| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 08:05 - Sep 12 with 1124 views | SwansIndependent |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 09:34 - Sep 12 with 999 views | Chief |
"Swansea City played at pace and very direct at times"
Hmm. |  |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:02 - Sep 12 with 947 views | NotLoyal |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 09:34 - Sep 12 by Chief |
"Swansea City played at pace and very direct at times"
Hmm. |
Compared to Cooper it was much better. Much quicker. |  |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:27 - Sep 12 with 911 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 09:34 - Sep 12 by Chief |
"Swansea City played at pace and very direct at times"
Hmm. |
Was very ponder-some, agreed.
Important to remember this was one of the worst sides in the league and we have spent more in this season than any other Championship season in our history and twice as much already as the last two seasons combined.
There is absolutely no reason we shouldn’t be getting results. Imperfect performances I can deal with, results however are vital for many reasons and we should be able to put some wins on the board even at this stage, as all other managers have managed to do for the last quarter of a century. |  |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:32 - Sep 12 with 903 views | Chief |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:02 - Sep 12 by NotLoyal |
Compared to Cooper it was much better. Much quicker. |
Depends how you define 'better'. Better passing numbers for sure. Less of the ball in the air, indeed. Success and scoring goals, no.
Not entirely what this has to do with former managers though, don't think any were mentioned in the article. Don't think it was designed as a comparative piece was it?
Quicker in what sense? I'd say something we are badly lacking is pace, we didn't manage to get in behind them once. There was a lot of ponderous passing, but was it quicker? Not really. | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:35 - Sep 12 with 890 views | KeithHaynes |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:27 - Sep 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Was very ponder-some, agreed.
Important to remember this was one of the worst sides in the league and we have spent more in this season than any other Championship season in our history and twice as much already as the last two seasons combined.
There is absolutely no reason we shouldn’t be getting results. Imperfect performances I can deal with, results however are vital for many reasons and we should be able to put some wins on the board even at this stage, as all other managers have managed to do for the last quarter of a century. |
It seems as it stands results are coming second to the performance for RM. |  |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:39 - Sep 12 with 882 views | Dr_Winston |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:35 - Sep 12 by KeithHaynes |
It seems as it stands results are coming second to the performance for RM. |
If performances are consistently good, results will eventually follow. If performances are bad, disappointment is inevitable.
Trying to do the former seems to be the way we're going about our business. |  |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:44 - Sep 12 with 867 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:35 - Sep 12 by KeithHaynes |
It seems as it stands results are coming second to the performance for RM. |
Agreed, for me that is the concern.
He has often said our performances were excellent or outstanding and we can’t seem to win. Results and good performances should really go hand in hand on the whole, so the fact they aren’t is a cause for concern.
Ironically the only game we have won in the league, he complained that we moved away from his instructions.
I don’t see any reason why we can’t be playing sufficiently well to win games with this squad. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 10:48]
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 11:00 - Sep 12 with 836 views | KeithHaynes |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:39 - Sep 12 by Dr_Winston |
If performances are consistently good, results will eventually follow. If performances are bad, disappointment is inevitable.
Trying to do the former seems to be the way we're going about our business. |
Good enough for me | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 11:22 - Sep 12 with 789 views | onehunglow |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:35 - Sep 12 by KeithHaynes |
It seems as it stands results are coming second to the performance for RM. |
Yep and reason why Im not impressed by him.He clearly has a giant sized ego which is misplaced.
He is willing to massage his own ego at our club's expense.
We were no "better" at all and we are looking for excuses | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 18:28 - Sep 12 with 657 views | Catullus |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 10:32 - Sep 12 by Chief |
Depends how you define 'better'. Better passing numbers for sure. Less of the ball in the air, indeed. Success and scoring goals, no.
Not entirely what this has to do with former managers though, don't think any were mentioned in the article. Don't think it was designed as a comparative piece was it?
Quicker in what sense? I'd say something we are badly lacking is pace, we didn't manage to get in behind them once. There was a lot of ponderous passing, but was it quicker? Not really. |
Actually we got in behind them a couple of times but out wide and we didn't/couldn't get decent crosses in. Even then, we got a couple of decent crosses in when there was nobody there!
OHL, saying it wasn't "better" is just plain wrong. We deserved to win that game, we were by far the better team.
We had 16 shots at goal to start with, under Cooper at times we struggled to get 3/4 shots in. Our passing also deteriorated under Cooper.
If the referee hadn't been so poor things could easily have been different, there was a nailed on penalty, if we'd gotten that first goal the game would have been very different. Hull were forced back and settled for just holding out for a draw. If they'd had to come out at us it would have gone very differently. Even then, they got away with several fouls, things that Stroud kept pulling us for. They also showed a penchant for going down and claiming injury to disrupt the game, there was one very promising attack they stopped by a player going down claiming a head injury but surprise, surprise, as soon as play stopped and the ref went over he was up and about. Stroud kept falling for it though. | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 19:12 - Sep 12 with 619 views | Chief |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 18:28 - Sep 12 by Catullus |
Actually we got in behind them a couple of times but out wide and we didn't/couldn't get decent crosses in. Even then, we got a couple of decent crosses in when there was nobody there!
OHL, saying it wasn't "better" is just plain wrong. We deserved to win that game, we were by far the better team.
We had 16 shots at goal to start with, under Cooper at times we struggled to get 3/4 shots in. Our passing also deteriorated under Cooper.
If the referee hadn't been so poor things could easily have been different, there was a nailed on penalty, if we'd gotten that first goal the game would have been very different. Hull were forced back and settled for just holding out for a draw. If they'd had to come out at us it would have gone very differently. Even then, they got away with several fouls, things that Stroud kept pulling us for. They also showed a penchant for going down and claiming injury to disrupt the game, there was one very promising attack they stopped by a player going down claiming a head injury but surprise, surprise, as soon as play stopped and the ref went over he was up and about. Stroud kept falling for it though. |
Yea I know what you mean, they were mainly weighted balls that either ran out of play or had to be hit first time into the box before they went out of play so there was no accuracy. But I wouldn't really class that as having got behind them. Not as if they were through balls or whoever crossed them had time to really pick anyone out.
The ref was terrible, but with the domination and the opposition, we could have taken it out of the refs hand but we were mainly restricted to long shots. | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 20:13 - Sep 12 with 578 views | Boundy |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 19:12 - Sep 12 by Chief |
Yea I know what you mean, they were mainly weighted balls that either ran out of play or had to be hit first time into the box before they went out of play so there was no accuracy. But I wouldn't really class that as having got behind them. Not as if they were through balls or whoever crossed them had time to really pick anyone out.
The ref was terrible, but with the domination and the opposition, we could have taken it out of the refs hand but we were mainly restricted to long shots. |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 20:56 - Sep 12 with 551 views | Fireboy2 |
Jeez, how the hell didn't we win that game by at least two.
And more to the point how the hell are people moaning about our performance after watching that? I can tell by just watching the highlights that it was a damn sight better than the last league game. |  | | |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 21:34 - Sep 12 with 531 views | Chief |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 20:56 - Sep 12 by Fireboy2 |
Jeez, how the hell didn't we win that game by at least two.
And more to the point how the hell are people moaning about our performance after watching that? I can tell by just watching the highlights that it was a damn sight better than the last league game. |
Well I'd say we didn't win it by at least 2 because despite all our possession and ridiculous passing numbers we didn't create many clear cut chances. We were restricted to speculative shots (our shooting was encouraging) from outside the box which apart from Grimes' free kick were pretty standard saves from their keeper.
Agreed that we were more composed than in the Preston game, but I would caution that Hull were extremely conservative and not a good team. | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 21:36 - Sep 12 with 529 views | KeithHaynes |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 21:34 - Sep 12 by Chief |
Well I'd say we didn't win it by at least 2 because despite all our possession and ridiculous passing numbers we didn't create many clear cut chances. We were restricted to speculative shots (our shooting was encouraging) from outside the box which apart from Grimes' free kick were pretty standard saves from their keeper.
Agreed that we were more composed than in the Preston game, but I would caution that Hull were extremely conservative and not a good team. |
On another day, maybe Wednesday. | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 22:51 - Sep 12 with 487 views | Chief |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 21:36 - Sep 12 by KeithHaynes |
On another day, maybe Wednesday. |
Well you'd hope so. Certainly another game against a non contender for promotion. | |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 07:23 - Sep 13 with 434 views | ItchySphincter |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 11:22 - Sep 12 by onehunglow |
Yep and reason why Im not impressed by him.He clearly has a giant sized ego which is misplaced.
He is willing to massage his own ego at our club's expense.
We were no "better" at all and we are looking for excuses |
Goals aside we were much improved. There’s a bit of hyperbole around the Hull match - you’d almost think we’ve never had a nil-all at home before.
If that performance had contained a couple of goals for us people would have been purring over it.
I’m a bit surprised by the lack of patience tbh. We knew the wheels had fallen off under Cooper and that this season was going to be a reset after losing a few important players and trying to implement a different mindset on the pitch. The advantage we had during Covid where a lot of championship clubs appeared to batten down the hatches and go in to survival mode is over. It is a more level playing field this year.
I’m pretty sure it that if the players feel the fans in the stand are with them as they persevere with what they are trying to do the positive results will follow. |  |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 08:02 - Sep 13 with 424 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 07:23 - Sep 13 by ItchySphincter |
Goals aside we were much improved. There’s a bit of hyperbole around the Hull match - you’d almost think we’ve never had a nil-all at home before.
If that performance had contained a couple of goals for us people would have been purring over it.
I’m a bit surprised by the lack of patience tbh. We knew the wheels had fallen off under Cooper and that this season was going to be a reset after losing a few important players and trying to implement a different mindset on the pitch. The advantage we had during Covid where a lot of championship clubs appeared to batten down the hatches and go in to survival mode is over. It is a more level playing field this year.
I’m pretty sure it that if the players feel the fans in the stand are with them as they persevere with what they are trying to do the positive results will follow. |
Martin faces a few issues.
1) His CV is not very good and he is not very experienced. So promises that it will get better are hard to take on board when we have been successful for a long time and no other manager that has managed us has needed such a time cushion. Taking MK Dons to 13th in League 1 is the pinnacle of his career thus far.
2) A follow on from the above - No other Swans manager has needed months to change a style and simultaneously bring about acceptable results. Nobody is asking for perfection, but there is no real reason we shouldn't be able to win league games (plural) with this team and the investment gone into it.
3) Yes we lost 2 key players in the summer, but we always have lost key players, its nothing new. When we were without them we coped perfectly well last season and the season prior. What we have lost we have invested heavily to replace. Ntcham, Laird, Piroe, Downes, Williams and Obafemi look a stronger incoming collective unit.
4) The financial commitment to this season is second only to our relegation from the Premier League season in terms of transfer fees spent in the football league, that's throughout our history of course..
5) People get bogged down in the ''changing the style'' narrative. 7 of the 11 in the last match didn't play under Cooper. There isn't much to the argument of ''change'' anymore. Its essentially a new man with his own new players, Laird of course someone who worked at MK with him last year.
6) The only league game we have won this year, he criticised the players for going rogue tactically. Meaning we are yet to win a single league game when following his instructions.
At what point does a new manager start to get questioned over results? 2 months? 3 months? We gave Bob Bradley 85 days, and started questioning things an awful long time before that.
Forget about the style change because this is a new team, its a fallacy. I would bet anything that if there wasn't such an online campaign against the previous manager, questions would naturally already be asked the site over. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 8:14]
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 08:02 - Sep 13 with 425 views | Dr_Winston |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 07:23 - Sep 13 by ItchySphincter |
Goals aside we were much improved. There’s a bit of hyperbole around the Hull match - you’d almost think we’ve never had a nil-all at home before.
If that performance had contained a couple of goals for us people would have been purring over it.
I’m a bit surprised by the lack of patience tbh. We knew the wheels had fallen off under Cooper and that this season was going to be a reset after losing a few important players and trying to implement a different mindset on the pitch. The advantage we had during Covid where a lot of championship clubs appeared to batten down the hatches and go in to survival mode is over. It is a more level playing field this year.
I’m pretty sure it that if the players feel the fans in the stand are with them as they persevere with what they are trying to do the positive results will follow. |
You just need to look at who is being impatient and all will become clear. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 08:05 - Sep 13 with 421 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Hull City keeper and the match day referee determine the result : Swansea City 0 on 08:02 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
You just need to look at who is being impatient and all will become clear. |
And of course all becomes clear by looking at the ones that seem to have invented the notion that suddenly months and even years is normal to give a manager who isn't getting results....
4 transfer windows one person said. Yes, FOUR. Longer than the average COMPLETE lifespan of a Swansea manager over the last quarter of a century.
That's the level of nonsense at the moment. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 8:07]
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