
It's not about them reacting to something that has happened, it's about having the bodies on the street daily, with their ear to the ground and the trust that community policing can build up with local residents who then feel able to confide in someone they trust about concerns they may have. |
Unfortunately, the chap's neighbour who was being interviewed on TV yesterday said he had no inkling that he was about to do what he did. So if the local residents don't know how do you expect the community police to know? | | | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:05 - Jun 6 with 1264 views | Kilkennyjack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:48 - Jun 6 by Highjack |
All that would achieve is 20000 extra police officers turning up eight minutes after the 999 call |
Prevent see, thats why i said prevent. | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:14 - Jun 6 with 1232 views | Highjack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:05 - Jun 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Prevent see, thats why i said prevent. |
Ok then you'd have 20000 extra officers monitoring these people not being able to arrest them because current laws don't allow a conviction. | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:20 - Jun 6 with 1224 views | londonlisa2001 |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:52 - Jun 6 by NeathJack |
It's not about them reacting to something that has happened, it's about having the bodies on the street daily, with their ear to the ground and the trust that community policing can build up with local residents who then feel able to confide in someone they trust about concerns they may have. |
I understand that point completely, but in this situation, the men were reported.
It's not that concerns were not expressed, it was that, for whatever reason, possibly resourcing, they were not acted upon in the correct way.
Again, the cuts have adversely affected policing in all sorts of other ways. Petty crime as an example. I am against them but it's a different point. | | | |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:20 - Jun 6 with 1222 views | PozuelosSideys |
You cant. Unless you go around, arrest and lock up anyone and everyone who may have had some sort report made against them or heard of some whispers about them, then your hands are tied.
This thing about not having more coppers around is misleading and is a political tool as always. Of course it impacts everyday crime, but thats not what this is. |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:20 - Jun 6 with 1214 views | Kilkennyjack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:14 - Jun 6 by Highjack |
Ok then you'd have 20000 extra officers monitoring these people not being able to arrest them because current laws don't allow a conviction. |
Nope - thats why i said prevent see ... | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:35 - Jun 6 with 1185 views | PozuelosSideys |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 23:20 - Jun 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Nope - thats why i said prevent see ... |
Would it though? Say you added 20,000 coppers. Would they be used for this sort of crime? No. They would be used for all sorts of stuff (and rightly so) and not for "terrorism". Id argue the funding would be better spent on intelligence services if you wanted to stop "terrorism". Everyday cops wouldnt be able to do a great deal.
Think about it, operationally, to be 99% certain of stopping somebody committing this sort of offence you need eyes on them 24/7/365 and thats not including gathering enough evidence to get a prosecution. Thats 61,300 man hours every year - for one person - and they estimate there are 3,000 of these fckers.
If people want to make a noise about not having enough cops, great, go for it. But dont think it makes a difference for this sort of offence. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 23:36]
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 00:12 - Jun 7 with 1148 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:52 - Jun 6 by NeathJack |
It's not about them reacting to something that has happened, it's about having the bodies on the street daily, with their ear to the ground and the trust that community policing can build up with local residents who then feel able to confide in someone they trust about concerns they may have. |
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It's a massive point. |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 03:05 - Jun 7 with 1090 views | Loyal |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:27 - Jun 6 by Darran |
Quite easy if they've been reported several times I'd say. |
I'm not so sure,there are laws regards watching people and for how long, intercepting things like calls etc. And then if they do know who is being reported what if there is no legislation to cover it ?
Do you really belive it's easy to prevent someone stabbing someone else even if it's known they are a bit iffy ?
I've thought about it and think it's nigh in impossible regardless of what is known. | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 03:37 - Jun 7 with 1082 views | Lord_Bony |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 03:05 - Jun 7 by Loyal |
I'm not so sure,there are laws regards watching people and for how long, intercepting things like calls etc. And then if they do know who is being reported what if there is no legislation to cover it ?
Do you really belive it's easy to prevent someone stabbing someone else even if it's known they are a bit iffy ?
I've thought about it and think it's nigh in impossible regardless of what is known. |
There is absolutely nothing the police or security forces can do about it...no matter how much more robust we make their numbers.
It cannot be stopped,especially lone ðŸºwolf attacks.
It's some thing that is going to be on the increase unfortunately. ..a form of guerilla warfare on our streets. |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 05:49 - Jun 7 with 1049 views | Dr_Winston |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 22:52 - Jun 6 by NeathJack |
It's not about them reacting to something that has happened, it's about having the bodies on the street daily, with their ear to the ground and the trust that community policing can build up with local residents who then feel able to confide in someone they trust about concerns they may have. |
It's not really about that either.
The Police were well aware of both the Manchester and London attackers. They'd been reported by their local Muslim communities a number of times. There's very little that could have been done about either attack even with an extra 20,000 Police on the streets.
The questions raised are more about what we as a society are able to do with these people before they strike. What we do if we know someone is a jihadi shitbag but haven't done anything yet. What pre-emptive actions are the authorities prepared or able to take. That seems to me to be the problem. |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 08:53 - Jun 7 with 967 views | dailew |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 05:49 - Jun 7 by Dr_Winston |
It's not really about that either.
The Police were well aware of both the Manchester and London attackers. They'd been reported by their local Muslim communities a number of times. There's very little that could have been done about either attack even with an extra 20,000 Police on the streets.
The questions raised are more about what we as a society are able to do with these people before they strike. What we do if we know someone is a jihadi shitbag but haven't done anything yet. What pre-emptive actions are the authorities prepared or able to take. That seems to me to be the problem. |
Exactctly.
All Theresa wants to do is further erode our human rights.
"Theresa May: Human rights laws could change for terror fight"
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40181444
Corrected. The third attacker was on an "EU-wide database". FFS.
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:00 - Jun 7 with 947 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 08:53 - Jun 7 by dailew |
Exactctly.
All Theresa wants to do is further erode our human rights.
"Theresa May: Human rights laws could change for terror fight"
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40181444
Corrected. The third attacker was on an "EU-wide database". FFS.
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Because of HER f*ckup .
It seems that a few posters on here don't believe the terror experts and coppers who seem to be exactly of the opinion that a 20% reduction in police numbers made the prevention of the last 3 attacks far more difficult. Just saying. The government's silence tells me a ot, ie the were wrong and have no excuses. |  |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:03 - Jun 7 with 949 views | perchrockjack |
Our human rights are not greater than those who lost their lives
We react war
Human rights a luxury for lawyers to exploit .
People were concerned about Ian Brady s human rights
The bridge could have been lined with unarmed community police and they would have been killed themselves before armed colleagues turned up
If they were armed ,they d be shot on sight
At war we are | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:04 - Jun 7 with 949 views | felixstowe_jack |
It is our basic human right to be protected. Unfortunately the human rights business has been corrupted to protect criminals and terrorist. We find it impossible to deport foreign criminals and terrorists because of their human rights which the European Courts keep supporting. Our Parliament should make laws to protect our Country our Countries laws should be Supreme. | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:06 - Jun 7 with 942 views | perchrockjack |
Human rights act has cost many innocent lives
It's made millions for lawyers | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:16 - Jun 7 with 919 views | felixstowe_jack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 08:53 - Jun 7 by dailew |
Exactctly.
All Theresa wants to do is further erode our human rights.
"Theresa May: Human rights laws could change for terror fight"
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40181444
Corrected. The third attacker was on an "EU-wide database". FFS.
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The third attacker had an Italian passport as we are currently part of the EU he can just about walk past the immigration controls, on landing in this country, and just flash his passport. One we leave the EU he would have had to go through the other queue and have his passport fully checked.
The question to ask is how did he get out of Italy? If you fly you have to have your passport fully checked by the airline and then immigration control as you enter the departure lounge. It seems the Italians were happy to let him leave. | |
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| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:18 - Jun 7 with 911 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| How easy is it to detect ... on 09:06 - Jun 7 by perchrockjack |
Human rights act has cost many innocent lives
It's made millions for lawyers |
You and Felixstowe c*nt should be banned. Human Rights?? What a load of ah*t. Nothing to do with no police officers because the government sacked 23,000 of them to save money in order to give tax breaks to their rich friends (who then give nice big juicy backhanders to the Tory party.
And people go on about corruption in central and south America? They've got a lot to learn from our present government. | |
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