| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? 21:17 - Jan 30 with 1467 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Yet another racial incident relating to a Swansea player. Now up to five have been abused over the last 2-3 seasons.
https://www.skysports.com/foot
I put it to the forum that the widespread tolerance and indulgence of filthy anti Welsh slurs has led to the inevitable infiltration into the head of our younger and less intelligent fans. I contest this filth is in the same genre of moronic thinking.
They are not exactly the same admittedly but young folk have their on logic. I contest Swansea city fans are not "zero tolerant". I am not alone in being offended (probably more saddened in fact) .
Swansea players are more targeted than anyone else it seems to me and it is not a coincidence. |  |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:19 - Jan 30 with 1448 views | onehunglow |
Look at the WRU thread .
Ask yourself if the Welsh really are like that .
I recall much racism in Swansea and the valleys but mainly not to English people ,more colour of skin . |  |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:28 - Jan 30 with 1440 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:19 - Jan 30 by onehunglow |
Look at the WRU thread .
Ask yourself if the Welsh really are like that .
I recall much racism in Swansea and the valleys but mainly not to English people ,more colour of skin . |
I suspect the issue is with young fans in a 15 -23 age group perhaps. Not well travelled and who love bit of banter.
As a well travelled person I have difficulty in distinguishing morally between anti African and Anti Welsh slurs. If 5000 joyously sing "we know who were are" (zero tolerance is not for us) etc it is a small move to dish out abuse to player who is a 'person of colour'. | |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:31 - Jan 30 with 1431 views | Rhonnda_Jack |
I am disgusted at the vile racist bullshit 😤. I am a valleys man and I am embarrassed that this shit is still going on.
The taking the knee shit was embarrassing like the rainbow laces was also pointless. When we are following the Swans we are the Jack Army, there is no woke nonsense we are all behind the Swans 110%. Look at our team ,how do you think Ben Cabango feels about this? Or Naghton? This shit isn't gonna end through gimmick after gimmick. It will end when we all just accept racist behavior is Cardiff city behavior.
I was angry at obafemi, as we would be challenging for promotion if he had been professional. But now I just feel ashamed that we could do this to someone who scored against Cardiff. | | | |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:33 - Jan 30 with 1411 views | onehunglow |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:28 - Jan 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I suspect the issue is with young fans in a 15 -23 age group perhaps. Not well travelled and who love bit of banter.
As a well travelled person I have difficulty in distinguishing morally between anti African and Anti Welsh slurs. If 5000 joyously sing "we know who were are" (zero tolerance is not for us) etc it is a small move to dish out abuse to player who is a 'person of colour'. |
Res.
My first job was at abbey works .
I can remember the homophobic and racist verbiage .
Sadly this has been passed down the generations .
It’s basically backward behaviour.
Backwaters,rural areas are often more racist as fewer peop,e of colour settle there . | |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:34 - Jan 30 with 1417 views | Rhonnda_Jack |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:19 - Jan 30 by onehunglow |
Look at the WRU thread .
Ask yourself if the Welsh really are like that .
I recall much racism in Swansea and the valleys but mainly not to English people ,more colour of skin . |
Mate don't tar a full area because of a few idiots. It's as racist making out people are a certain way because of their post code. | | | |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:36 - Jan 30 with 1397 views | onehunglow |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:34 - Jan 30 by Rhonnda_Jack |
Mate don't tar a full area because of a few idiots. It's as racist making out people are a certain way because of their post code. |
Nobody is tarring anyone but merely stating fact.
Btw, when did Rhondda change its spelling | |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:35 - Jan 30 with 1280 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I make the point every time, but it’s not about tolerance, it’s about knowing the sensationalist times we live in and the sort of things people do in order to get attention or to get up someone’s nose.
To the vast majority of people it’s not even something they think about until racism is created out of thin air in front of them like “you can’t wear braids, that’s cultural appropriation”.
We live in the least racist time that has ever existed.
But due to social media, it’s very easy for people that way inclined to tap into the hot topic of the time and get their voice heard.
They know if they call him fat or childish or disabled or mentally unwell - or any other awful pejorative, nobody would care and the abuse would be ignored. So the use of racist language is always going to get your abuse noticed and heard, that’s of upmost importance to this generation where they live their lives in their own version of the Kardashians and judge their actions and validation by how many views or likes they get.
So while we may see more racist language in order to provoke a reaction, I think most people see it for what it is and it just becomes boring. It’s extremely likely whoever said a racist comment to him on social media would never utter such a thing in person, not through fear but simply because they don’t believe it.
When Rashford missed his penalty for England and there were reports of racist abuse online, it turned out that the bulk of those were coming from a group of Somalian kids’ accounts just doing it because they knew it would create a massive story. A bit like the modern day equivalent of hoax 999 calling and watching the fire engines come.
There is a difference between being a racist and using racist language. One is driven by a belief system, the other is done simply for attention. These days the latter is by far most common. |  |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:45 - Jan 30 with 1260 views | builthjack |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:33 - Jan 30 by onehunglow |
Res.
My first job was at abbey works .
I can remember the homophobic and racist verbiage .
Sadly this has been passed down the generations .
It’s basically backward behaviour.
Backwaters,rural areas are often more racist as fewer peop,e of colour settle there . |
I disagree. 20 years ago there was hardly anyone in my “Backwater” who were Black, Asian, or other. This has changed with lots now living here. I have never heard of anything racist said to, or about anyone. I think because it’s a low population “Backwater”, anyone caught making racist remarks would quickly get found out and punished accordingly. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:53 - Jan 30 with 1236 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:35 - Jan 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
I make the point every time, but it’s not about tolerance, it’s about knowing the sensationalist times we live in and the sort of things people do in order to get attention or to get up someone’s nose.
To the vast majority of people it’s not even something they think about until racism is created out of thin air in front of them like “you can’t wear braids, that’s cultural appropriation”.
We live in the least racist time that has ever existed.
But due to social media, it’s very easy for people that way inclined to tap into the hot topic of the time and get their voice heard.
They know if they call him fat or childish or disabled or mentally unwell - or any other awful pejorative, nobody would care and the abuse would be ignored. So the use of racist language is always going to get your abuse noticed and heard, that’s of upmost importance to this generation where they live their lives in their own version of the Kardashians and judge their actions and validation by how many views or likes they get.
So while we may see more racist language in order to provoke a reaction, I think most people see it for what it is and it just becomes boring. It’s extremely likely whoever said a racist comment to him on social media would never utter such a thing in person, not through fear but simply because they don’t believe it.
When Rashford missed his penalty for England and there were reports of racist abuse online, it turned out that the bulk of those were coming from a group of Somalian kids’ accounts just doing it because they knew it would create a massive story. A bit like the modern day equivalent of hoax 999 calling and watching the fire engines come.
There is a difference between being a racist and using racist language. One is driven by a belief system, the other is done simply for attention. These days the latter is by far most common. |
I’m afraid I disagree. ‘Im not racist it’s just words’ are the type of excuse people I prosecute use when being racist. If you use racist language, you’re a racist. I’ve seen how these people operate in the real world. No one who isn’t racist would use the N or P word in whatever format on social media or in person. It’s abhorrent. Any person associated with our club who uses such filth will properly get a visit from the police.
(If it was someone under 18 then some form of education is needed as opposed to
a life ban)
Racism is alive and well. Courts have many cases of racially aggravated offences. |  | | |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:53 - Jan 30 with 1236 views | Badlands |
Plenty of racist comments, some loud, heard in our area of the Lib. Stewards do nothing. When i comlained to the club their answer was to suggest I move seat. |  |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 23:06 - Jan 30 with 1196 views | Fireboy2 |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 21:31 - Jan 30 by Rhonnda_Jack |
I am disgusted at the vile racist bullshit 😤. I am a valleys man and I am embarrassed that this shit is still going on.
The taking the knee shit was embarrassing like the rainbow laces was also pointless. When we are following the Swans we are the Jack Army, there is no woke nonsense we are all behind the Swans 110%. Look at our team ,how do you think Ben Cabango feels about this? Or Naghton? This shit isn't gonna end through gimmick after gimmick. It will end when we all just accept racist behavior is Cardiff city behavior.
I was angry at obafemi, as we would be challenging for promotion if he had been professional. But now I just feel ashamed that we could do this to someone who scored against Cardiff. |
Do you know what woke actually means? |  | | |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 23:08 - Jan 30 with 1179 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:53 - Jan 30 by Sirjohnalot |
I’m afraid I disagree. ‘Im not racist it’s just words’ are the type of excuse people I prosecute use when being racist. If you use racist language, you’re a racist. I’ve seen how these people operate in the real world. No one who isn’t racist would use the N or P word in whatever format on social media or in person. It’s abhorrent. Any person associated with our club who uses such filth will properly get a visit from the police.
(If it was someone under 18 then some form of education is needed as opposed to
a life ban)
Racism is alive and well. Courts have many cases of racially aggravated offences. |
But that’s not true in the slightest is it.
I’m sure everyone at one stage in their life has used the word “gay” in a descriptive and possibly even derogatory way. It was one of the most popular words growing up. How many who have said it are ‘homophobic’?
Very few.
How many have used the term “gypo”? I seem to remember the whole north bank chanting it. That means everyone who used that term is a racist according to your view.
Yet I imagine very few are.
How many have called someone a fat bast*rd? Again I would imagine everyone, does that mean they hate larger people? Or do you think they used the point of difference to offend?
I think the latter is far more likely. Don’t you?
Being a racist I’m afraid is much more than saying a word, ask any American rapper you like. Context is important as well as motivation.
As for people being in court for being a racist…
You misunderstand what they are charged with then. It’s not illegal to be racist, they aren’t in court accused of being a racist… they will be in court for using racist language or doing something racially motivated.
So whether they are actually racist or not isn’t the charge. Acting upon whatever motivation by using racist language or actions will be the offence.
Having genuine racist incidents in court doesn’t mean every incident is genuine racism. Not sure what point you are making there.
Racism, and by that I mean real racism, is extremely rare.
I’ve lived in South Wales, London, Brisbane, Melbourne and New York. Racism is rare, using language to provoke a reaction however is not. [Post edited 30 Jan 2023 23:12]
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 23:43 - Jan 30 with 1141 views | STID2017 |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 22:53 - Jan 30 by Sirjohnalot |
I’m afraid I disagree. ‘Im not racist it’s just words’ are the type of excuse people I prosecute use when being racist. If you use racist language, you’re a racist. I’ve seen how these people operate in the real world. No one who isn’t racist would use the N or P word in whatever format on social media or in person. It’s abhorrent. Any person associated with our club who uses such filth will properly get a visit from the police.
(If it was someone under 18 then some form of education is needed as opposed to
a life ban)
Racism is alive and well. Courts have many cases of racially aggravated offences. |
Clearly Jon, there are many racists amongst us.
I find those who try to pretend that a person who uses racist words isn't in themselves a racist at best naive and at worst an apologist for racism in all forms.
In our multicultural society, treating any human being as anything other than a person in their own right, without slurring them in any way regarding their colour, creed, nationality, disability or way of life, is wholly unacceptable.
I trust your experience above certain others on here.
Edit: As I explained to you and Keith privately i am half Irish so if I were to cast any slur on the Irish I would be casting it upon myself ?
Just thought I should clarify that for anyone reading this thread and being misled by others [Post edited 31 Jan 2023 0:02]
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 00:43 - Jan 31 with 1021 views | STID2017 |
On the "Rating Swans Indie Posters" thread, I posted ( as a couple did ) " No comment ".
It means just that for clarification.
No racial slur was intended or given.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is just simply nonsense. | |
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| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 01:17 - Jan 31 with 999 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are Swansea fans more tolerant of racism? on 00:43 - Jan 31 by STID2017 |
On the "Rating Swans Indie Posters" thread, I posted ( as a couple did ) " No comment ".
It means just that for clarification.
No racial slur was intended or given.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is just simply nonsense. |
I’ve explained the comments above.
One was about Australians and the other about Gypsies. Both are officially recognised as slurs based on race and nationality.
And of course slurs made in order to provoke.
Not your finest hour my friend. Pick your trolling sessions wisely, the wrong subject will end up backfiring on you… like this. [Post edited 31 Jan 2023 1:22]
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