| What an absolute joke of a party 23:48 - Dec 10 with 2104 views | builthjack |
Three and a half years to do trade deals. Still nothing.
Absolutely pathetic, they really are.
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| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 00:28 - Dec 11 with 1627 views | Joe_bradshaw |
The day after the referendum the Conservative party had a 12 seat majority plus they could rely on 10 DUP and a handful of Labour brexiteers. Around a 50 seat majority.
The Conservative party had it in their hands to deliver the will of the people at that moment in time and they were charged by the electorate to deliver brexit.
They failed. |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 00:30 - Dec 11 with 1626 views | Joe_bradshaw |
If every Tory had voted for it along with the DUP it would have passed.
It takes a strange mind to conclude that it was Labour’s fault. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 00:46 - Dec 11 with 1620 views | DJack |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 00:30 - Dec 11 by Joe_bradshaw |
If every Tory had voted for it along with the DUP it would have passed.
It takes a strange mind to conclude that it was Labour’s fault. |
Yep, that's Dwight. |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 07:06 - Dec 11 with 1569 views | builthjack |
As I said, three and a half years and no deal. Their own mp's rejected it. Worst government ever. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 07:58 - Dec 11 with 1542 views | Highjack |
They’ve all behaved appallingly. On one hand we had May who was a staunch remainer pretending to want to leave and opposite her there was a lifelong brexiteer who has opposed everything to do with Europe for the best part of half a century pretending to be a seven out of ten remainer. It’s like something out of Monty python when you think about it. Neither were particularly convincing. May and Robbins attempts to leave but not really leave and stay as close to the EU as possible was never going to sit well with anybody.
Then you had the ludicrous situation of having a speaker regularly breaking precedent and centuries old tradition actively working for remain in return for likes on twitter and a future media career in America.
The liberal so called democrats trying to subvert or ignore democracy with their childish members like our next prime minister Jo Swinson.
All the party hopping, Change U.K. remember them? The people’s vote? We want the people to decide, as long as it’s not a by election or a general election. They’re all gone now because of a proper people’s vote. Tata Soubry you insufferable moanbag. Delicious irony.
As for labour a complete vacuum of any sort of policy on the biggest issue of the day hurt them more than any amount of rampant anti semitism ever could and they paid the price at the polls. |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 09:16 - Dec 11 with 1529 views | felixstowe_jack |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 07:06 - Dec 11 by builthjack |
As I said, three and a half years and no deal. Their own mp's rejected it. Worst government ever. |
The EU have had three years to agree a trade deal with a sovereign country but would rather punish a former partner than agree a trade deal with a country that has been a net contributor for over 50 years.
It shows the EU for what it is just like a scorned wife who wants all the money and the children.
We are better of without them. |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 10:16 - Dec 11 with 1519 views | Catullus |
As much of a twunt as Bojo is I entirely agree with him when he said no PM could ever accept some of the EU's demands.
As a fully sovereign country we could never submit to a foreign political organisation setting new rules and having the power to insist we take them on too.
Saying Bojo hasn't delivered a deal is only half frue because the EU hasn't either, no deal is bad for Europe too. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 11:53 - Dec 11 with 1497 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 10:16 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
As much of a twunt as Bojo is I entirely agree with him when he said no PM could ever accept some of the EU's demands.
As a fully sovereign country we could never submit to a foreign political organisation setting new rules and having the power to insist we take them on too.
Saying Bojo hasn't delivered a deal is only half frue because the EU hasn't either, no deal is bad for Europe too. |
The level playing field is a particular problem for Boris as you point out.
There’s a problem down the road though.
The United States requires enforceable provisions on labour and environmental provisions in its trade agreements as a matter of course. This stuff is what the experts call ‘normal’ when you negotiate trade deals with the big economic blocks.
Of course, Boris may consider agreeing to the United States’ conditions is more palatable than agreeing to the EU’s
It’s all politics at the end of the day but unfortunately livelihoods are at stake here. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:03 - Dec 11 with 1463 views | felixstowe_jack |
The EU definition of a level playing field is tilted 25 degrees to their favour. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:20 - Dec 11 with 1455 views | raynor94 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 10:16 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
As much of a twunt as Bojo is I entirely agree with him when he said no PM could ever accept some of the EU's demands.
As a fully sovereign country we could never submit to a foreign political organisation setting new rules and having the power to insist we take them on too.
Saying Bojo hasn't delivered a deal is only half frue because the EU hasn't either, no deal is bad for Europe too. |
Spot on post, this more to do with the vindictive scorned EU, they won't let us go.
I voted remain, but after seeing the shenanigans of the last 3 years, I can't wait for the 31st.
Deal or no Deal |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:35 - Dec 11 with 1439 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:03 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
The EU definition of a level playing field is tilted 25 degrees to their favour. |
What a surprise. So is the UK's.
A deal involves compromise on both sides. I still think a deal is there to be done if both sides can compromise and then sell it to their respective bodies. Maybe late on Sunday they will all accept that in fact, no deal is the worst scenario. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:37 - Dec 11 with 1438 views | londonlisa2001 |
That’s not a trade deal.
It’s the withdrawal agreement.
Which we have. It was agreed in January.
Exactly the same as May’s withdrawal agreement except rather than a backstop, it instead aligned NI permanently to the EU and shoved a border down the Irish Sea.
It beggars belief that some don’t understand these basics even at this stage. | | | |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:41 - Dec 11 with 1432 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 10:16 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
As much of a twunt as Bojo is I entirely agree with him when he said no PM could ever accept some of the EU's demands.
As a fully sovereign country we could never submit to a foreign political organisation setting new rules and having the power to insist we take them on too.
Saying Bojo hasn't delivered a deal is only half frue because the EU hasn't either, no deal is bad for Europe too. |
Lol.
Every single trade deal accepts that goods exported into that country have to comply with the rules of that country. It’s why the US currently can’t export their crappy food to us.
Breaking news - that’s what happens under WTO arrangements as well.
Given the EU accounts for 40% of our exports and we account for 8% of theirs, no deal is far worse for us than it is for them.
As some of us have been pointing out from the start. But, but, German car manufacturers... | | | |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:45 - Dec 11 with 1428 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:20 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Spot on post, this more to do with the vindictive scorned EU, they won't let us go.
I voted remain, but after seeing the shenanigans of the last 3 years, I can't wait for the 31st.
Deal or no Deal |
Nonsense.
They are insisting that we can’t both trade freely and undercut them due to lower standards. So if we deviate with lower standards they will impose tariffs in return to compensate. Same the other way round btw. With independent arbitration.
We want to trade freely and have no agreement over standards, allowing us to undercut their own businesses. It would be impossible for them to agree that. They have to protect their businesses same as we are supposed to protect ours,
Of course, the major Tory party funders have huge short positions so are relying on businesses here that rely on their EU business having a collapse. So that’s good news isn’t it? Some you win, some you lose... | | | |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 14:48 - Dec 11 with 1393 views | Highjack |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:35 - Dec 11 by Joe_bradshaw |
What a surprise. So is the UK's.
A deal involves compromise on both sides. I still think a deal is there to be done if both sides can compromise and then sell it to their respective bodies. Maybe late on Sunday they will all accept that in fact, no deal is the worst scenario. |
Either way being a negotiator isn’t a bad gig really is it? They all must be well paid, get free stays at top hotels, all expenses paid, banquets, feasts, and at the end of it they just say oh well we tried and bugger off back home again.
Sign me up. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 16:44 - Dec 11 with 1350 views | Catullus |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:41 - Dec 11 by londonlisa2001 |
Lol.
Every single trade deal accepts that goods exported into that country have to comply with the rules of that country. It’s why the US currently can’t export their crappy food to us.
Breaking news - that’s what happens under WTO arrangements as well.
Given the EU accounts for 40% of our exports and we account for 8% of theirs, no deal is far worse for us than it is for them.
As some of us have been pointing out from the start. But, but, German car manufacturers... |
https://commonslibrary.parliam
A trade deficit of 79 billion,
Main points:
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports).
The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 54% in 2002 to 43% in 2019.
The share of UK imports accounted for by the EU fell from 57% in 2006 to 52% in 2019.
The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods
Then there's this,
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk
Which shows the EU doesn't matter to us as much as it used to with that trend in trade continuing to decline. We are doing more and more business with the rest of the world.
Tell me, does 8% of the EU exports give a bigger or smaller number than 40% of Uk exports? | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 17:47 - Dec 11 with 1314 views | Gwyn737 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 16:44 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
https://commonslibrary.parliam
A trade deficit of 79 billion,
Main points:
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports).
The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 54% in 2002 to 43% in 2019.
The share of UK imports accounted for by the EU fell from 57% in 2006 to 52% in 2019.
The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods
Then there's this,
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk
Which shows the EU doesn't matter to us as much as it used to with that trend in trade continuing to decline. We are doing more and more business with the rest of the world.
Tell me, does 8% of the EU exports give a bigger or smaller number than 40% of Uk exports? |
Am I being daft or do those numbers just result in a £79 billion trade deficit?
Isn’t that the crux of it? | | | |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 17:52 - Dec 11 with 1312 views | johnlangy |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 16:44 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
https://commonslibrary.parliam
A trade deficit of 79 billion,
Main points:
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports).
The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 54% in 2002 to 43% in 2019.
The share of UK imports accounted for by the EU fell from 57% in 2006 to 52% in 2019.
The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods
Then there's this,
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk
Which shows the EU doesn't matter to us as much as it used to with that trend in trade continuing to decline. We are doing more and more business with the rest of the world.
Tell me, does 8% of the EU exports give a bigger or smaller number than 40% of Uk exports? |
I imagine Catullus that the point Lisa is making is that if the average EU country exports 8% of its exports to the UK while the UK exports 40% of its exports to the EU the EU countries could cope far easier with any problems that arise with their exports.
The fact that the total value of the EU exports to the UK is £79 billion more than their imports from the UK doesn't change that. | | | |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 19:45 - Dec 11 with 1275 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 16:44 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
https://commonslibrary.parliam
A trade deficit of 79 billion,
Main points:
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports).
The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 54% in 2002 to 43% in 2019.
The share of UK imports accounted for by the EU fell from 57% in 2006 to 52% in 2019.
The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods
Then there's this,
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk
Which shows the EU doesn't matter to us as much as it used to with that trend in trade continuing to decline. We are doing more and more business with the rest of the world.
Tell me, does 8% of the EU exports give a bigger or smaller number than 40% of Uk exports? |
I can’t believe anyone can’t see the issue.
Tell me. If you had total income of £20,000 and lost £8,000 of it and someone else had total income of £125,000 and lost £10,000 of it, which of you would notice the loss more?
They’ve lost £2,000 more than you have, but surely you realise the loss hits you far harder? | | | |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 19:48 - Dec 11 with 1273 views | Andy1300 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 09:16 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
The EU have had three years to agree a trade deal with a sovereign country but would rather punish a former partner than agree a trade deal with a country that has been a net contributor for over 50 years.
It shows the EU for what it is just like a scorned wife who wants all the money and the children.
We are better of without them. |
Spot on!
It takes both sides to agree a deal, the EU didn’t want to play ball. |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 20:46 - Dec 11 with 1247 views | builthjack |
You cant blame the EU. Those clowns pulled us out of Europe , then expected the same terms and conditions. The world does not work like that. Only a fool would think like that.
Think of it as you belonging to a club, paying your £100 a year. Then you dont pay it, but still expect to walk in through the door unchallenged. It wont happen.
Yet Cameron, May, Johnson etc expected it to. Fools. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 20:49 - Dec 11 with 1239 views | Andy1300 |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 20:46 - Dec 11 by builthjack |
You cant blame the EU. Those clowns pulled us out of Europe , then expected the same terms and conditions. The world does not work like that. Only a fool would think like that.
Think of it as you belonging to a club, paying your £100 a year. Then you dont pay it, but still expect to walk in through the door unchallenged. It wont happen.
Yet Cameron, May, Johnson etc expected it to. Fools. |
They offered a Canada style deal, they then pulled it off the table.
The EU are terrible, they are crapping it, they don’t want us to leave because they know it will empower other member states. | |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 20:53 - Dec 11 with 1235 views | Dr_Winston |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 13:20 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Spot on post, this more to do with the vindictive scorned EU, they won't let us go.
I voted remain, but after seeing the shenanigans of the last 3 years, I can't wait for the 31st.
Deal or no Deal |
It's more to do with the EU, or more likely the politicians driving the project, wanting to deter anyone else from leaving, which given the increasing scepticism towards it in countries like Italy, France and The Netherlands is a concern for them.
Their worst nightmare is a UK prosperous outside their control, so naturally they're doing what they can to prevent such an outcome. They probably won't have to work very hard to achieve it given the general haplessness of the current Government. |  |
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| What an absolute joke of a party on 21:04 - Dec 11 with 1221 views | Kilkennyjack |
| What an absolute joke of a party on 09:16 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
The EU have had three years to agree a trade deal with a sovereign country but would rather punish a former partner than agree a trade deal with a country that has been a net contributor for over 50 years.
It shows the EU for what it is just like a scorned wife who wants all the money and the children.
We are better of without them. |
No we are not. |  |
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